Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The whole point of my hypothetical - would you rather have the Nets pick or Kyrie Irving? - was to demonstrate that if IT is damaged goods, the Cavs should simply keep what they received from BOS and trade the Nets pick to us for Bledsoe. Or something like that.

[Saberestar]

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Good to know that Ulis and Chriss are playing ball already.

[DirtyDez]

I'd like this deal to get voided whether the Suns are involved or not. Ainge would never deal the Brooklyn pick for Bledsoe but he'd get desperate since IT may be out 6+ months reportedly (and he'd be incredibly resentful). I'd take the Laker pick in a second even though it would hurt the improved chemistry.

If the two sides don't agree on a deal by 10am eastern time tomorrow they can still extend the deadline by a week according to Woj. That's the likely outcome given both GM's seem too stubborn to "cave".

[Saberestar]

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Interesting read.

[lilfishi22]

That's crazy...Now that the trade is 90% done with Celtics why is Jackson all of a sudden involved in some deal for Kyrie? It was always Bledsoe, Chriss/Warren and 1st. At this point, I wouldn't even do Bledsoe and 1st (heavily protected). Kyrie seems happy in Boston (supposedly very open to resigning with BOS) and to pull him out of that situation feels like he would be annoyed at us for doing that to him.

So you think because some Boston realgm poster is 99% sure he's correct that Jackson is involved? Why would we include him now just because of Thomas' physical?

I"m 99% sure about nothing related to this trade at this point

[bwgood77]

That's crazy...Now that the trade is 90% done with Celtics why is Jackson all of a sudden involved in some deal for Kyrie? It was always Bledsoe, Chriss/Warren and 1st. At this point, I wouldn't even do Bledsoe and 1st (heavily protected). Kyrie seems happy in Boston (supposedly very open to resigning with BOS) and to pull him out of that situation feels like he would be annoyed at us for doing that to him.

So you think because some Boston realgm poster is 99% sure he's correct that Jackson is involved? Why would we include him now just because of Thomas' physical?

I"m 99% sure about nothing related to this trade at this point

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[BobbieL]

So you think because some Boston realgm poster is 99% sure he's correct that Jackson is involved? Why would we include him now just because of Thomas' physical?

I"m 99% sure about nothing related to this trade at this point

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Smart to just take the trade. Isiah Thomas was a good asset; Crowder was a good asset; that Nets pick is a great asset.

who knows, they still might flip Isiah for something

[Waylay13]

I dont want Phx to be in this mess (as I have mentioned several times), but if we have been swept back into the running I believe its because possibly we have softened on the stance of our own first round pick next year being included or the protection. Josh still would not be involved.

I think that you are paying attention to some know nothing from Cleveland who is trying to build more vault for Kyrie. Kyrie maybe a very good scorer but he is a sucky point guard and not a player that you want to build your team around. If he were averaging 10 assists a game I would think differently but this is a player who is leading his team to -120 when he is on the floor and Lebron isnt doesnt that tell you something about the type of player he is?

[Kerrsed]

So you think because some Boston realgm poster is 99% sure he's correct that Jackson is involved? Why would we include him now just because of Thomas' physical?

I"m 99% sure about nothing related to this trade at this point

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[NavLDO]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

Brogdon and Middleton are good. They can shoot 3-pointers, and switch across multiple positions on defense. They are tailor-made to help the Cavs mimic the Golden State Warriors, the only team LeBron really cares about right now.

A pick from the Bucks, an almost certain playoff team in the junior varsity conference, carries no blue-chip equity.

An unprotected pick from Phoenix would, but bad teams a half-decade away from relevance don't deal picks for stars who make them slightly less bad before bolting in free agency. Other likely lottery teams -- Sacramento, Atlanta, Indiana, Chicago -- don't appear to have made offers.

Phoenix was never moving Josh Jackson, and there is minimal Irving buzz around them now.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

I'm sure they said the same thing about the Warriors in 2012, OKC in 2009, LAC in 2010, so on and so forth...I doubt it will take is 5 years to be relevant again, and if it does, it's BECAUSE we didn't trade for talent, not because we DIDN'T...

I can understand not rushing after selecting Warren, or even Booker, but my goodness, we now have 5 young talented players who were lotto picks, 2 extra draft picks with minimal or no protection, and Bledsoe. What this writer is failing to recognize is that we could potentially trade Bledsoe, let's say Chriss, and our 2018 pick to get Kyrie, and we'd still have Booker, Warren, Bender, Jackson, and Miami's 2018 Top 7 protected pick.

So we keep Booker and Warren and still have Bender, Jackson, and Mia 2018 pick + either Chandler or Dudley to make salaries work, and we bring in another 'ready now' talent...maybe...

...Myles Turner + Oladipo for Bender + JJ + Chandler + Pick.

All of a sudden, we're starting: Kyrie-Booker-Warren-Turner-Len with Ulis-Oladipo-DJ Jr-Dudley-Sauce

...Porzingis + Lee for Bender + JJ + Dudley + Pick. -- Though 2 years doesn't seem much, gives NYK 2 players closer in age to Frank N. to build future, plus the pick

...A. Gordon + Hezonja for Bender + JJ + Pick. -- Why? Frankly, Gordon is established, the other 3 are not, hence why we are giving up the pick. All were top 5 picks. Works well for us since, in this scenario, we'd be attempting to lure Cousins...

