The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[bwgood77]

I have to disagree. Markieff is the ONLY depth. Tolliver is an end of the bench guy, who will only be around one year. He is a stop gap and not a true power forward at all and has only value as a three point shooter. He doesn't rebound, block shots, or defend very well. Unless I'm forgetting someone who plays power forward currently on the suns roster, the power forwards, besides markieff, are almost non existent.

Actually markieff may be gone next year too. The power forward position is easily the weakest position on the suns by a wide margin.

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You don't think his bro can back him up? Hopefully Kieff continues to take more steps forward. His third year was just a little worse than Paul Millsap's third year, and if he can improve his rebounding he should be able to be a solid starter, and our backup will only play limited minutes.

[Saberestar]

The longer it goes - I think he gets traded. Lakers would be my quess at this point as I said earlier.

Randle, Nash's contract to make the dollars work and the Houston pick

Lakers could include Hill but I would think they would rather move Nash than lose a big and since the only way a trade with the Lakers happen is Randle - that's my prediction.

It is a shame that Randle plays PF because I think we have good depth at this position and with Markieff we have one player that is way better than Randle right now and in the short future at least.

I have to disagree. Markieff is the ONLY depth. Tolliver is an end of the bench guy, who will only be around one year. He is a stop gap and not a true power forward at all and has only value as a three point shooter. He doesn't rebound, block shots, or defend very well. Unless I'm forgetting someone who plays power forward currently on the suns roster, the power forwards, besides markieff, are almost non existent.

Actually markieff may be gone next year too. The power forward position is easily the weakest position on the suns by a wide margin.



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Well, I consider Marcus a PF too.

[bwgood77]

Been bad blood since may.
Ppl are just starting to realize that


That exit interview had bad news written all over it.
PERIOD.

People keep talking about this exit interview. Did they really show all the exit interviews with players? That seems strange to me. If so, can someone send me a link of it?

http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2014/04/1 ... ov-3241116

Thanks. I think people read too much into things. But it was kind of an odd answer.

I really enjoyed the Isaiah Thomas video after it.

[Sunsdeuce]

I have to disagree. Markieff is the ONLY depth. Tolliver is an end of the bench guy, who will only be around one year. He is a stop gap and not a true power forward at all and has only value as a three point shooter. He doesn't rebound, block shots, or defend very well. Unless I'm forgetting someone who plays power forward currently on the suns roster, the power forwards, besides markieff, are almost non existent.

Actually markieff may be gone next year too. The power forward position is easily the weakest position on the suns by a wide margin.

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You don't think his bro can back him up? Hopefully Kieff continues to take more steps forward. His third year was just a little worse than Paul Millsap's third year, and if he can improve his rebounding he should be able to be a solid starter, and our backup will only play limited minutes.

I think Marcus may be more value this year at power forward than tolliver. But Marcus isn't a true power forward. His game is different than markieff (as we all know). He plays smaller than his actually size.

Honestly I would be happy to play the Morris brothers the majority of the power forward position "this year." I have seen tolliver play a lot. He gets posterized too much for my taste (thus the one year guaranteed 3 mil, second year not guaranteed deal). Im Honestly surprised he got that much money. If he only plays spot minutes or in situations where a three is needed, that's fine (situational player). He just isn't very good.

Randle would be a dream scenario for the suns.


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[Sunsdeuce]

@ericsports: Source confirms that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers


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[King4Day]

Any Kevin Love trade ides should be scrapped. It sounds like he's intent on playing with the Cavs. I don't believe he's stay with the Warriors next off season and I certainly don't think he'd stay with us.

[King4Day]

@ericsports: Source confirms that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers


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I believe this. I just don't understand why the Cavs signed Wiggins. Now they must wait a month.

[Sunsdeuce]

@ericsports: Source confirms that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers


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I believe this. I just don't understand why the Cavs signed Wiggins. Now they must wait a month.

I have no doubt that love is a cav but I would like the suns to be a third team in the deal to get some assets.


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[DirtyDez]

La Cava has been around too long to take something out of contact like that. Bledsoe isn't bad-mouthing the Suns either. Eric Gordon WAS bad-mouthing his team and i didn't recall Suns' fan having a problem with it as long as we were the place he wanted to go.

[Zelaznyrules]

La Cava has been around too long to take something out of contact like that. Bledsoe isn't bad-mouthing the Suns either. Eric Gordon WAS bad-mouthing his team and i didn't recall Suns' fan having a problem with it as long as we were the place he wanted to go.

Absolutely. I didn't even worry about the context when I saw it was from Jude. I don't like the way his agent is handling this and he's clearly painted this as adversarial to his client but Eric was nowhere near as far over the line as most of us first assumed.

[Kerrsed]

@ericsports: Source confirms that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers


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I believe this. I just don't understand why the Cavs signed Wiggins. Now they must wait a month.

Maybe because Wiggins is off the table, just like Cleveland has been saying all along.

Cleveland didnt/doesnt want to give up Wiggins, just like GS wasnt willing to part with Klay. The Wolves tried "Leaking" info out there that both teams were willing to part with their star hoping to pit them against each other so one of them would budge, but neither were willing to, and thus created the stalemate that we have been seeing for the past month.

I think Minnesota has finally given up the hope that one of them would give in and are now ready to take the best deal for their future, one that will not include Klay or Wiggins. I think the trade will be based around Waiters/Bennett/Thompson/draft picks (which is still quite a haul for them). This will be like a stimulus package for the Wolves, giving them 2 recently drafted top 3 players, draft picks, and a decent young PF with potential, all for Love, who would be gone no matter what. Its alot better than what other teams have received for their disgruntled star who would be a FA next season.

