2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

[Saberestar]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

Do you know that we are tied 2-2 and with homecourt advantage?

[bwoolf2]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I really really disagree with this our core moving forward Book, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson are all 26 or younger these guys are going to be good for a long time you can add a combo of veterans and youth around that and the Suns will be competitive for a long time.

But one thing is clear two seasons in a row now suns need length and youth, but Monty has to be willing to play and develop those guys throughout the season and not worry about winning 60 something games. For championship teams the regular season needs to be about development and getting ready for the playoffs not setting win records in the regular season.

[RunDogGun]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

Do you know that we are tied 2-2 and with homecourt advantage?

Ugh, we have never had a "home court advantage" this season, or many seasons really. We don't get home court calls or home court free throw advantages.

We have only won those two games because CP3 went 7-8 and 7-10 in the fourth quarter. Green adjusted to that last night. We have made no real tactical adjustments, just the same rotations and the same game plan. Frank said, it was easier to game plan for CP3, since Booker is out, and he was right. So show Frank some respect. Everything he has said this post season was spot on.

If Monty does the same insanity, then we lose to a team that wants it more than us, and really has nothing to lose. They were a 9th seed team, that in normal years wouldn't be in the playoffs.

[RunDogGun]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I really really disagree with this our core moving forward Book, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson are all 26 or younger these guys are going to be good for a long time you can add a combo of veterans and youth around that and the Suns will be competitive for a long time.

But one thing is clear two seasons in a row now suns need length and youth, but Monty has to be willing to play and develop those guys throughout the season and not worry about winning 60 something games. For championship teams the regular season needs to be about development and getting ready for the playoffs not setting win records in the regular season.

I just don't see being able to keep Johnson. Another year of wasting his shooting and smarts, and another team will offer him money we can't afford. I also don't know if Ayton will turn the corner to dominate once he gets his money. Bridges has another level to get to, and I think he will work to get to that level.

[bwoolf2]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I really really disagree with this our core moving forward Book, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson are all 26 or younger these guys are going to be good for a long time you can add a combo of veterans and youth around that and the Suns will be competitive for a long time.

But one thing is clear two seasons in a row now suns need length and youth, but Monty has to be willing to play and develop those guys throughout the season and not worry about winning 60 something games. For championship teams the regular season needs to be about development and getting ready for the playoffs not setting win records in the regular season.

I just don't see being able to keep Johnson. Another year of wasting his shooting and smarts, and another team will offer him money we can't afford. I also don't know if Ayton will turn the corner to dominate once he gets his money. Bridges has another level to get to, and I think he will work to get to that level.

We will have no issue keeping Johnson his value has actually dropped a little 2nd half of season. And we have to at least be honest about Cam recently he hasn't shot well, and his defense has been absolutely awful, he has simply been bad and playing ole defense sticking his arm out after getting badly beat picking up stupid fouls.

I like Cam he was good most of the year but so we're a lot of our guys that all look lost now and that includes Cam.

[bwgood77]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I don't think they may try to deal Saric and Craig. Hopefully Shamet. I seriously doubt they'd deal Crowder. I don't feel like they would deal Payne, but I think Crowder and Payne would be the ones with trade value. Possibly Craig.

If they have to do things for tax reasons I would consider stretching Craig and Saric for sure and maybe Shamet.

I am unsure who we could get in any trades though or for the minimum. I think we have our 2nd round pick, though it will be 60th and can also look in the undrafted pool. We will have to fill any spots with at least minimum guys so I don't know.

I don't really understand Payne's regression. I do think it might have to do a little bit with Saric being out. Payne is a guy who is good at going to the rim and it was a large part of his game and he worked well with Saric stretching the floor and drawing a big out of the paint.

Also if Saric is healthy he may go back to backup C and we don't have to pay someone like JaVale over $5 million. We also could maybe keep Biyombo at the minimum to play as backup. Saric can also be a bigger 4 who could help out in situations where a lineup goes bigger against us.

It seems like the main guys to likely go would be Craig and Holiday, or if they felt Holiday is ready to be the backup PG and isn't too expensive, they could deal Payne and Craig, but they probably wouldn't want to bring too much salary back and I doubt we could get a very good player back. Maybe a backup big or a combo guard from a team with a lot of depth.

[bwgood77]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

Do you know that we are tied 2-2 and with homecourt advantage?

I also think most of our players have been pretty effective given we won 64 games. I suppose our backup guards have been disappointing and our 3pt shooting overall has been bad, but I don't think they will make huge changes.