Kyrie-Booker-Warren-Gordon-Len

Or, forget about the 2nd trade, and just attempt to lure Boogie...

Kyrie-Booker-Jackson-Warren-Len

Honestly, if we keep Bledsoe, and I know Frank touched upon JJ getting his minutes no matter what...well, if we avoided trades all-together, then split the 144 minutes between SF-PF-C with the following 5 players:

JJ-Warren-Chriss-Bender-Sauce, but complete a sign-n-trade with Len for a back-up SG; surely Len is at least worth that on a good contract. Anyway, 28 minutes a piece, or thereabouts, should work well enough to get everyone their minutes...or 30 minutes for each, and 24 for Sauce, which should be fine, and allow Bender/Chriss get some minutes at the 5, Warren some minutes at the 4 and 3, and Bender some minutes at the 3, if needed.

Anyway, just some thoughts...

[bwgood77]

I"m 99% sure about nothing related to this trade at this point

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Probably wants to tweet it himself. Either way, it doesn't mean they would accept the deal. They could be saying "We are no longer looking for more assets" because they plan on voiding the deal.

Doubtful, but it's possible.

They could also void it and re-engage discussions with them at any point.

[kennydorglas]

LOL Bucks almost got Kyrie for Brogdon/Middleton/1st
We definitely dont need to add Jackson or even our 18' pick lol

Dont bid against yourself, McD.

I'm not sure why that is such a laugher, actually. Middleton is a career 40% 3PT shooter and consistently a top offensive player, even if he doesn't get the fanfare. Probably worth close to Bledsoe when you factor in age and position. Then, you have the reigning ROY, regardless of whether his stats blew anyone away, he's a nice option as a Combo Guard. And then they offer a 1st as well, which admittedly, would be a later 1st.

Meanwhile, we have a rookie that we THINK is going to be good, and Bledsoe. Milwaukee's trade allows them to be good NOW and LATER (just like the candy), since Middleton just turned 26, and Brogdin is what, 24?

I'm just saying, it's not like they offered them a bag of junk, or something...

It's not a bad offer, we just can beat this offer without Jackson and any high pick.
If that was their 2nd best offer for Kyrie, I dont know why in hell Ainge unleashed that package for them.

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[phnart]

yawn. Can't wait to get training camp started and continue to develop this young core. They have been fairly entertaining for the past couple of years now and should only become more entertaining. Booker will drop another 50+ game this season, for sure.

[Mulhollanddrive]

All this for Miami's 2020 2nd rounder.

McDonough would be glad he stayed out of this all today.

[Fo-Real]

I dont want Phx to be in this mess (as I have mentioned several times), but if we have been swept back into the running I believe its because possibly we have softened on the stance of our own first round pick next year being included or the protection. Josh still would not be involved.

I think that you are paying attention to some know nothing from Cleveland who is trying to build more vault for Kyrie. Kyrie maybe a very good scorer but he is a sucky point guard and not a player that you want to build your team around. If he were averaging 10 assists a game I would think differently but this is a player who is leading his team to -120 when he is on the floor and Lebron isnt doesnt that tell you something about the type of player he is?

Pretty **** sure you missed the first 7 words of my post.

[darealjuice]

Trade's done, thus ending the second coming of anyone's hope to see Kyrie in a Suns jersey next year. All for a second rounder. Wonder how much time IT ends up missing to start the season, if any?

[Kerrsed]

All this for Miami's 2020 2nd rounder.

Cleveland already got a steal for a player that is disgruntled and was publicly asking for a trade. I think they got a hell of a lot more than they should. They used this opportunity to squeeze out just a little bit more.

[Waylay13]

I dont want Phx to be in this mess (as I have mentioned several times), but if we have been swept back into the running I believe its because possibly we have softened on the stance of our own first round pick next year being included or the protection. Josh still would not be involved.

I think that you are paying attention to some know nothing from Cleveland who is trying to build more vault for Kyrie. Kyrie maybe a very good scorer but he is a sucky point guard and not a player that you want to build your team around. If he were averaging 10 assists a game I would think differently but this is a player who is leading his team to -120 when he is on the floor and Lebron isnt doesnt that tell you something about the type of player he is?

Pretty **** sure you missed the first 7 words of my post.

How the words that you believe that the Suns should go after Kyrie in the first place to get a star as a draw in the first place. or that you believe that we have been swept back into the running because we softened our stance on our own first round pick. I dont believe that Kyrie is a star and I sure as heck dont want him in a suns uni for anything close to our 2018 draft pick. I believe that Boston grossly overpaid for Kyire.

[bwgood77]

Trade's done, thus ending the second coming of anyone's hope to see Kyrie in a Suns jersey next year. All for a second rounder. Wonder how much time IT ends up missing to start the season, if any?

And Cleveland probably pissed off IT in the process, making his injury out to be a bigger deal than it was, likely costing him money next summer. I guess ultimately it could allow Cleveland to sign him for less, but it was kind of a cheap move by the rookie GM, as they already had a great deal and were very unlikely to get much more.