After the trade i see the Wolves having a fire sale, looking for more young talent with potential to develop and draft picks while dumping off veterans like Martin/Pek/Brewer. They will spend all season with their young guys, trying to develop them and see what they really have (aka Stealth Tank Job). This also allows them to keep their own draft pick which is owed to us.

Rubio/LaVine/Waiters/GR3/Shabazz/Bennett/Thompson/Dieng is what they will build around and the players that will recieve the vast majority of the minutes.

[RunDogGun]

Waiters and Thompson were drafted fourth.

[navysully]

@ericsports: Source confirms that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers


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I believe this. I just don't understand why the Cavs signed Wiggins. Now they must wait a month.

Maybe because Wiggins is off the table, just like Cleveland has been saying all along.

Cleveland didnt/doesnt want to give up Wiggins, just like GS wasnt willing to part with Klay. The Wolves tried "Leaking" info out there that both teams were willing to part with their star hoping to pit them against each other so one of them would budge, but neither were willing to, and thus created the stalemate that we have been seeing for the past month.

I think Minnesota has finally given up the hope that one of them would give in and are now ready to take the best deal for their future, one that will not include Klay or Wiggins. I think the trade will be based around Waiters/Bennett/Thompson/draft picks (which is still quite a haul for them). This will be like a stimulus package for the Wolves, giving them 2 recently drafted top 3 players, draft picks, and a decent young PF with potential, all for Love, who would be gone no matter what. Its alot better than what other teams have received for their disgruntled star who would be a FA next season.

After the trade i see the Wolves having a fire sale, looking for more young talent with potential to develop and draft picks while dumping off veterans like Martin/Pek/Brewer. They will spend all season with their young guys, trying to develop them and see what they really have (aka Stealth Tank Job). This also allows them to keep their own draft pick which is owed to us.

Rubio/LaVine/Waiters/GR3/Shabazz/Bennett/Thompson/Dieng is what they will build around and the players that will recieve the vast majority of the minutes.

The other report he tweeted showed that they are looking for a 3rd team to get involved and Wiggins is part of the deal.

With that said, I wish we were part of it. I don't think we'd have a shot at Wiggins (although that would be amazing). I really wish we could use this as an avenue to do a S&T involving Bledsoe.

[RunDogGun]

La Cava has been around too long to take something out of contact like that. Bledsoe isn't bad-mouthing the Suns either. Eric Gordon WAS bad-mouthing his team and i didn't recall Suns' fan having a problem with it as long as we were the place he wanted to go.

Eric did say similar stuff about the Hornets, but I don't remember "bad mouthing them". The only difference in the situation was NOH never said they would match any offer like we did with Bledsoe. For Eric, it seemed as if being wanted was just as important as the money.

[Revived]

This loser Bledsoe is pissing me off.

Get rid of him. I don't want idiots like him on my team. I don't care how good they are. This guy is cut out of the mold of the "2014 Athlete" and I can't stand that ****. The primadonna bull is enough.

"The rules against you"?! Shut the **** up, B. What a whining ****.

Lol at Bledsoe going from "savior" to "loser" in the matter of 4 months.

Relax. It's a business. EB just wants the most money he can get and that's what anyone at that age and situation (first contract after awful rookie contract) would do.

He isn't blaming the Suns for using restricted FA against him. He understands that's the smart thing for the Suns to do.

[Phystic]

Well, I consider Marcus a PF too.

Marcus is definitely a SF but even if he was a PF him and Keif are not considered good depth. Keif is solid and he's the only real PF we have at this point.

[Phystic]

Eric Bledsoe said the Suns are using rules against him in an interview with FOX Birmingham.
It's a surprise that we're almost in August and Bledsoe hasn't come to terms or even signed an offer sheet with another team. While there isn't much of a body of work for Bledsoe, he still looks like a max-type guy based on the offers to Chandler Parsons and Gordon Hayward. There should be some progress in the next couple days or so

Not sure what Bledsoe is talking about here.

[Revived]

La Cava has been around too long to take something out of contact like that. Bledsoe isn't bad-mouthing the Suns either. Eric Gordon WAS bad-mouthing his team and i didn't recall Suns' fan having a problem with it as long as we were the place he wanted to go.

Eric did say similar stuff about the Hornets, but I don't remember "bad mouthing them". The only difference in the situation was NOH never said they would match any offer like we did with Bledsoe. For Eric, it seemed as if being wanted was just as important as the money.

Um except they did

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/2012/06/23 ... -contract/

[bwgood77]

@ericsports: Source confirms that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers


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I believe this. I just don't understand why the Cavs signed Wiggins. Now they must wait a month.

They had to do it for salary matching purposes. Wiggins signing gives them $5.5 million more to send in the trade. If they would have sent Wiggins unsigned, then they would have still had to send matching salaries to Minnesota, but it would have been tougher to come up with that hefty dollar amount to match what Love makes. From Minnesota's standpoint, it saves them money. They don't want to just take back cap filler with an unsigned Wiggins and then have to sign him for $5.5 million.

The Wolves may want to send out some expensive vets also, so a third team might be involved, if someone wants Martin and/or Pekovic and some picks or players from Cleveland. In this case, it makes it even more imperative to have Wiggins signed, because Minnesota will have a very tough time taking back Love's salary + Martin or Pekovic's if someone else gets sent out. But they could always take back less salary if the third trade partner is under the cap.

[wordsenuff]

Eric Bledsoe said the Suns are using rules against him in an interview with FOX Birmingham.
It's a surprise that we're almost in August and Bledsoe hasn't come to terms or even signed an offer sheet with another team. While there isn't much of a body of work for Bledsoe, he still looks like a max-type guy based on the offers to Chandler Parsons and Gordon Hayward. There should be some progress in the next couple days or so

at least, there's a little good news out of all this. i just want some clarity and resolve.