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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#701 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:08 pm

sunsfever68 wrote:Flip Monroe for Okafor

Okafor off the bench as the backup big w Warren who provide an awesome bench scoring punch.

trade Tyson asap get his contract off the books.

I want to see what we can do with Okafor off the bench.


I think if we acquired Okafor it would not be long before we loathed him.

Is Okafor better than Alan Williams? Hmm...
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#702 » by OGBAH » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:18 pm

I think JAH is going to break out when he gets to a new team...maybe idk
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#703 » by bwoolf2 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:26 pm

What about getting ahold of Charlotte and kicking the tires on Michael Carter-Williams they dont use him and he hasnt been good the past few years, but he has to be better than James and Ulis and at least gives us some size at the position and could be turned into a pass 1st PG. Hell its worth a shot and its early but I can't watch james and Ulis anymore, Ulis is just too small can't shoot or defend anyone thats not going to change he's not getting taller.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#704 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:30 pm

bwoolf2 wrote:What about getting ahold of Charlotte and kicking the tires on Michael Carter-Williams they dont use him and he hasnt been good the past few years, but he has to be better than James and Ulis and at least gives us some size at the position and could be turned into a pass 1st PG. Hell its worth a shot and its early but I can't watch james and Ulis anymore, Ulis is just too small can't shoot or defend anyone thats not going to change he's not getting taller.


I'd be interested if there was good reason to think that he could stay healthy, and if CHA weren't going to charge us anything for the pleasure of kicking the tires.
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Post#705 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:59 pm

Schwartz delivered the opposite message, the two recall: "Tyson is fine." He likes Phoenix, Schwartz told McDonough, and enjoys mentoring the young Suns. "It was a breath of fresh air," McDonough says. Eight days later, at halftime in Washington with the Suns down by 12, Jay Triano, Phoenix's interim head coach, was striding down a hallway toward the locker room to address the team when he heard Chandler screaming. "That is what a playoff team looks like!" Chandler yelled at his teammates, according to Booker, Triano, and others. "We are getting punked!" He then picked up a marker, and diagrammed Phoenix's first-half defensive screw-ups on a whiteboard.

"Yeah, there were some words said that night," says Chandler. "Wherever I'm at, no matter the situation, I do my job." The Suns rallied to win, and they are 4-5 with a blessedly normal-ish (bad) point differential since those humiliating first three games. That counts as stability for a team that has been grasping wildly for it since Amar'e Stoudemire's knee issues and the Steve Nash trade brought the official denouement of the Seven Seconds or Less era.

Triano spoke to Nash on the phone recently about what to do with his struggling young players -- almost a college team competing in the NBA. Nash directed the talk away from basketball. He sums up his advice this way via email: "There is no true development without competitiveness and resilience. Without those, it's just window dressing." That is what Triano will focus on in teaching Booker, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender, Josh Jackson, and the rest: play hard, run back on defense, grasp the ground-level fundamentals of NBA help defense -- or come out of the game.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#706 » by Sreister » Thu Nov 9, 2017 5:07 pm

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Schwartz delivered the opposite message, the two recall: "Tyson is fine." He likes Phoenix, Schwartz told McDonough, and enjoys mentoring the young Suns. "It was a breath of fresh air," McDonough says. Eight days later, at halftime in Washington with the Suns down by 12, Jay Triano, Phoenix's interim head coach, was striding down a hallway toward the locker room to address the team when he heard Chandler screaming. "That is what a playoff team looks like!" Chandler yelled at his teammates, according to Booker, Triano, and others. "We are getting punked!" He then picked up a marker, and diagrammed Phoenix's first-half defensive screw-ups on a whiteboard.

"Yeah, there were some words said that night," says Chandler. "Wherever I'm at, no matter the situation, I do my job." The Suns rallied to win, and they are 4-5 with a blessedly normal-ish (bad) point differential since those humiliating first three games. That counts as stability for a team that has been grasping wildly for it since Amar'e Stoudemire's knee issues and the Steve Nash trade brought the official denouement of the Seven Seconds or Less era.

