The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[bwgood77]

Caruso and Hartenstein to OKC!!!!!! Man that GM . Owner know how to build a team!!!!! They still have a lot of 1sts left as well!

I know I mocked Presti - thinking - how can he keep all those picks. Well he has a frigging clue. He has built a team that will be very good for the next 5 years.

Not sure anybody in the West are better than the Thunder, on paper.

They still have all the picks too. It will allow them to continue to add cheap contracts, or if and when they want to go after a star, they can, but they were already the top seed without one and still far from their prime and added those two guys.

[BobbieL]

Stock up: Oklahoma City -- Presti is some kind of good GM. Dumped Giddey for Caruso. Has the Center they needed

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Oklahoma City is going to be a tough out next spring.

Damn I loved Hartenstein in the playoffs but $30 million a year is a lot for him. Of course OKC can afford it with so many minimum rookie deals that won't kick to a lot bigger contracts for 2-3 years.

Third year is not guaranteed. So I think that is when Chet starts getting the big money

[bwgood77]

Stock up: Oklahoma City -- Presti is some kind of good GM. Dumped Giddey for Caruso. Has the Center they needed

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Oklahoma City is going to be a tough out next spring.

I don’t like it. Personally I think that Thibs had to do a lot about Hartenstein looking a very good defensive C.

He is solid and I like him but $87M/3 year is ridiculous for a player with so many limitations and we aren't talking about a physical freak with crazy length like Gobert or Turner.

So you don't think he makes them better?

[TeamTragic]

DeRozan leaving the Bulls which I guess means Clippers or Lakers.

[Slim Charless]

Stock up: Oklahoma City -- Presti is some kind of good GM. Dumped Giddey for Caruso. Has the Center they needed

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Oklahoma City is going to be a tough out next spring.

I don’t like it. Personally I think that Thibs had to do a lot about Hartenstein looking a very good defensive C.

He is solid and I like him but $87M/3 year is ridiculous for a player with so many limitations and we aren't talking about a physical freak with crazy length like Gobert or Turner.

So you don't think he makes them better?

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

[bwgood77]

Stock up: Oklahoma City -- Presti is some kind of good GM. Dumped Giddey for Caruso. Has the Center they needed

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Oklahoma City is going to be a tough out next spring.

Damn I loved Hartenstein in the playoffs but $30 million a year is a lot for him. Of course OKC can afford it with so many minimum rookie deals that won't kick to a lot bigger contracts for 2-3 years.

Third year is not guaranteed. So I think that is when Chet starts getting the big money

Makes sense. I said it's a lot but if it's two years and you have to spend the cap space it doesn't matter if it makes you better, and you addressed a need you had to do better than spending that money elsewhere. They are pretty loaded with guards/wings. Hartenstein played so hard and with so much heart in the playoffs.

[dremill24]

Good move by the Mavericks
Josh Greene to Charlotte
Wonder what the Warriors will get

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Dubs probly dont get a lot besides the TPE and minor draft considerations.

[bwgood77]

I don’t like it. Personally I think that Thibs had to do a lot about Hartenstein looking a very good defensive C.

He is solid and I like him but $87M/3 year is ridiculous for a player with so many limitations and we aren't talking about a physical freak with crazy length like Gobert or Turner.

So you don't think he makes them better?

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

He's overpaid but maybe they don't sign him at all if they don't offer that much and don't have another avenue to use the money to get better. If it prevents them from doing something that would improve them more, than it's bad, but does it? I don't know. If it makes them better it doesn't matter really. It is a couple years. He was a difference maker in the playoffs. OKC took the Mavs to 7, and are super young and ahead of schedule.

[Saberestar]

Dennis Smith
Fultz
C. Dunn
Dinwiddie
Monte Morris
Cam Payne
Kira Lewis
McLaughlin
Kyle Lowry
Patty Mills

One of these 10 PGs needs to be a Sun in the next 24-48 hours.

I hope it's not Patty Mills (too old) or McLaughlin (too small).

[BobbieL]

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Dunn would be a nice pick-up at this point. I think it will probably be Morris based on dollar amount

[KdoubleDees23]

I don’t like it. Personally I think that Thibs had to do a lot about Hartenstein looking a very good defensive C.

He is solid and I like him but $87M/3 year is ridiculous for a player with so many limitations and we aren't talking about a physical freak with crazy length like Gobert or Turner.

So you don't think he makes them better?

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

Dude quit making numbers up! Looking like a liar buddy. 87 mill and 3rd isnt guaranteed! This is a great deal.

[KdoubleDees23]

So you don't think he makes them better?

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

He's overpaid but maybe they don't sign him at all if they don't offer that much and don't have another avenue to use the money to get better. If it prevents them from doing something that would improve them more, than it's bad, but does it? I don't know. If it makes them better it doesn't matter really. It is a couple years. He was a difference maker in the playoffs. OKC took the Mavs to 7, and are super young and ahead of schedule.