[bwgood77]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I really really disagree with this our core moving forward Book, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson are all 26 or younger these guys are going to be good for a long time you can add a combo of veterans and youth around that and the Suns will be competitive for a long time.

But one thing is clear two seasons in a row now suns need length and youth, but Monty has to be willing to play and develop those guys throughout the season and not worry about winning 60 something games. For championship teams the regular season needs to be about development and getting ready for the playoffs not setting win records in the regular season.

I just don't see being able to keep Johnson. Another year of wasting his shooting and smarts, and another team will offer him money we can't afford. I also don't know if Ayton will turn the corner to dominate once he gets his money. Bridges has another level to get to, and I think he will work to get to that level.

We will keep Johnson given he's on a rookie contract through next year. I think there is a good chance we extend him too.

[bwoolf2]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I don't think they may try to deal Saric and Craig. Hopefully Shamet. I seriously doubt they'd deal Crowder. I don't feel like they would deal Payne, but I think Crowder and Payne would be the ones with trade value. Possibly Craig.

If they have to do things for tax reasons I would consider stretching Craig and Saric for sure and maybe Shamet.

I am unsure who we could get in any trades though or for the minimum. I think we have our 2nd round pick, though it will be 60th and can also look in the undrafted pool. We will have to fill any spots with at least minimum guys so I don't know.

I don't really understand Payne's regression. I do think it might have to do a little bit with Saric being out. Payne is a guy who is good at going to the rim and it was a large part of his game and he worked well with Saric stretching the floor and drawing a big out of the paint.

Also if Saric is healthy he may go back to backup C and we don't have to pay someone like JaVale over $5 million. We also could maybe keep Biyombo at the minimum to play as backup. Saric can also be a bigger 4 who could help out in situations where a lineup goes bigger against us.

It seems like the main guys to likely go would be Craig and Holiday, or if they felt Holiday is ready to be the backup PG and isn't too expensive, they could deal Payne and Craig, but they probably wouldn't want to bring too much salary back and I doubt we could get a very good player back. Maybe a backup big or a combo guard from a team with a lot of depth.

I don't think we can afford to bring Saric back as an important piece we have too many undersized, unatheletic players, we need more length and some better athletes off our bench.

[RunDogGun]

I really really disagree with this our core moving forward Book, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson are all 26 or younger these guys are going to be good for a long time you can add a combo of veterans and youth around that and the Suns will be competitive for a long time.

But one thing is clear two seasons in a row now suns need length and youth, but Monty has to be willing to play and develop those guys throughout the season and not worry about winning 60 something games. For championship teams the regular season needs to be about development and getting ready for the playoffs not setting win records in the regular season.

I just don't see being able to keep Johnson. Another year of wasting his shooting and smarts, and another team will offer him money we can't afford. I also don't know if Ayton will turn the corner to dominate once he gets his money. Bridges has another level to get to, and I think he will work to get to that level.

We will keep Johnson given he's on a rookie contract through next year. I think there is a good chance we extend him too.

Well duh, on him being ours next year, I was referring to the following year. If we can't unload Chowder, I don't see Monty all of a sudden moving Johnson to the starting lineup. Hence my comment "another year of wasting his shooting and smarts". He was top four in three point shooting, and with his new added drives, he is now know around the league pretty well. He will get paid, and if we sign Ayton to a max or near max contract this offseason, I just don't see us matching an offer Johnson will get from another team, who recognizes the value of his skillset, and won't give him limited minutes. Johnson is a smart kid, and taking the money might be smarter than waiting for Monty to make adjustments.

[bwgood77]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

I don't think they may try to deal Saric and Craig. Hopefully Shamet. I seriously doubt they'd deal Crowder. I don't feel like they would deal Payne, but I think Crowder and Payne would be the ones with trade value. Possibly Craig.

If they have to do things for tax reasons I would consider stretching Craig and Saric for sure and maybe Shamet.

I am unsure who we could get in any trades though or for the minimum. I think we have our 2nd round pick, though it will be 60th and can also look in the undrafted pool. We will have to fill any spots with at least minimum guys so I don't know.

I don't really understand Payne's regression. I do think it might have to do a little bit with Saric being out. Payne is a guy who is good at going to the rim and it was a large part of his game and he worked well with Saric stretching the floor and drawing a big out of the paint.

Also if Saric is healthy he may go back to backup C and we don't have to pay someone like JaVale over $5 million. We also could maybe keep Biyombo at the minimum to play as backup. Saric can also be a bigger 4 who could help out in situations where a lineup goes bigger against us.

