Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[LukasBMW]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hbp3jd3

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[TOO]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hbp3jd3

One of my favorite deals. Vucevic fits the age range of the team, and doesnt just clog the paint on offense. Underrated to me.

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[LukasBMW]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hbp3jd3

One of my favorite deals. Vucevic fits the age range of the team, and doesnt just clog the paint on offense. Underrated to me.

Vucevic is the player I think we all hoped Len would turn into (faceup game, post game, pick and pop range) and it just hasn't happened.

[Saberestar]

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Phoenix Suns have veteran players in PJ Tucker, in Tyson Chandler and in Brandon Knight, who they have been shopping around the league, trying to find a way to get them off to bring in more picks or another young player.

[Sunsdeuce]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

[suns91fan]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

I hope you watched the Houston game. That's enough proof for me to see how much worse this team is without Bledsoe. Without him, this team is probably Nets-level bad right now. If you want to blame someone/something for lack of wins, blame team's overall defense.

[Sunsdeuce]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

I hope you watched the Houston game. That's enough proof for me to see how much worse this team is without Bledsoe. Without him, this team is probably Nets-level bad right now. If you want to blame someone/something for lack of wins, blame team's overall defense.

I see you have one game to back up your argument. The one game Bledsoe conveniently sat out of. Sat out of a game featuring the possible current MVP of the league. Sat out of the game featuring one of (if not) the best offenses of the league. Sat out of a game featuring a far superior coach than the current Suns coach. Sat out of a game that in every single phase of the game the Suns were destroyed and you think (with no evidence to back up your claim) that Bledsoe would have made a difference.



I got three seasons to back up my argument. More evidence than I possibly need. Not only have the Suns not gotten better during Bledsoe's years, than have gotten worse. The Suns records do not support your argument.


Oh and FYI, we are Nets level bad. They are the ONLY team worse than us. They currently hold the worst record in the east and worst record overall. Suns currently own the worst record in the west and second worst record overall.

[Fo-Real]

I'm anti trade Bledsoe at this point unless you get a can't refuse offer. Trade him because long term we are better without him can apply to anyone with the right spin and not considering past injury or actual development and VICE VERSA. Bled was good, and is getting BETTER and farther away from his last knee surgery (healthier). Let it ride until otherwise.

[suns91fan]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

I hope you watched the Houston game. That's enough proof for me to see how much worse this team is without Bledsoe. Without him, this team is probably Nets-level bad right now. If you want to blame someone/something for lack of wins, blame team's overall defense.

I see you have one game to back up your argument. The one game Bledsoe conveniently sat out of. Sat out of a game featuring the possible current MVP of the league. Sat out of the game featuring one of (if not) the best offenses of the league. Sat out of a game featuring a far superior coach than the current Suns coach. Sat out of a game that in every single phase of the game the Suns were destroyed and you think (with no evidence to back up your claim) that Bledsoe would have made a difference.



I got three seasons to back up my argument. More evidence than I possibly need. Not only have the Suns not gotten better during Bledsoe's years, than have gotten worse. The Suns records do not support your argument.

Since when are players the ones deciding if they'll play or not. It was Watson's decision. If you watched the team last three seasons, you would know, that the team had far more good players in the first year (Dragic, Thomas, Bledsoe, Morris...), and far more young players right now. I mean, do you expect a team starting 19-year old Chriss to be better than a team starting a 25-year old Morris? It has nothing to do with Bledsoe.

[bhawk]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

Good post and I agree for the most part. Bledsoe is youngish and has improved as of late... but we've seen this before. He is not consistent and can easily disappear for stretches of a season. To me it is about choice.

One choice is build around Bledsoe.
One choice is to build around a top 3 guard in this years draft.

My preference is to build around a new top 3 guard. Consider that this guard class is the best in the last five years and maybe even 6 years looking forward to the 2018 draft. So gimme some Fultz, Ball or Smith.

Since we will have to "out-tank" LA and Orlando to secure one of these franchise changing guards, there is no better time to trade Bledsoe OR shut him down somehow... We. Have. To. Tank.

[Sunsdeuce]

I'm anti trade Bledsoe at this point unless you get a can't refuse offer. Trade him because long term we are better without him can apply to anyone with the right spin and not considering past injury or actual development and VICE VERSA. Bled was good, and is getting BETTER and farther away from his last knee surgery (healthier). Let it ride until otherwise.

No spin needed. Records prove the Suns are bad with OR without hm. More bad with him though.

2014: 39-43
2015: 23-59
2016-current: 18-39


You can say the Suns were horrible when Nash was out and stats and record price your right. You can argue the Suns don't go to the finals without Sir Charles.

You cant argue the Suns are worse Without Bledsoe. Stats and records support the team is neither worse nor better without Bledsoe. Records and stats support that this team is bad with or without Bledsoe. I.E. Stat stuffer.

The record and stats prove your argument obsolete.

[bhawk]

Also from the link posted by Saberestar.

McD said:

Tyler Ulis I think will play more minutes after the trade deadline.

Ding ding ding! See you later Knight... or we're embracing the tank. Either way, that's a WIN!

