Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[thamadkant]

I think I’d only sell the farm for a Zingis
4 1st Chriss and maybe we could “fix” Noah if we had to take him on.
Bender
Zingis
Warren
Jackson
Book

Porzingis (in my book) is worth more than ANYONE in the NBA.

He's not the best (yet) but he is a dream come true.... 3pt shot CHECK, Shot blocking CHECK, jump shot CHECK, athleticism CHECK, Size CHECK, mobility CHECK, youth CHECK, scoring instinct CHECK, exciting to watch CHECK.... he is the 8th wonder of the world lol... with Giannis maybe the 9th...

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Good to hear. And frankly, these young guys could use a break on offense - someone, anyone who can score down low, to get our boys some easy shots. Just because the best team in the world plays a certain doesn't mean everyone should or realistically can.

[thamadkant]

Greg Monroe knows he's too old to hang out with 23 and under year old players.... he also wants to be helping a team in the playoffs so very professional of him to say that.

[Synyster9]

Greg Monroe knows he's too old to hang out with 23 and under year old players.... he also wants to be helping a team in the playoffs so very professional of him to say that.

How is 27 too old to play with 23 year olds? It's not like he's 35 like chandler....

[thamadkant]

Greg Monroe knows he's too old to hang out with 23 and under year old players.... he also wants to be helping a team in the playoffs so very professional of him to say that.

How is 27 too old to play with 23 year olds? It's not like he's 35 like chandler....

Because Monroe knows he's not an MVP caliber player who can lead this team. He is in his prime and would rather be contributing his prime years helping out teams competing.

Easy to understand...

[AtheJ415]

Yeah, I don't think we are going to trade for a star. It's pretty rare and it's usually a good team that does it, and usually the star wants to go to that team

Totally agree about dealing a pick for a competent pg. For example, I'd love to get a pg with the Miami pick but this is a terrible draft for pgs. If there was a good solid young pg but would still be sort of a vet to these guys, I'd be all for cashing in a mid teens pick for a player like that this summer. At that point we will really need to start putting pieces together.

I like the top 2 PGs. I think one will be there with Miami's pick, because I don't have that much faith in Miami. They had a hot half a season. We had a team of BS have a full hot season in 2013. They have a very good coach but I think if Goran gets hurt even a little they will fall in the surprisingly more competitive than thought east.

It's still a crap shoot and none of these guys have even played college ball yet so no one is even close to proven. The top 5 looks clear cut and even a few players after that look like they could be solid, like Bridges and Williams. This is just not a good draft overall for point guards right now. There will probably be some players that emerge that people didn't expect and some that might be ranked higher now that fall. I mean tons of guys look good with their high school highlights. I think there is a good chance that wherever the Miami pick lands, there will be several better draft candidates than a PG, so with our team at that point do you really pass on better players to not take who looks like BPA and take a PG? It's hard to know.

The way it falls right here wouldn't be bad, if this is where two of the picks land....Bamba and Sexton. http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

And the Bucks won't finish in that spot.

If the "They haven't even played college ball yet" argument is going to be a response to any prognosis for guys in this next draft, then how can you be so sure that this draft isn't a good one for point guards. You can't simultaneously say it's a bad class while clinging to the "nobody is proven and nobody is a sure thing" logic. They are contradictory. Either you are comfortable beginning to make judgments on who you like or not based on what we do know or you aren't. You can't just pick and choose when to apply each logic.

I happen to like the top 2 pgs of this draft, and I also happen to not have the faith that you do in Miami. They are a Goran injury away from being even worse than us. Their one other "star" plays below his talent level. I realize they had a really great 2 months of hoops, but they have not replicated that since and have not.played well this year while the east has proven to be much more competitive than initially thought. I think that pick ends up somewhere 10-15, which would be in range for those pgs if projections held.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Surely there is a veteran PG who would enjoy the opportunity to take over a young, talented, underachieving team?

A few ideas from the T&T board:

Brandon Jennings
Julyan Stone
Spencer Dinwiddie (per Saberestar)

[Saberestar]

For what I have seen in the last few games, Julius Randle is close to turn the corner and probably be double/double machine on his next team. He isn't a good fit in LA because he wants the ball and they have enough offensive power with Ingram, Lopez and Kuzma in the frontcourt.

I would trade for Randle and play him at PF/C...mostly at C next to Bender. He is really strong and can handle players with size.

If he plays great we take advantage of his contract situation because he is gonna be a RFA this summer, so we can match any offer if we want him on our core. Okafor will be an UFA.

I was going to mention him too but my quandary is whether it's worth it to do it now. Maybe I'm just nervous because Len and Noel took the QO but restricted free agency doesn't excite me now. Ideally he stays with the Lakers this season and then we sign him outright and they don't match.

Also, what would the deal be? Not sure what he's worth in this situation. Since Randle is about to get paid it's not worth taking Deng's deal. Maybe Randle + Deng + a future pick for Monroe? Or just picks from us for Randle? Like a heavily protected first or a couple seconds?

To trade for Randle first I would negotiate a buyout for Monroe. After that absorb Randle's contract trading them that Mil 1st round pick (and DJJ if they want him or waive him).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I have no interest in Randle. We have two superior PF prospects.

[Blonde]

For what I have seen in the last few games, Julius Randle is close to turn the corner and probably be double/double machine on his next team. He isn't a good fit in LA because he wants the ball and they have enough offensive power with Ingram, Lopez and Kuzma in the frontcourt.

I would trade for Randle and play him at PF/C...mostly at C next to Bender. He is really strong and can handle players with size.

