NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[bwgood77]

Tankathon's mock draft now has us taking him at 6.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

[Revived]

What's the connection with Trae Young and Williams / Booker?

Thing I most like about Young is that he's averaging more assists than Lonzo Ball in college 8.8 vs 7.5.

But if he keeps his numbers up he's going to be in between our picks probably in the 7-12 range.

I was trying to figure out why that summer league picture was suddenly posted, but didn't realize that was Trae Young, and I was the one who edited the thread title. That is odd.

Coach Cal from Kentucky drew them closer with a Booker story in September of last year and I'm guessing that led to Young and Booker being close.

Here's the story:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2016/9/28/13097694/trae-young-john-calipari-award-devin-booker-story

[No-Man]

Man ASU could very well make it to the FF, like if Mickey Mitchell actually is a player, that's awesome, they also would get Lawrence back soon;

Holder-Martin
Evans-Martin
Justice-Lawrence
Shibel-Mitchell
White-Lake

That's a deep and versatile team with a ton of shooting

Next year Holder, Evans and Justice are gone, but you get Rob Edwards, Cheatham and Bragg, team is gonna be much bigger;

Martin-Edwards
Lawrence-Edwards
Cheatham-Mitchell
Shibel-Bragg
White-Lake

[In2ition]

Man ASU could very well make it to the FF, like if Mickey Mitchell actually is a player, that's awesome, they also would get Lawrence back soon;

Holder-Martin
Evans-Martin
Justice-Lawrence
Shibel-Mitchell
White-Lake

That's a deep and versatile team with a ton of shooting

Next year Holder, Evans and Justice are gone, but you get Rob Edwards, Cheatham and Bragg, team is gonna be much bigger;

Martin-Edwards
Lawrence-Edwards
Cheatham-Mitchell
Shibel-Bragg
White-Lake

I thought Dort and Valtonen were their big recruits

[No-Man]

Man ASU could very well make it to the FF, like if Mickey Mitchell actually is a player, that's awesome, they also would get Lawrence back soon;

Holder-Martin
Evans-Martin
Justice-Lawrence
Shibel-Mitchell
White-Lake

That's a deep and versatile team with a ton of shooting

Next year Holder, Evans and Justice are gone, but you get Rob Edwards, Cheatham and Bragg, team is gonna be much bigger;

Martin-Edwards
Lawrence-Edwards
Cheatham-Mitchell
Shibel-Bragg
White-Lake

I thought Dort and Valtonen were their big recruits

For next year right? yeah, I dont know much about either, Valtonen didn't play in the Euros for Finland this summer and I have never seen Dort, so that's why I didn't want to add them, both seem like wing types so that could help overall

[bwgood77]

What's the connection with Trae Young and Williams / Booker?

Thing I most like about Young is that he's averaging more assists than Lonzo Ball in college 8.8 vs 7.5.

But if he keeps his numbers up he's going to be in between our picks probably in the 7-12 range.

I was trying to figure out why that summer league picture was suddenly posted, but didn't realize that was Trae Young, and I was the one who edited the thread title. That is odd.

Coach Cal from Kentucky drew them closer with a Booker story in September of last year and I'm guessing that led to Young and Booker being close.

Here's the story:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2016/9/28/13097694/trae-young-john-calipari-award-devin-booker-story

Seems like there has to be more to it than that.

[bwgood77]

Man ASU could very well make it to the FF, like if Mickey Mitchell actually is a player, that's awesome, they also would get Lawrence back soon;

Holder-Martin
Evans-Martin
Justice-Lawrence
Shibel-Mitchell
White-Lake

That's a deep and versatile team with a ton of shooting

Next year Holder, Evans and Justice are gone, but you get Rob Edwards, Cheatham and Bragg, team is gonna be much bigger;

Martin-Edwards
Lawrence-Edwards
Cheatham-Mitchell
Shibel-Bragg
White-Lake

Being an experienced team always bodes well for the tourney. A lot of the teams with one and done players often have a tough time advancing far or doing much, even with top recruits, unless they are absolute superstars like AD, or a team that's absolutely loaded with solid vets and some one and done guys (usually teams like Duke). But teams like Michigan St, Wisconsin and some of those who don't get the top few recruits usually so those guys stick around usually are tough. Even some more mid major type teams with good coaching like Wichita St or Butler with Stevens.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Good article on Bagley from the Ringer.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

[Damkac]

Watch on YouTube

[jcsunsfan]

Tankathon's mock draft now has us taking him at 6.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I would probably take him there. He checks all the boxes except defense, but then he gets 2.1 steals per game. For some reason, the analytics guys say that steals is an important predictor stat of NBA success.