Triano spoke to Nash on the phone recently about what to do with his struggling young players -- almost a college team competing in the NBA. Nash directed the talk away from basketball. He sums up his advice this way via email: "There is no true development without competitiveness and resilience. Without those, it's just window dressing." That is what Triano will focus on in teaching Booker, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender, Josh Jackson, and the rest: play hard, run back on defense, grasp the ground-level fundamentals of NBA help defense -- or come out of the game.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21339847/zach-lowe-phoenix-suns-eric-bledsoe-devin-booker-nba


This is why I'm not really willing to trade Chandler. Honestly, as good as Book has played, I think Chandler is our glue right now. Take him away and I think we fall apart again. People only look at him and see average stats that can be easily replaced, but you can't put a number on what he gives us.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#707 » by jredsaz » Thu Nov 9, 2017 5:37 pm

Bill Simmons just said on his #248 Pod that Irving shut down a trade of Bledsoe and #4 for Irving this summer because he wanted to go to Bean Town. 11 min mark

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Post#708 » by Sreister » Thu Nov 9, 2017 6:19 pm

jredsaz wrote:Bill Simmons just said on his #248 Pod that Irving shut down a trade of Bledsoe and #4 for Irving this summer because he wanted to go to Bean Town. 11 min mark

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lol not sure I really trust Simmons. He's a little bias when it comes to that.
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Post#709 » by jredsaz » Thu Nov 9, 2017 6:38 pm

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jredsaz wrote:Bill Simmons just said on his #248 Pod that Irving shut down a trade of Bledsoe and #4 for Irving this summer because he wanted to go to Bean Town. 11 min mark

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lol not sure I really trust Simmons. He's a little bias when it comes to that.

Yeah. Idk. It's believable that Irving didn't want to play for this organization. But I'm am too skeptical of Simmons

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#710 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Nov 9, 2017 6:44 pm

Surely there is a veteran PG who would enjoy the opportunity to take over a young, talented, underachieving team?
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Post#712 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 7:06 pm



This is kind of new:

As for Monroe, Pompey reports the Suns may be looking to trade him or buy him out of his contract soon:

Don’t count on the Sixers taking Monroe in any potential deal with the Suns. The Sixers have around $15 million available in cap space. A chunk of that money is expected to go to Robert Covington, whose contract can be renegotiated as early as Nov. 15. As a result, the Sixers’ cap space is not in play for any deal.

The Suns could, however, offer one of their protected draft picks and/or someone with a salary comparable to Okafor’s $4.9 million. The Sixers could agree to take someone like Alex Len. He’s making $4.1 million in the final year of his deal.


I didn't think the Sixers would want Monroe's salary but I had mentioned they could absorb his contract in a trade. As for Len, I doubt he'd approve one there with Embiid there and Amir Johnson. He'd probably play less and I doubt the Sixers would want to keep him anyway, so they probably wouldn't want him at all. They also have Richaun Holmes.

On another note, I can't believe Ben Simmons is averaging 17.8, 10 and 8. I mean that's got to be the closest to a triple double by a rookie ever, or at least in a very very long time. I guess he's not technically a rookie but his first year playing (maybe considering he can by ROTY, he is technically a rookie according to the NBA).
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Post#713 » by Desertfox » Thu Nov 9, 2017 7:12 pm

Surely there is a veteran PG who would enjoy the opportunity to take over a young, talented, underachieving team?

Last time the Suns had a young team where the PG had been traded off for a filler big man, they ended up signing a 31yo foreign-born PG who had been previously drafted by them. It would be nice if they could catch lightning in a bottle once again...
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Post#714 » by TeamTragic » Thu Nov 9, 2017 7:18 pm

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This is kind of new:

As for Monroe, Pompey reports the Suns may be looking to trade him or buy him out of his contract soon:

Don’t count on the Sixers taking Monroe in any potential deal with the Suns. The Sixers have around $15 million available in cap space. A chunk of that money is expected to go to Robert Covington, whose contract can be renegotiated as early as Nov. 15. As a result, the Sixers’ cap space is not in play for any deal.

The Suns could, however, offer one of their protected draft picks and/or someone with a salary comparable to Okafor’s $4.9 million. The Sixers could agree to take someone like Alex Len. He’s making $4.1 million in the final year of his deal.


I didn't think the Sixers would want Monroe's salary but I had mentioned they could absorb his contract in a trade. As for Len, I doubt he'd approve one there with Embiid there and Amir Johnson. He'd probably play less and I doubt the Sixers would want to keep him anyway, so they probably wouldn't want him at all. They also have Richaun Holmes.

On another note, I can't believe Ben Simmons is averaging 17.8, 10 and 8. I mean that's got to be the closest to a triple double by a rookie ever, or at least in a very very long time. I guess he's not technically a rookie but his first year playing (maybe considering he can by ROTY, he is technically a rookie according to the NBA).


We aren't keeping Len which makes that trade ideal. Otherwise he just walks and we get nothing back. We can also include a second rounder.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#715 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 7:26 pm

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This is kind of new:

As for Monroe, Pompey reports the Suns may be looking to trade him or buy him out of his contract soon:

Don’t count on the Sixers taking Monroe in any potential deal with the Suns. The Sixers have around $15 million available in cap space. A chunk of that money is expected to go to Robert Covington, whose contract can be renegotiated as early as Nov. 15. As a result, the Sixers’ cap space is not in play for any deal.