If he plays great we take advantage of his contract situation because he is gonna be a RFA this summer, so we can match any offer if we want him on our core. Okafor will be an UFA.

I was going to mention him too but my quandary is whether it's worth it to do it now. Maybe I'm just nervous because Len and Noel took the QO but restricted free agency doesn't excite me now. Ideally he stays with the Lakers this season and then we sign him outright and they don't match.

Also, what would the deal be? Not sure what he's worth in this situation. Since Randle is about to get paid it's not worth taking Deng's deal. Maybe Randle + Deng + a future pick for Monroe? Or just picks from us for Randle? Like a heavily protected first or a couple seconds?

To trade for Randle first I would negotiate a buyout for Monroe. After that absorb Randle's contract trading them that Mil 1st round pick (and DJJ if they want him or waive him).

Monroe for Randle + Clarkson? Not sure how Lakers value Clarkson but would be useful for us. The contract length hurts but maybe he could use a change of scenery to take the next step. He's got good size and can play with Booker. Not totally sure if either team would consider this but it works salary wise.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Okafor it is, then. I surrender.

[Blonde]

I have no interest in Randle. We have two superior PF prospects.

Not sure I agree that Chriss is a better prospect than Randle, but I accept the possibility. I like Randle's potential as a bench center. I'm not even a Randle fan but he's a good rebounder and passer and plays with a ton of energy.

[alldayeveryday]

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[RaisingArizona]

Very interested in seeing where we go from here. Would love something out of left field like a godfather type offer for someone like Fox.

[Saberestar]

I was going to mention him too but my quandary is whether it's worth it to do it now. Maybe I'm just nervous because Len and Noel took the QO but restricted free agency doesn't excite me now. Ideally he stays with the Lakers this season and then we sign him outright and they don't match.

Also, what would the deal be? Not sure what he's worth in this situation. Since Randle is about to get paid it's not worth taking Deng's deal. Maybe Randle + Deng + a future pick for Monroe? Or just picks from us for Randle? Like a heavily protected first or a couple seconds?

To trade for Randle first I would negotiate a buyout for Monroe. After that absorb Randle's contract trading them that Mil 1st round pick (and DJJ if they want him or waive him).

Monroe for Randle + Clarkson? Not sure how Lakers value Clarkson but would be useful for us. The contract length hurts but maybe he could use a change of scenery to take the next step. He's got good size and can play with Booker. Not totally sure if either team would consider this but it works salary wise.

It's an interesting offer, but I am not sure about Clarkson. Good scorer coming from the bench ala Lou Williams, but not more than that IMO. I probably would accept the trade, but I am not in love with the idea.

[bwgood77]

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/11/09/reports-phoenix-suns-may-have-interest-jahlil-okafor-philadelphia-76ers#/

Nothing too new but still

This is kind of new:

As for Monroe, Pompey reports the Suns may be looking to trade him or buy him out of his contract soon:

Don’t count on the Sixers taking Monroe in any potential deal with the Suns. The Sixers have around $15 million available in cap space. A chunk of that money is expected to go to Robert Covington, whose contract can be renegotiated as early as Nov. 15. As a result, the Sixers’ cap space is not in play for any deal.

The Suns could, however, offer one of their protected draft picks and/or someone with a salary comparable to Okafor’s $4.9 million. The Sixers could agree to take someone like Alex Len. He’s making $4.1 million in the final year of his deal.

I didn't think the Sixers would want Monroe's salary but I had mentioned they could absorb his contract in a trade. As for Len, I doubt he'd approve one there with Embiid there and Amir Johnson. He'd probably play less and I doubt the Sixers would want to keep him anyway, so they probably wouldn't want him at all. They also have Richaun Holmes.

On another note, I can't believe Ben Simmons is averaging 17.8, 10 and 8. I mean that's got to be the closest to a triple double by a rookie ever, or at least in a very very long time. I guess he's not technically a rookie but his first year playing (maybe considering he can by ROTY, he is technically a rookie according to the NBA).

Len will likely be better off with a player like Simmons who is the type of player who makes his team mates better.
Len as Embiid's backup they can then move Amir as PF backup or when they go big. Embiid's health is just not trust worthy at the moment.. well his legs anyways. I think he'll be playing 60-70 games mostly in his career, as more mileage accumulate on those knees he will be sore more often. Basically, opportunities for Len and Amir.

Suns need an interior scorer young enough to grow with the timeline. Okafor is a 1.5-2 bpg type of big man I think eventually.... he is an under rated shot blocker, he's got massive wingspan.

They have a ton of forwards and already play big. They start Simmons/Redick/Covington/Saric/Embiid and spread the floor around Simmons or Bayless or McConnell with Embiid or Johnson in the middle. Johnson's a lot better than Len. I don't see it happening.

[bwgood77]

Very interested in seeing where we go from here. Would love something out of left field like a godfather type offer for someone like Fox.

Fox has been awful. Terrible shooting %. TS% is 46.4% and eFG is 43.1%. From 3 23.1%. And he's even been worse defensively. We really need a PG who can shoot from the outside with TJ and JJ at the 3. JJ has been ok from 3 so far but I am not sure if it will hold up.

[bwgood77]

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Not sure I want to listen to Haynes and Elhassan talk about the Suns.

[alldayeveryday]

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Not sure I want to listen to Haynes and Elhassan talk about the Suns.

Kudos to Watson for holding his ground on questions they were asking. He took the high route and kept it in-house.

Yes, Haynes and Elhassan are clowns.