[bwgood77]

Tankathon's mock draft now has us taking him at 6.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I would probably take him there. He checks all the boxes except defense, but then he gets 2.1 steals per game. For some reason, the analytics guys say that steals is an important predictor stat of NBA success.

Yes, blocks and steals are good indicators per almost all of them.

The draft is a little bit like 2009, where you had Blake Griffin, the big who could score, rebound, dunk, dominate, but wasn't great defensively (Ayton/Bagley), Thabeet who was the shot blocker who was very raw offensively (Bamba), Harden the versatile wing (Doncic), and Curry, the great shooter (Young).

I'm obviously not making direct comps, and of course there are 2 MVPs and a perennial all star there, and Bamba could obviously be a lot more than Thabeet ever was, but a few parallels in the type of draft.

Of course Tyreke Evans was the ROY and Jonny Flynn was taken before Curry too.

[jcsunsfan]

I voted Ayton, but I would be happy with Doncic.

[jcsunsfan]

Tankathon's mock draft now has us taking him at 6.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I would probably take him there. He checks all the boxes except defense, but then he gets 2.1 steals per game. For some reason, the analytics guys say that steals is an important predictor stat of NBA success.

Yes, blocks and steals are good indicators per almost all of them.

The draft is a little bit like 2009, where you had Blake Griffin, the big who could score, rebound, dunk, dominate, but wasn't great defensively (Ayton/Bagley), Thabeet who was the shot blocker who was very raw offensively (Bamba), Harden the versatile wing (Doncic), and Curry, the great shooter (Young).

I'm obviously not making direct comps, and of course there are 2 MVPs and a perennial all star there, and Bamba could obviously be a lot more than Thabeet ever was, but a few parallels in the type of draft.

Of course Tyreke Evans was the ROY and Jonny Flynn was taken before Curry too.

The 2009 draft is a fair comparison. I would take any of them except Thabeet (Bamba bust?). I know this, the player that the Suns take early in this draft should not be a long term development player. He should be plug and play. So, I think Bamba is out worst choice of that bunch.

[lilfishi22]

Bamba looks super raw to me...

[Mulhollanddrive]

Bamba and Jackson scare me as they remind me of McDonough busts - elite athletic tools with limited basketball IQ and skills. But there's a reason why GMs keep picking those players as there's a Gordon, Giannis, Gobert for our Chriss, Bender, Len.

Star Potential - Ayton, Doncic, Bagley
Injured Star Potential - Porter
Speculative Upside Athletes - Bamba, Jackson, Knox
Best Performers But Lower Ceilings - Young, Sexton, Bridges

[Blonde]

If we land any of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, Sexton, or Young I'd be thrilled. I don't have that kind of confidence in Bagley or Bamba. I don't like the idea of another "project" at this point in the rebuild because I don't believe we have the team infrastructure to allow those types of players to fully develop.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If we land any of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, Sexton, or Young I'd be thrilled. I don't have that kind of confidence in Bagley or Bamba. I don't like the idea of another "project" at this point in the rebuild because I don't believe we have the team infrastructure to allow those types of players to fully develop.

I'm beginning to wonder (along with the rest of the world) how well Bagley's game will translate. I think he will need to get bigger, stronger. Funny enough, the player I'm most apt to compare him with at this stage is actually Amare. Minus some power, plus some motor, and a couple years ahead on his jumper. But both of them primarily interior drivers/finishers.

Haven't seen much of Bamba, but I think he's a long ways off. Guys with that frame warrant additional scrutiny - and even a bit of a discount - for physical issues. Thankfully we have a young center on the roster who has a promising lack of injury history.

[In2ition]

If Miami can get into a skid where they end up picking 8th, that would be ideal. My hope is that Young is available with the Miami pick and the Suns finally luck out and are able to get Doncic, Ayton, Bagley or Porter with the Suns pick. Any combination with Young would be fantastic, imo.

[Wilber85]

TRAE YOUNG

26 POINTS 22 Assists!!!!

[Mulhollanddrive]

If he's doing this still in March he'll be top 5, I wouldn't mind Booker playing off ball a bit more.

This is what seperates Young from Brooks, Burke, Knight etc... as undersized PGs he can tally 10 APG and only needs to be an efficient shooter to have All-Star numbers (18 points, 10 assists).