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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#721 » by Barkley6 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:51 am

drewsprocket wrote:I wouldn't sweat it. People are biased about where they want LBJ to land and obscure a lot of the truth. As fans we're pretty close in knowing that our team is short one big piece to contend in the WC. No one would want to face us in the playoffs even with the roster we have now. If LBJ can't see that or any star for that matter, then let them go hide together in LA or stay on Miami.

I think there's a strong chance the Suns will add someone big soon. And when we do, we want it to feel big for us...for the city...for the future.

Seriously, we haven't added a fan unifying player since Nash came back. No one is doing us any favors by coming here. they should come because they know its the right place and time and compensation.


Agree, and think this has been McDonough's plan since he was hired. Maybe not LBJ specifically, but a star who can take this team to the next level.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#722 » by JDLAW » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:53 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:I don't know. Even with lebron and melo, something just isn't right with that potential team. I can't put my finger on it but they just don't seem like they would be a dominate team. Would remind me of a lot like this years heat team.


I think it's the big man situation. Unless Len is ready to go, we'd be a small team when playing teams like the Spurs, Griz, Houston, etc.
I'm not keen on Love, but he would fit the team better I believe than Anthony, with James. He can rebound and space the hell out of the floor.

I meant the lakers. I firmly believe the suns would be way better. The article was about the lakers wanting to add melo and lebron. I was referring to the lakers when I said they wouldn't be dominate. Suns have way more and would be better. Sorry lakers fans but Kobe and lebron in 2014-2015 just isn't that scary. If it were 2010, yes that would be scary.


Lakers do not have the cap space to add Melo and James at max deals. They have enough for one but not two. There is a $23.5M lump in the middle of the Lakers salary structure that is a little hard to work around and neither James nor Melo will defer to Kobe on the court or off of it at this juncture of their careers. I also to not think James and Kobe are close.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#723 » by King4Day » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:54 am

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DarkHawk wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:I don't know. Even with lebron and melo, something just isn't right with that potential team. I can't put my finger on it but they just don't seem like they would be a dominate team. Would remind me of a lot like this years heat team.


I think it's the big man situation. Unless Len is ready to go, we'd be a small team when playing teams like the Spurs, Griz, Houston, etc.
I'm not keen on Love, but he would fit the team better I believe than Anthony, with James. He can rebound and space the hell out of the floor.

I meant the lakers. I firmly believe the suns would be way better. The article was about the lakers wanting to add melo and lebron. I was referring to the lakers when I said they wouldn't be dominate. Suns have way more and would be better. Sorry lakers fans but Kobe and lebron in 2014-2015 just isn't that scary. If it were 2010, yes that would be scary.


Oh for sure. LAL would be a bit better than Miami but not good enough to get out of the West.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#724 » by rsavaj » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:55 am

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JJ13 wrote:@ramonashelburne: Add two teams to the expected Pau Gasol market: Phoenix and Atlanta. Lakers, Knicks, Bulls, Mavs, Rockets all expected to pursue.


Ahh yeah. That Ramona girl is not a good reporter. That was made known by gambo awhile back.


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She's pretty well-regarded by other NBA sources. Her stuff is always well-received by other NBA media figures on twitter.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#725 » by rsavaj » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:56 am

Lowry's about to sign for close to max.

Bledsoe will get max.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#726 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:58 am

rsavaj wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
JJ13 wrote:@ramonashelburne: Add two teams to the expected Pau Gasol market: Phoenix and Atlanta. Lakers, Knicks, Bulls, Mavs, Rockets all expected to pursue.


Ahh yeah. That Ramona girl is not a good reporter. That was made known by gambo awhile back.


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She's pretty well-regarded by other NBA sources. Her stuff is always well-received by other NBA media figures on twitter.

I hear ya. But my boy gambo was calling her out so have to side with gambo.


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Post#727 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:00 am

Well hopefully we are one of the last teams to meet with his agent, due to McD saying that we will put a 48 hour window on Lebron.

Or is it a 48 hour window from when we talk to Lebron and not just his agent? IDK, but one thing i do know is McD should open the window a little bit more as LeBron already came out and said he himself is giving the Heat a window to improve the team before he and/or Bosh/Wade sign on.

I would be mad if our window passes and we go on to sign some other FA's, and a few days later Lebron decides not to stay in Miami.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#728 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:00 am

rsavaj wrote:Lowry's about to sign for close to max.

Bledsoe will get max.

Ya, I saw that.


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Post#729 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:03 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/azsports/status/483807093393072128[/tweet]
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Post#730 » by NapoleonII » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:05 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well hopefully we are one of the last teams to meet with his agent, due to McD saying that we will put a 48 hour window on Lebron.

Or is it a 48 hour window from when we talk to Lebron and not just his agent? IDK, but one thing i do know is McD should open the window a little bit more as LeBron already came out and said he himself is giving the Heat a window to improve the team before he and/or Bosh/Wade sign on.

I would be mad if our window passes and we go on to sign some other FA's, and a few days later Lebron decides not to stay in Miami.