The Suns could, however, offer one of their protected draft picks and/or someone with a salary comparable to Okafor’s $4.9 million. The Sixers could agree to take someone like Alex Len. He’s making $4.1 million in the final year of his deal.


I didn't think the Sixers would want Monroe's salary but I had mentioned they could absorb his contract in a trade. As for Len, I doubt he'd approve one there with Embiid there and Amir Johnson. He'd probably play less and I doubt the Sixers would want to keep him anyway, so they probably wouldn't want him at all. They also have Richaun Holmes.

On another note, I can't believe Ben Simmons is averaging 17.8, 10 and 8. I mean that's got to be the closest to a triple double by a rookie ever, or at least in a very very long time. I guess he's not technically a rookie but his first year playing (maybe considering he can by ROTY, he is technically a rookie according to the NBA).


We aren't keeping Len which makes that trade ideal. Otherwise he just walks and we get nothing back. We can also include a second rounder.


Being on the QO, Len would have to approve the trade. We can't trade him unless he wants to go to that team. I'm not sure he would want to because he'd probably play less and he needs to play since he's an upcoming free agent.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#716 » by Saberestar » Thu Nov 9, 2017 8:08 pm

For what I have seen in the last few games, Julius Randle is close to turn the corner and probably be double/double machine on his next team. He isn't a good fit in LA because he wants the ball and they have enough offensive power with Ingram, Lopez and Kuzma in the frontcourt.

I would trade for Randle and play him at PF/C...mostly at C next to Bender. He is really strong and can handle players with size.

If he plays great we take advantage of his contract situation because he is gonna be a RFA this summer, so we can match any offer if we want him on our core. Okafor will be an UFA.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#718 » by Walt_Uoob » Thu Nov 9, 2017 8:25 pm

Saberestar wrote:For what I have seen in the last few games, Julius Randle is close to turn the corner and probably be double/double machine on his next team. He isn't a good fit in LA because he wants the ball and they have enough offensive power with Ingram, Lopez and Kuzma in the frontcourt.

I would trade for Randle and play him at PF/C...mostly at C next to Bender. He is really strong and can handle players with size.

If he plays great we take advantage of his contract situation because he is gonna be a RFA this summer, so we can match any offer if we want him on our core. Okafor will be an UFA.


I was going to mention him too but my quandary is whether it's worth it to do it now. Maybe I'm just nervous because Len and Noel took the QO but restricted free agency doesn't excite me now. Ideally he stays with the Lakers this season and then we sign him outright and they don't match.

Also, what would the deal be? Not sure what he's worth in this situation. Since Randle is about to get paid it's not worth taking Deng's deal. Maybe Randle + Deng + a future pick for Monroe? Or just picks from us for Randle? Like a heavily protected first or a couple seconds?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#719 » by thamadkant » Thu Nov 9, 2017 8:37 pm

bwgood77 wrote:


This is kind of new:

As for Monroe, Pompey reports the Suns may be looking to trade him or buy him out of his contract soon:

Don’t count on the Sixers taking Monroe in any potential deal with the Suns. The Sixers have around $15 million available in cap space. A chunk of that money is expected to go to Robert Covington, whose contract can be renegotiated as early as Nov. 15. As a result, the Sixers’ cap space is not in play for any deal.

The Suns could, however, offer one of their protected draft picks and/or someone with a salary comparable to Okafor’s $4.9 million. The Sixers could agree to take someone like Alex Len. He’s making $4.1 million in the final year of his deal.


I didn't think the Sixers would want Monroe's salary but I had mentioned they could absorb his contract in a trade. As for Len, I doubt he'd approve one there with Embiid there and Amir Johnson. He'd probably play less and I doubt the Sixers would want to keep him anyway, so they probably wouldn't want him at all. They also have Richaun Holmes.

On another note, I can't believe Ben Simmons is averaging 17.8, 10 and 8. I mean that's got to be the closest to a triple double by a rookie ever, or at least in a very very long time. I guess he's not technically a rookie but his first year playing (maybe considering he can by ROTY, he is technically a rookie according to the NBA).





Len will likely be better off with a player like Simmons who is the type of player who makes his team mates better.
Len as Embiid's backup they can then move Amir as PF backup or when they go big. Embiid's health is just not trust worthy at the moment.. well his legs anyways. I think he'll be playing 60-70 games mostly in his career, as more mileage accumulate on those knees he will be sore more often. Basically, opportunities for Len and Amir.

Suns need an interior scorer young enough to grow with the timeline. Okafor is a 1.5-2 bpg type of big man I think eventually.... he is an under rated shot blocker, he's got massive wingspan.
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