Very, VERY encouraged by this McD comment. Reading into the comment, it seems like he is advocating for development and tanking for the remainder of the season. McD and Sarver understand that the talent in the 2017 draft is better than it has been in the last 4-5 drafts... especially at guard.

[Sunsdeuce]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

Good post and I agree for the most part. Bledsoe is youngish and has improved as of late... but we've seen this before. He is not consistent and can easily disappear for stretches of a season. To me it is about choice.

One choice is build around Bledsoe.
One choice is to build around a top 3 guard in this years draft.

My preference is to build around a new top 3 guard. Consider that this guard class is the best in the last five years and maybe even 6 years looking forward to the 2018 draft. So gimme some Fultz, Ball or Smith.

Since we will have to "out-tank" LA and Orlando to secure one of these franchise changing guards, there is no better time to trade Bledsoe OR shut him down somehow... We. Have. To. Tank.

Bingo!!! You nailed it. One last point.

1)Boston could possibly get the first pick in the draft.

2) Boston currently fields an All-Star PG.

3) If Boston selects first or second in the draft they WILL take Ball or Fultz. Even with IT Boston, wouldn't even hesitate a second to select one of those two. It's called getting better.

4) IT (who is currently playing waaayyy better than Bledose) will be and will have to be moved.


Point is, this draft has better PGs than the Suns currently have and with the Suns record, they will most likely be available for the Suns to take. And leave no doubt....The Suns WILL take Fultz or Ball if they have a chance.

So what do you do with Bledose then?

[bhawk]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

Good post and I agree for the most part. Bledsoe is youngish and has improved as of late... but we've seen this before. He is not consistent and can easily disappear for stretches of a season. To me it is about choice.

One choice is build around Bledsoe.
One choice is to build around a top 3 guard in this years draft.

My preference is to build around a new top 3 guard. Consider that this guard class is the best in the last five years and maybe even 6 years looking forward to the 2018 draft. So gimme some Fultz, Ball or Smith.

Since we will have to "out-tank" LA and Orlando to secure one of these franchise changing guards, there is no better time to trade Bledsoe OR shut him down somehow... We. Have. To. Tank.

Bingo!!! You nailed it. One last point.

1)Boston could possibly get the first pick in the draft.

2) Boston currently fields an All-Star PG.

3) If Boston selects first or second in the draft they WILL take Ball or Fultz.

4) IT currently playing waaayyy better than Bledose will and will have to be moved.


Point is, this draft has better PGs than the Suns currently have and with the Suns record, they will most likely be available for the Suns to take. And leave no doubt....The Suns WILL take Fultz or Ball if they have a chance.

So what do you do with Bledose then?

Boston can't let IT go... he has become... dare I say... iconic. He is selling tickets and is in MVP discussions. The guy doesn't miss. I would hate to be Ainge, because IT if forcing his hand. Should be an interesting off-season in Boston. Also consider that they have Smart and Avery Bradley. It is not written in stone that Boston drafts Ball or Fultz.

[NaturalBuns]

I'm anti trade Bledsoe at this point unless you get a can't refuse offer. Trade him because long term we are better without him can apply to anyone with the right spin and not considering past injury or actual development and VICE VERSA. Bled was good, and is getting BETTER and farther away from his last knee surgery (healthier). Let it ride until otherwise.

No spin needed. Records prove the Suns are bad with OR without hm. More bad with him though.

2014: 39-43
2015: 23-59
2016-current: 18-39


You can say the Suns were horrible when Nash was out and stats and record price your right. You can argue the Suns don't go to the finals without Sir Charles.

You cant argue the Suns are worse Without Bledsoe. Stats and records support the team is neither worse nor better without Bledsoe. Records and stats support that this team is bad with or without Bledsoe. I.E. Stat stuffer.

The record and stats prove your argument obsolete.

I think you have to take 2015,2016 with a grain of salt. 2015 this team was dis functional. 2016 is just a bunch of kids running around developing. Nobody is calling him a superstar. The whole "good players figure it out" I don't buy that either.

Love, Cousins, AD, Melo, Kyrie, Lillard just a few who are or at one point were stars. Who couldn't carry either and played at a higher level than Bledsoe himself. All the reasons why they got traded wasn't because they couldn't get it done. Everyone was different Melo wanted out, Love wasn't going to resign etc etc. Kyrie just couldn't get it done till bron, AD is injury prone and Cousins case is weird.

I do agree with his knees I don't find that a reason to ship him though Amare had bad injuries and still balled out throughout his tendure in phx. Bledsoe just needs some talent around him your right he's not THAT guy but in retrospect maybe 3-4 players in the entire league are so..

[WeekapaugGroove]

I just dont see how a Pacers trade could work without a 3rd team.

We want a 1st for Tucker. He could help them, but i dont think its enough in the Pacers mind. So now you are adding a 2nd a player (Barbosa or whatnot). Now we are no longer getting the 1st we want for Tucker, we are undercutting the value on him that we have set. You also have to match the salary's, so we would have to take on somebody, and more than likely they wont be any good. All this for a 1st thats currently projected to be the 18th pick, but could be even worse if the Pacers do get the help that they need and start winning more games.