It seems like the main guys to likely go would be Craig and Holiday, or if they felt Holiday is ready to be the backup PG and isn't too expensive, they could deal Payne and Craig, but they probably wouldn't want to bring too much salary back and I doubt we could get a very good player back. Maybe a backup big or a combo guard from a team with a lot of depth.

I don't think we can afford to bring Saric back as an important piece we have too many undersized, unatheletic players, we need more length and some better athletes off our bench.

Well he's under contract and I don't think we can just dump him or likely a good athlete with length. He's another Monty favorite though. If they are ok with utilizing the stretch option, I think they may do that though. I just hope we don't trade more draft picks to dump guys.

[bwgood77]

I just don't see being able to keep Johnson. Another year of wasting his shooting and smarts, and another team will offer him money we can't afford. I also don't know if Ayton will turn the corner to dominate once he gets his money. Bridges has another level to get to, and I think he will work to get to that level.

We will keep Johnson given he's on a rookie contract through next year. I think there is a good chance we extend him too.

Well duh, on him being ours next year, I was referring to the following year. If we can't unload Chowder, I don't see Monty all of a sudden moving Johnson to the starting lineup. Hence my comment "another year of wasting his shooting and smarts". He was top four in three point shooting, and with his new added drives, he is now know around the league pretty well. He will get paid, and if we sign Ayton to a max or near max contract this offseason, I just don't see us matching an offer Johnson will get from another team, who recognizes the value of his skillset, and won't give him limited minutes. Johnson is a smart kid, and taking the money might be smarter than waiting for Monty to make adjustments.

I think we extend Johnson. If you extend him no one can offer him a contract the following summer because we will have him under contract.

Crowder expires after next year so when Johnson's salary kicks in, Crowder, Saric, Craig, etc, will be gone or very likely gone. Possibly CP3 as well.

[RunDogGun]

It would be smarter for Cam to wait and take offers. All he has to do is focus on his shooting and work on his rebounding. He could get an offer close to D Robinson. Plus another year of wasting his talents just to lowball him in an extension has to be obvious to him now. Shamet's dumb deal hinders many extensions, and I don't see Sarver giving Johnson a $12-14 million extension, which looking at Shamet's deal, Johnson would be worth, even here. Oh well, no need for a back and forth.

[bwgood77]

I think we will offer him 4/$60 and probably settle on something like 4/$70. I think he'd be smart to take a decent one having had an injury prone career since college.

[Saberestar]

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.

Do you know that we are tied 2-2 and with homecourt advantage?

Ugh, we have never had a "home court advantage" this season, or many seasons really. We don't get home court calls or home court free throw advantages.

We have only won those two games because CP3 went 7-8 and 7-10 in the fourth quarter. Green adjusted to that last night. We have made no real tactical adjustments, just the same rotations and the same game plan. Frank said, it was easier to game plan for CP3, since Booker is out, and he was right. So show Frank some respect. Everything he has said this post season was spot on.

If Monty does the same insanity, then we lose to a team that wants it more than us, and really has nothing to lose. They were a 9th seed team, that in normal years wouldn't be in the playoffs.

Well everyone knows that is easier to game plan for our team and CP3 without Book, that's Captain Obvious but even with his absence we are tied and now truly starts the playoffs for us.

I love our roster, and I would be happy bringing back basically the same roster next year, but it's gonna be too expensive so I understand that some minor changes are gonna be needed, but what I wouldn't touch is our core at all. Yeah, and that core includes Crowder and Cam Payne.

We will see. It is too early to talk about next season when we are in the middle of a dogfight with a very good team. They were 9th because they didn't have CJ McCollum and Larry Nance before, these two guys are great on their roles.

Tomorrow's game is gonna be exciting.

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[bwgood77]

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One doesn't like the conspiracy angle blaming the officials but that is something that all three teams down 1-2 went to the FT line over 40 times each. Well I guess in the West. I think each of them were at home - meaning Utah, Minnesota and the Pelicans

I have no idea what will happen tomorrow but I hope they do not send out a press release about Booker - either player or not playing.

[bwgood77]

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One doesn't like the conspiracy angle blaming the officials but that is something that all three teams down 1-2 went to the FT line over 40 times each. Well I guess in the West. I think each of them were at home - meaning Utah, Minnesota and the Pelicans

I have no idea what will happen tomorrow but I hope they do not send out a press release about Booker - either player or not playing.

If he's not playing they should say he's probable so they game plan for him.

[lilfishi22]

Shamet might be the only untradeable guy for the next two seasons. Crowder, Payne and Saric have value either as expiring's or a low-ish cost back up guard.