2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

[King4Day]

What to do with our back up guards.
I think it is quite obv that Shamet and Payne ain't it.

Magic fan here.

I had forgotten Elfrid Payton was a Sun. Is his sub 40 eFG% the worst in Suns history? I am trying to swallow the notion that Payton could/might-become an NBA champion.


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Not sure about history. He was mostly our 3rd stringer this year and we had hope they'd cut him or trade him during the deadline as a throw-in. It was also surprising when Kaminsky was cut, to sign Ish off his 2-way deal, and not Elf.

I think the players like him so he has that going for him.

[King4Day]

What to do with our back up guards.
I think it is quite obv that Shamet and Payne ain't it.

I expect one more year of Payne for sure. Bad has he's been, he's still on a really good contract. Even if that means he loses minutes next season.
If we can re-sign Holiday to be our 3rd string PG next year, I think we'll be set there.

[BobbieL]

Wonder where Donovan Mitchell is going? I would say maybe the knicks but what do they have to offer the Jazz

Its obviously not working in Utah with Goebert, Mitchell and Snyder

Pelicans are going to be tough next year if they can get minutes from Zion or trade him for players to give minutes

[dremill24]

I'd be down to try & poach Royce O'Neale as a Crowder/Craig upgrade.

[darealjuice]

I don't think the Jazz solve their problems moving Gobert, Mitchell, and/or Snyder. The supporting cast is just getting up there in age, and they don't have much for 2-way players. They've never really hit in the draft or made a move to take them over the hump either. There's a lot of smoke around the 3 of them though, it will be interesting to see what comes of it.

[bwgood77]

Realistically, who has the assets and can contend trading for Zion or Mitchell?

I think one place Zion could go where he could help them contend and they could potentially have the assets to get him is Chicago. Quite a bit of talent, a hole at PF, a bunch of guards, etc.

But who fits? LaVine would be who the Pels want but he's probably the one player they'd want to keep. He's worth a healthy motivated Zion but current Zion?

They don't need Vucevic so that leaves DeRozan and I'm not sure that fit is needed, but if he played in the backcourt with CJ, they would have enough playmaking. But it would require more.

Miami might have the assets, but they seem set and were already the 1 seed. I am not sure Zion is a fit with Bam but Tucker will need to be replaced. I am not sure who they would trade though. Lowry is old.

It could be Butler given him and Spo's arguments on the sideline. Butler with Herb Jones, Ingram, and McCollum would be scary.

Lowry, Herro, Robinson, Zion, Bam...

I'm trying to think of teams in the east. Cleveland? I am not sure either would want to go there.

I can't think of any WC teams having the assets. POSSIBLY GS if they wanted Butler or Zion but I think they are happy with their Core.

Memphis for sure but again, I think they are happy with their core.

Minnesota seems happy for the most part.

I think teams will generally be hesitant to trade for Zion and will wait to see how this next season goes and wait for FA.

A Butler for Mitchell or even DeRozan and more for Mitchell might make some sense, especially with DeRozan's passing and Conley's decline as well.

Collin Sexton and someone like Okoro for Mitchell? That makes a bit of sense. They could even throw in someone else with all their depth. Maybe Bogdan or someone. Bogdan and Sexton? Is Bogdan, Sexton and Okoro too much for Mitchell? Sexton does want to get paid though. I guess he may be a FA...so not sure how that works.

[darealjuice]

I don't think the Pelicans trade Zion. They just went toe-to-toe with the 1 seed without him while starting a homeless man's version of him in Jaxson Hayes. They could be serious next year if he's back on the floor and things mix right for them. Frankly, if they're looking to trade someone as talented as him, it's probably raising a red flag to other teams as well.

I would be interested in seeing the mix with CJ, Ingram, Zion, and JV all together though. There's only one ball to go around, and Zion would disrupt the current distribution, but talent is a good problem to have.

[TheLoon]

If Zion was on the trade block...big if...but if...what would you guys be willing to give up? Crowder Cam J and 2 firsts would be steep but nothing more than that...Our training staff is the best so they would get him into shape...this is obviously a thought experiment but just for fun

[cberry78]

For those that are interested....
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[sunskerr]

If Zion was on the trade block...big if...but if...what would you guys be willing to give up? Crowder Cam J and 2 firsts would be steep but nothing more than that...Our training staff is the best so they would get him into shape...this is obviously a thought experiment but just for fun

LOL if Zion is healthy they laugh us off the phone with that offer

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[bwgood77]

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I wonder if he tried that with Harden in Houston in the playoffs or Griffin in LA?

[Frank Lee]

I don't think the Pelicans trade Zion. They just went toe-to-toe with the 1 seed without him while starting a homeless man's version of him in Jaxson Hayes. They could be serious next year if he's back on the floor and things mix right for them. Frankly, if they're looking to trade someone as talented as him, it's probably raising a red flag to other teams as well.