Also NYK could offer him $19 or 22 mill a year and were going too! Thunder wanted him and got him for $29 mill a year with 3rd year not guaranteed! Great deal, great fit, and good job Thunder.

We are paying Beal high 40s low 50s and dude is complete trash! We arent the ones to talk

[BobbieL]

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

He's overpaid but maybe they don't sign him at all if they don't offer that much and don't have another avenue to use the money to get better. If it prevents them from doing something that would improve them more, than it's bad, but does it? I don't know. If it makes them better it doesn't matter really. It is a couple years. He was a difference maker in the playoffs. OKC took the Mavs to 7, and are super young and ahead of schedule.

Also NYK could offer him $19 or 22 mill a year and were going too! Thunder wanted him and got him for $29 mill a year with 3rd year not guaranteed! Great deal, great fit, and good job Thunder.

We are paying Beal high 40s low 50s and dude is complete trash! We arent the ones to talk

Agreed. OKC is going to be a 1-3 seed this year. I like the Klay move for the Mavs combined with a full-season of PJ Washington and Giffords - so they are going to be stout.

Suns -- I think they will be in the play-in game at best. Dunn would be a nice addition at PG - but counting on Morris

[Slim Charless]

So you don't think he makes them better?

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

Dude quit making numbers up! Looking like a liar buddy. 87 mill and 3rd isnt guaranteed! This is a great deal.

I said nearly. Learn to read. It's a bad deal at 29/ per.

[sunsfan1o1]

Good move by the Mavericks
Josh Greene to Charlotte
Wonder what the Warriors will get

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Dubs probly dont get a lot besides the TPE and minorndraft considerations.

Klay Thompson is washed and rinsed. Dudes only in the NBA still cuz of his past. This does nothing for Mavs. Mavs actually were lucky to make it to the finals. Worst finals team I ever seen. They’re trash.

[Slim Charless]

Dennis Smith
Fultz
C. Dunn
Dinwiddie
Monte Morris
Cam Payne
Kira Lewis
McLaughlin
Kyle Lowry
Patty Mills

One of these 10 PGs needs to be a Sun in the next 24-48 hours.

I hope it's not Patty Mills (too old) or McLaughlin (too small).

Fultz is my#1 on that list by a wide margin. Pass first PG that can play defense. Can hit an open shot when needed and is Booker age

[bwgood77]

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

Dude quit making numbers up! Looking like a liar buddy. 87 mill and 3rd isnt guaranteed! This is a great deal.

I said nearly. Learn to read. It's a bad deal at 29/ per.

You must make a lot of money. $11 million doesn't belong in the "nearly" arena for me. If so, I nearly make 11 million today at home.

[Slim Charless]

So you don't think he makes them better?

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

He's overpaid but maybe they don't sign him at all if they don't offer that much and don't have another avenue to use the money to get better. If it prevents them from doing something that would improve them more, than it's bad, but does it? I don't know. If it makes them better it doesn't matter really. It is a couple years. He was a difference maker in the playoffs. OKC took the Mavs to 7, and are super young and ahead of schedule.

5 for 100 is what I would've done. He's not worth much more than that. He was a backup who killed it in the limited time he was given. This is starter money. Proven starter who has made an all star team. He's not that.

Also check your PMs......

[Saberestar]

Stock up: Oklahoma City -- Presti is some kind of good GM. Dumped Giddey for Caruso. Has the Center they needed

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Oklahoma City is going to be a tough out next spring.

I don’t like it. Personally I think that Thibs had to do a lot about Hartenstein looking a very good defensive C.

He is solid and I like him but $87M/3 year is ridiculous for a player with so many limitations and we aren't talking about a physical freak with crazy length like Gobert or Turner.

So you don't think he makes them better?

Yeah, slightly better, but like I said I don't believe that much in Hartenstein as a player.

So many times a meh C plays well in a particular playoffs and then he gets paid a lot in his next contract. In less than a year that contract is considered a bad contract and the guy just plays an small role coming from the bench.

Biyombo got paid like that playing well in a playoffs for the Raptors in 2016. The Magic gave him a crazy contract.

[BobbieL]

At what cost? He's wildly overpaid at nearly 100m over 3 years. Wildly. Presti messed this up. Fairly easy to see IMO.

He's overpaid but maybe they don't sign him at all if they don't offer that much and don't have another avenue to use the money to get better. If it prevents them from doing something that would improve them more, than it's bad, but does it? I don't know. If it makes them better it doesn't matter really. It is a couple years. He was a difference maker in the playoffs. OKC took the Mavs to 7, and are super young and ahead of schedule.

5 for 100 is what I would've done. He's not worth much more than that. He was a backup who killed it in the limited time he was given. This is starter money. Proven starter who has made an all star team. He's not that.

Also check your PMs......

I am not sure they could have given him 5/100 -- well maybe they could have but they have some rookie contracts coming due. So they front loaded him a two year deal basically to allow them cap flexibility when the rookies get second contracts

So did they overpay? Probably on a per year basis. But they retain some long-term flexibility