So does Tucker/Barbosa for a late 1st/crap player of matching salary seem like a good deal? Not really in my eyes, so now im looking for that 3rd team to come in and make it right for all sides.

Come on dude do you really think adding barbosa makes that a bad deal? The suns would be insane not to do that. Barbosa isnt some valuable asset; in fact im not sure he fetches a 2nd rounder in a trade. Crazy

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[WeekapaugGroove]

McD's comment about taking on some salary is interesting. Trying to think of what deals could be out there.

Portland probably wants to shed some salary and ezeli is a possibility. I wonder if the suns would consider crabbe. Sure hes overpaid but money really isn't a problem for the suns and hes young enough to fit the window the suns are targeting. He would provide some shooting from the wing.

Toronto is another team that could look to move salary now to prevent a giant tax bill once they reup lowery and ibaka. Carroll could be the guy they look to move but tricky part is they are trying to win this year so they would need to replace him in the rotation. Maybe tucker for him would make sense but i dont see the suns doing it without getting another asset and im not sure the Raptors would part with a 1st to do that. They might just wait and try to move him this summer.

Boston might want to move a guy like amir to try to get more cap space this summer and they have a bunch of minor assets they could attach to get that done. But again they might just wait until this summer to make that move.

Cant think of many others who are desperate to move salary but im sure theres a team or two im missing.

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[thamadkant]

Haven't posted in a long time. Been lurking. Wanted to comment on Bledsoe.

I think we will do this team injustice (long term if Bledsoe is not traded).

Multiple reasons for this.

1) Bledsoe is simply not a winner. During the last three (3) years in which Bledsoe has be "the Man," Suns have the worse three seasons in the history of the Suns. Too many excuses for Bledsoe not being a winner. Bottomline good players figure out how to win with what they have while losers whine about what they don't have. Unless your GS, Spurs, or Cleveland, every team doesn't have the players it needs to win games. So the excuse Bledose doesn't have help is obsolete.

2) The Stat Stuffer argument. Someone here once called Kevin Love a stat stuffer. Its been a while since I have seen a player with inflated MEANINGLESS stats that have no affect on the outcome of games and improving players around him. Essentially that's currently Bledsoe in a nutshell. Great numbers, zero effect on the game itself.

3) Knees. Three surgeries on (Two so far during his time with the Suns). I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping those knees hold up. Also wouldn't be a smart bet to on them holding up. Just saying.

4) There are franchise changing PGs in this draft. On top of that this draft is considered one of the better ones in recent years.

5) Bledsoe's stock will not get higher than it is right now. Remember the argument waiting to long to trade Nash. If the Suns wait too long on making a decision on Bledsoe, odds are it will not end well for the Suns.

6) Bledsoe is simply not a leader. Let's be real, no player looks at Bledsoe as a leader. Yeah Bledsoe works hard and all that but no player says, "that's our leader," about Bledsoe. Arguments can be made that Booker has become more of a leader than Bledsoe currently is. Using the argument "Bledsoe is a leader by example," is great in horseshoes and hand grenades. This team needs a leader, not just by example, but it needs that emotional Leader.

I understand some people like Bledsoe. Nothing wrong with that. When it becomes wrong is thinking he is the long term solution at PG. This team will not get back to winning until the PG position is upgraded. It's been proven three (3) plus seasons now that he can NOT improve this team.


Anyway, have a good week.

Good post and I agree for the most part. Bledsoe is youngish and has improved as of late... but we've seen this before. He is not consistent and can easily disappear for stretches of a season. To me it is about choice.

One choice is build around Bledsoe.
One choice is to build around a top 3 guard in this years draft.

My preference is to build around a new top 3 guard. Consider that this guard class is the best in the last five years and maybe even 6 years looking forward to the 2018 draft. So gimme some Fultz, Ball or Smith.

Since we will have to "out-tank" LA and Orlando to secure one of these franchise changing guards, there is no better time to trade Bledsoe OR shut him down somehow... We. Have. To. Tank.

Bingo!!! You nailed it. One last point.

1)Boston could possibly get the first pick in the draft.

2) Boston currently fields an All-Star PG.

3) If Boston selects first or second in the draft they WILL take Ball or Fultz. Even with IT Boston, wouldn't even hesitate a second to select one of those two. It's called getting better.

4) IT (who is currently playing waaayyy better than Bledose) will be and will have to be moved.


Point is, this draft has better PGs than the Suns currently have and with the Suns record, they will most likely be available for the Suns to take. And leave no doubt....The Suns WILL take Fultz or Ball if they have a chance.

So what do you do with Bledose then?

Why would Celtics move a young PG putting up 30 and 7 a game with the skill sets perfect for today's perimeter oriented game?


He is a huge fan favourite too.... And an MVP candidate.


Why?

Thomas is a keeper.

If anything it means Celtics will look at Ball... Because Ball helps fix the short back court issue.
Also Josh Jackson would still be a consideration for their first pick... Move Jaylen Brown for abother lotteryvpick perhaps.