I would be interested in seeing the mix with CJ, Ingram, Zion, and JV all together though. There's only one ball to go around, and Zion would disrupt the current distribution, but talent is a good problem to have.

My bet is they don’t extend him and make him play much like the Ayton path here

No way would ink this horse long term till he shows the desire needed to deserve the hay he will get. If he pouts, deal him.

[bwgood77]

I don't think the Pelicans trade Zion. They just went toe-to-toe with the 1 seed without him while starting a homeless man's version of him in Jaxson Hayes. They could be serious next year if he's back on the floor and things mix right for them. Frankly, if they're looking to trade someone as talented as him, it's probably raising a red flag to other teams as well.

I would be interested in seeing the mix with CJ, Ingram, Zion, and JV all together though. There's only one ball to go around, and Zion would disrupt the current distribution, but talent is a good problem to have.

My bet is they don’t extend him and make him play much like the Ayton path here

No way would ink this horse long term till he shows the desire needed to deserve the hay he will get. If he pouts, deal him.

The thing about him, though, is IF he gets healthy, and is locked up for the next 6 years, his trade value will be VERY high. I wonder if he would demand some sort of trade clause though.

He did just say he would sign an extension in a hearbeat though, so maybe he's excited about the prospect of joining the team.

[bwgood77]

Some strange takes here, and of course you all know I will defend Ayton if I feel he is overly picked on for 23 year old, but some of these posters are....well, decide for yourself. I had a number of responses on page 6.

And people may think I am the biggest Ayton fan, but I know there are far bigger fans within the fanbase and in here but they just don't post much with all the negativity surrounding him (though I know that has decreased given his play outside of maybe rebounding).

He's no better than possibly my 3rd favorite Sun.

Anyway, here's the thread if you'd like to read or chime in...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2188053

[TeamTragic]

I don't think the Pelicans trade Zion. They just went toe-to-toe with the 1 seed without him while starting a homeless man's version of him in Jaxson Hayes. They could be serious next year if he's back on the floor and things mix right for them. Frankly, if they're looking to trade someone as talented as him, it's probably raising a red flag to other teams as well.

I would be interested in seeing the mix with CJ, Ingram, Zion, and JV all together though. There's only one ball to go around, and Zion would disrupt the current distribution, but talent is a good problem to have.

My bet is they don’t extend him and make him play much like the Ayton path here

No way would ink this horse long term till he shows the desire needed to deserve the hay he will get. If he pouts, deal him.

How dare you use logic instead of homerism?

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JVG is such a tool!!!

[Bogyo]

I don't think the Pelicans trade Zion. They just went toe-to-toe with the 1 seed without him while starting a homeless man's version of him in Jaxson Hayes. They could be serious next year if he's back on the floor and things mix right for them. Frankly, if they're looking to trade someone as talented as him, it's probably raising a red flag to other teams as well.

I would be interested in seeing the mix with CJ, Ingram, Zion, and JV all together though. There's only one ball to go around, and Zion would disrupt the current distribution, but talent is a good problem to have.

My bet is they don’t extend him and make him play much like the Ayton path here

No way would ink this horse long term till he shows the desire needed to deserve the hay he will get. If he pouts, deal him.

How dare you use logic instead of homerism?

Should be the case for more and more of these "stars" who don't show up for more and more of their games, or out of shape or whatever else stuff we have seen lately. Irwing, Simmonns, Harden, Zion, etc... I would not give any of these dudes a 2 year contract, and would put incentives on a 1 year deal as well. Cuz f them and their attitude, thats why - in case anyone was wondering for my reasons.

[sunsbg]

Some strange takes here, and of course you all know I will defend Ayton if I feel he is overly picked on for 23 year old, but some of these posters are....well, decide for yourself. I had a number of responses on page 6.

And people may think I am the biggest Ayton fan, but I know there are far bigger fans within the fanbase and in here but they just don't post much with all the negativity surrounding him (though I know that has decreased given his play outside of maybe rebounding).

He's no better than possibly my 3rd favorite Sun.

Anyway, here's the thread if you'd like to read or chime in...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2188053

You became a fan once he improved on defense. I was a fan from the start, arguing with Luka fanboys even before the draft and having some heated debates especially with the Slovenians (cheers if you are lurking and reading this, Bob8). Of course DA has other great fans here, but also 3toheadmelo, who's a big fan from the start and probably sees his favorite Pat Ewing in DA. Still some DA haters like in this GB thread, but most neutral fans recognize the value of Ayton for Suns success. I have seen DA being Nr1 FA option for Mavs and he would indeed fit perfectly with Luka, but they have no chance of acquiring him.

I was waiting for a Suns-Mavs series all this time, but of course had to plan my vacation to coincide with the start of the series.

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I wonder if he tried that with Harden in Houston in the playoffs or Griffin in LA?

Yeah maybe and could be the reason both guys aren’t very friendly with CP3.

I know Harden in particular wouldn’t have anything to do with a curfew considering how much he likes the strip clubs regardless of whether it’s reg season games, playoff games or finals games or whatever.