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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#721 » by Revived » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:46 am

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DragicTime85 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Which one? We drafted two of them. :lol: We go from drafting brothers to drafting same first name players. :o


This brothers and first name patterns will all make sense soon. The Suns are just experimenting with chemistry to form a perfect solution.

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Next year will be guys that first names start with "B"? :o

No it will be with guys with the first name Andrew :D
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#722 » by Revived » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:48 am

JMac1 wrote:NBA TV Draft Review panel all agreed and liked Len's potential going forward...They all agreed he is further than Hibbert in his growth at the time he (Hibbert) was drafted.

I thought you weren't gonna come back here cause we were all too judgmental or something?
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#723 » by Son of Ra » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:49 am

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:
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RunDogGun wrote:So, we need a shooting guard and possibly a small forward, and we draft two centers, and a SG we want to run point? Oh, and get another SG, who can't shoot. :o

Wow, not sure how I feel about this right now.


Well realistically we need everything. So I am fine with BPA and I hope our staff is right about their evaluations.

While I agree that we need ALMOST everything. I don't believe that PG is a position of need for us. We have a very good starter with a more than adequete backup. I think it really is too bad we couldn't shore up the back court for the future with this draft and then follow up with the front court with next year's draft and free agency.


Do you mean Marshall with adequate backup? I bet most here would not agree :p I personally want to see more of him before I label him. Yes he did have three very high assist games in three starts, but this is definitely not a sample size big enough to say he would be a legit backup PG.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#724 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:49 am

statsman wrote:Anyone know the official statement on the Suns-Warriors trade? At one point, it was thought that the trade was the #29 pick (Warriors) for the #30 pick (Suns) plus cash. Then it was reported that Malcolm Lee, who the Warriors picked up from the Twolves in purchasing the #26 pick (which was subsequently traded to OKC for the #29 pick and cash), was re-rerouted to the Suns.

So, that would make the trade Malcolm Lee plus the #29 pick to the Suns to the #30 pick. But that doesn't make much sense. There were tweets indicating that the Suns had included the #57 pick in this trade, but so far, I have not seen an official statement supporting that claim.


I haven't seen an offical statement on it, but the trade makes sense. The Wolves signed Lee to a 3 year contract a couple of years ago, so people were trying to dump his contract onto another team. So us agreeing to take it wasn't for compensation, but to pay out his salary.

I still don't understand why the Suns did it though, unless they think Lee is worth the money, because I figured if the team at 29 wanted Goodwin, they would have taken him and not done the trade, so the trade was unnecessary since he would have been available at 30 anyway.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#725 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:52 am

Is this not one of the more ridiculous quotes ever?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Suns/status/350472430868905987[/tweet]
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#726 » by ATF » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:53 am

Huge bummer if we didn't get Goodwin after all.
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Post#727 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:53 am

Oriakhi reminds me of Lawal
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Post#728 » by BurningHeart » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:53 am

bwgood77 wrote:Is this not one of the more ridiculous quotes ever?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Suns/status/350472430868905987[/tweet]


He said that because he said he couldn't comment on free agency/players yet.
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Post#729 » by ShawnBronald » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:55 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/350477402440351745[/tweet]
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#730 » by gaspar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:01 am

bwgood77 wrote:
statsman wrote:Anyone know the official statement on the Suns-Warriors trade? At one point, it was thought that the trade was the #29 pick (Warriors) for the #30 pick (Suns) plus cash. Then it was reported that Malcolm Lee, who the Warriors picked up from the Twolves in purchasing the #26 pick (which was subsequently traded to OKC for the #29 pick and cash), was re-rerouted to the Suns.

So, that would make the trade Malcolm Lee plus the #29 pick to the Suns to the #30 pick. But that doesn't make much sense. There were tweets indicating that the Suns had included the #57 pick in this trade, but so far, I have not seen an official statement supporting that claim.


I haven't seen an offical statement on it, but the trade makes sense. The Wolves signed Lee to a 3 year contract a couple of years ago, so people were trying to dump his contract onto another team. So us agreeing to take it wasn't for compensation, but to pay out his salary.

I still don't understand why the Suns did it though, unless they think Lee is worth the money, because I figured if the team at 29 wanted Goodwin, they would have taken him and not done the trade, so the trade was unnecessary since he would have been available at 30 anyway.

And how the Suns were supposed to know who the team at #29 wanted to draft? Apparently the Suns liked Goodwin a lot and wanted to make it sure they get him.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#731 » by carey » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:01 am

Lee is still on rookie scale for pennies. Under a Million this year and QO for next for like $1.1M.
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Post#732 » by RunDogGun » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:02 am

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Well assuming that the rebuild will take three years I wouldn't consider Gortat at 29 our C for the future and he won't be cheap to re-sign. I would love him as a backup at 32, but will it be a good contract for a backup then? I doubt it.