It was always a longshot, but I prefer the front office to hardball Lebron a little. He's lived far too long with Cleveland ninnying to his ever want and need. I think we'll make an offer, explain how we think it's in his best interest to win another championship, and leave it at that. With a deadline. And then we'll move on.
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Post#731 » by Barkley6 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:09 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well hopefully we are one of the last teams to meet with his agent, due to McD saying that we will put a 48 hour window on Lebron.

Or is it a 48 hour window from when we talk to Lebron and not just his agent? IDK, but one thing i do know is McD should open the window a little bit more as LeBron already came out and said he himself is giving the Heat a window to improve the team before he and/or Bosh/Wade sign on.

I would be mad if our window passes and we go on to sign some other FA's, and a few days later Lebron decides not to stay in Miami.



From what I understand it's a 48 hour window for LeBron or his people to return the call we'll be making at midnight tonight. If we hear nothing, or nothing encouraging, we move on. If LBJ and/or his agent say, "we're interested, let's meet Thursday" I think McD is going to take that meeting.
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Post#732 » by Qwigglez » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:10 am

Good to hear about Suns expected to contact Pau. I think we have a good situation for him to be a good cog in our machine, though I think he really considers the Mavs and Thunder. We could offer more money though, so we'll see what it comes down to. It would be interesting to see the Hawks pick him up, because that makes me think Horford is available to trade...
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Post#733 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:10 am

I wonder what would happen if LeBron told Miami "I will re-sign if you sign Melo and Bosh but I do not want to play with Wade any more". I mean they'd HAVE to move on from Wade right? I wonder what the market would be for Wade then.

I think the Heat would be WAY better with a frontcourt of LeBron, Anthony and Bosh than with their big 3 now.
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Post#734 » by DirtyDez » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:12 am

Lebron > doing nothing > Pau/Hayward/Deng/etc

Don't mind waiting it out for Lebron. Just hope a team doesn't offer Bledsoe first thing in the morning compromising our cap space... Woj just said the big 3's contracts are in place so it's all up to Riley at this point.
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Post#735 » by JDLAW » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:14 am

lilfishi22 wrote:JDLAW, you probably know this but now that the Miami Big 3 have opted out, do Miami still have any sort of Bird rights for those three players? And the appropriate cap holds for those rights? Or do they have any particular contractual advantages over other teams vying for Lebron's service?



Miami still have Bird rights until they are renounced. They will all have cap holds up to the max amount they are permitted to be paid under the CBA or about $22M/yr (rounded off). Once Miami has its act together they will renounce all of the cap holds and resign them - assuming they decide to stay.

The one thing that might throw a monkey wrench into Miami's plans is that James is demanding the maximum he can get (supposedly) That means Bosh and Wade have to take more significant pay cuts if the Heat are going to add any expensive talent. The Heat appear to have about $8M in salary they could not clear off the books and at a $63M limit, if James takes $22M + and there is another $8M it adds up to $30M to fill that roster. Since the Bird exceptions for Bosh and Wade have to be waived to achieve any sort of cap room, adding a modest, $8M free agent (e.g. Lowrey or Gortat) would bring them up to $38M leaving Bosh and Wade to split $25M. That is quite a cut for both of them.

Things are going to be tight in Miami.

By the way everyone talks about Dallas they have a similar problem. It appears that the Mavs have $23-24M cap space, depending on who you believe, but this is illusory because to get that cap space the MAvs have to renounce Dirk's Bird rights. Once they do that, they have to sign Dirk AND what ever free agent they seek into that $24M. Dirk will take a cut, but not down to a couple of million. This is why Cuban came out and said he would not be offering a max contract this summer. He cannot realistically do so and keep Dirk.
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Post#736 » by SunsFanSSOL » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:14 am

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Post#737 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:14 am

DirtyDez wrote:Lebron > doing nothing > Pau/Hayward/Deng/etc

Don't mind waiting it out for Lebron. Just hope a team doesn't offer Bledsoe first thing in the morning compromising our cap space... Woj just said the big 3's contracts are in place so it's all up to Riley at this point.


It wouldn't compromise it would it? Wouldn't we have three days to match from when the offer sheet is SIGNED, which is July 8th at the earliest?
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Post#738 » by Barkley6 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:15 am

DirtyDez wrote:Lebron > doing nothing > Pau/Hayward/Deng/etc

Don't mind waiting it out for Lebron. Just hope a team doesn't offer Bledsoe first thing in the morning compromising our cap space... Woj just said the big 3's contracts are in place so it's all up to Riley at this point.


We have until July 20th before we need to decide on Bledsoe at the EARLIEST. He can't sign an offer sheet until the 10th, and we have 10 days to match.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#739 » by Barkley6 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:18 am

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Lebron > doing nothing > Pau/Hayward/Deng/etc

Don't mind waiting it out for Lebron. Just hope a team doesn't offer Bledsoe first thing in the morning compromising our cap space... Woj just said the big 3's contracts are in place so it's all up to Riley at this point.


It wouldn't compromise it would it? Wouldn't we have three days to match from when the offer sheet is SIGNED, which is July 8th at the earliest?


Is it the 8th? Dunno why I thought I read 10th somewhere.
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