So while I agree that the immediate need would have been a SG, none available would have made us a playoff team anyways. So why not see the bigger picture and go BPA?


Sorry, I'm not one of those that thinks a rebuild will only take a set number of year. I always feel you try and assemble the best possible team you can. Your assumption also puts Dragic out of his contract, so then why not trade him today? Still not sure Goodwin was the BPA, nor Len, but time will tell. However, drafting a center, while we currently have a good starting center might create more problems and/or delay our rookie's development like I think it did with Marshall, and Morris before him.

With this team needing so much, like you say, I would rather have drafted someone who would start at number five. If we have a trade in the works, then so be it, but again, it would be nice to have a shooting guard, who can actually shoot.
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Post#733 » by BurningHeart » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:02 am

Perhaps someone was going to trade to 29?
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#734 » by RunDogGun » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:08 am

carey wrote:Lee is still on rookie scale for pennies. Under a Million this year and QO for next for like $1.1M.


His contract is no big deal, and since we already have Tucker at a similar pay, I think we will waive Lee. I guess I was just hoping for a shooting guard that fit the adjective. :D
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#735 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:09 am

gaspar wrote:And how the Suns were supposed to know who the team at #29 wanted to draft? Apparently the Suns liked Goodwin a lot and wanted to make it sure they get him.


Well, if the team really wanted Goodwin they would have taken him, and not traded down one spot. If it was 3-4 spots, it makes sense, but one spot doesn't. A team isn't going to change their draft strategy that late in the draft for such a minimal price.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#736 » by Revived » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:09 am

carey wrote:Lee is still on rookie scale for pennies. Under a Million this year and QO for next for like $1.1M.

So he's basically on a similar contract to what Wes Johnson was on this year for the Suns.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#737 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:10 am

BurningHeart wrote:Perhaps someone was going to trade to 29?


Now that is a good answer. That makes sense. If they feared another team was going to make a trade to get Goodwin, it is justified. My question answered. Thank you.

Likely they were counting on Goodwin falling to 30 and then heard the 29 pick was on the block and were worried someone else would swoop in and snag him in front of them. Not sure why I didn't consider that.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#738 » by RunDogGun » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:12 am

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carey wrote:Lee is still on rookie scale for pennies. Under a Million this year and QO for next for like $1.1M.

So he's basically on a similar contract to what Wes Johnson was on this year for the Suns.


No Wes was on the end of his rookie #4 contract, which was $4+ million. I think you meant Tucker.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#739 » by Son of Ra » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:13 am

RunDogGun wrote:
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Well assuming that the rebuild will take three years I wouldn't consider Gortat at 29 our C for the future and he won't be cheap to re-sign. I would love him as a backup at 32, but will it be a good contract for a backup then? I doubt it.

So while I agree that the immediate need would have been a SG, none available would have made us a playoff team anyways. So why not see the bigger picture and go BPA?


Sorry, I'm not one of those that thinks a rebuild will only take a set number of year. I always feel you try and assemble the best possible team you can. Your assumption also puts Dragic out of his contract, so then why not trade him today? Still not sure Goodwin was the BPA, nor Len, but time will tell. However, drafting a center, while we currently have a good starting center might create more problems and/or delay our rookie's development like I think it did with Marshall, and Morris before him.


With this team needing so much, like you say, I would rather have drafted someone who would start at number five. If we have a trade in the works, then so be it, but again, it would be nice to have a shooting guard, who can actually shoot.


Fair enough, but I think we can agree on us not really having a chance at competing for say at least the playoffs next season no matter who we sign or what happens. I don't know how many SGs or Cs there will be in the next draft, but maybe they have a SG in mind that they would want and that could be had in the lottery, where we will land for sure.
When will Len be back playing btw? I know this is highly speculative, but maybe they thought that they would play Gortat till the draft deadline, let Len recover, start playing as a backup and then be the starter come February. Or there really is a deal for Gortat in place already that they just couldn't announce yet. I would be happy with McCollum, and he is a SG that can shoot.


edit: and I agree that it was total nonsense to play Telfair so much ahead of Marshall esp. in a season that was lost pretty much early on. I'm not high on Morris and I feel like he's had his fair share of time so I liked showcasing Scola over playing him bcs I think especially at the deal we have him on he is a HUGE asset.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#740 » by gaspar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:16 am

bwgood77 wrote:
gaspar wrote:And how the Suns were supposed to know who the team at #29 wanted to draft? Apparently the Suns liked Goodwin a lot and wanted to make it sure they get him.


Well, if the team really wanted Goodwin they would have taken him, and not traded down one spot. If it was 3-4 spots, it makes sense, but one spot doesn't. A team isn't going to change their draft strategy that late in the draft for such a minimal price.

But the team that was trading the #29 pick away didn't know who the Suns are targeting. They wanted to dump Lee's contract and thought it was worth the risk that the Suns wouldn't take their player.

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