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Who would you rather take at 16 if one of these guys slipped?

Collin Sexton
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Post#721 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:25 pm

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He has skill, it's just that he is a bit weird in that he plays like a big man. He gets a ton of rebounds, blocks, and steals, and crashes the glass. A huge amount of putbacks for a non-big. He is good at setting picks and operates really well from the FT line area and in. Cuts well off the ball. He needs to work on his jumper but it is far from broken. He hit 3s at a good clip on low volume and you can tell he is tweaking it in draft prep.

I think he may end up the best perimeter defender in this draft and is arguably a top 3 athlete of everyone. His upside lies with his jumper and developing offensively off the dribble, which is going to take some work, but that is the same skill set a lot of defensive-oriented athletes coming out had (like Jimmy Butler, for instance). Smith and Jackson guarding on the perimeter would be a big boost to our defense as a team.

Also, I think from a value perspective he ought to go top 12 so if he does fall to 16, I will be upset if we pass on him unless for maybe SGA if he falls.
This is a great breakdown of smith! He's not the safest prospect but if he develops he could be a two way problem and a very unique player.

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That's the kind of prospect I will miss on. Tons of athlete, lacks shooting, ball handling, and playmaking skill - basically basketball skills. It's a Russ scenario. He is growing on me to the point where I would be fine selecting him. I just personally may want a more skilled, lower cieling guy at that point.
Thats a fair stance to take. Heck if i liked some of the safer guys more I might lean that way too, I'm just not that enamoured with many guys after about 12 this year.

One encouraging thing with smith is he seems to have a good bbiq that many of these athletes lack.

He kind of reminds me of a shorter OG Anoby.

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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#722 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:29 pm

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Archx wrote:This is getting super awkward now. It is slowly becoming a paradox. After basically all statistic analyses Doncic is BPA in this draft. Ryan said many times they just want to draft BPA. Yet 99% of mock drafts have Ayton on top....

And i don't care about potential here. Because a 19yo with super high BBIQ and a proven championship mentality will not reach lower ceiling than another 19yo who's motor is being questioned. Just doesn't make any sense.

At this point i am not favoring anyone because i know pro's and con's if any of them gets drafted, it is just funny to read/listen/watch interviews, analyses and everything that comes along with it.

Ugh, few more days :banghead:


The eye test is tangible and all of the advanced analytics are not. Analytics doesn't tell you if he can beat elite one on one defense and that is what concerns people. The Suns take BOTH into account.

No one needs to see advanced numbers to identify that Ayton is a monster.


The eye test on Doncic is so much better than the one on Ayton.



Come on man. You know Ayton is elite, Doncic is not. Doncic is mostly skill driven and he needs to show a little more ability to dominate outside of passing. His shooting numbers are not elite. He isn't blowing by people and breaking ankles with his herky jerky shifty pump fakes and step backs.....that's why he is falling. There isn't anyone Ayton's size doing anything like he is doing on the court. I am sure you read Fran's quote about being in BBall for 59 years and Ayton blew him away.

Doncic is a scary proposition. Bagley is elite. Bamba has elite length. JJJ is elite. MPJ is elite and Trae's shooting and passing is elit (check his free throws for Doncic before you talk about difference in college threes vs Euro).
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#723 » by SlovenianDragon » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:30 pm

People see what they see when it comes to prospects.

Doncic can miss a 3pt shot by 15 feet and people will come to his defense and say there was a fly on his face.

I don't get the hype for doncic from what ive seen but the people defending his weaknesses are nuts....

He shouldn't be top 5.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#724 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:37 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:People see what they see when it comes to prospects.

Doncic can miss a 3pt shot by 15 feet and people will come to his defense and say there was a fly on his face.

I don't get the hype for doncic from what ive seen but the people defending his weaknesses are nuts....

He shouldn't be top 5.



Again, that isn't the problem. People continue to say they are concerned about how he will translate physically, forget his lack of shooting, that's another issue. If Doncic was a better athlete and shooter, he'd be number without a doubt.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#725 » by SlovenianDragon » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:44 pm

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SlovenianDragon wrote:People see what they see when it comes to prospects.

Doncic can miss a 3pt shot by 15 feet and people will come to his defense and say there was a fly on his face.

I don't get the hype for doncic from what ive seen but the people defending his weaknesses are nuts....

He shouldn't be top 5.



Again, that isn't the problem. People continue to say they are concerned about how he will translate physically, forget his lack of shooting, that's another issue. If Doncic was a better athlete and shooter, he'd be number without a doubt.


I see him going somewhere between 6-10 but even then id consider it a gamble. I dont think hes a star. He could be a decent starter or a role player.

I dont think his potential is high but i also dont see him being a complete bust.

Overall I wouldnt draft him. I get more of a role player vibe.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#726 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:46 pm

JMac1 wrote:I wouldn't trade up to get him, that means someone has to fall. What's the deal with Shai? I haven't heard too much from him.


He got a promise from a team and shut down all workouts. He hasnt worked out for any team. I read somewhere (And Believe) that its the Hornets at #11.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#727 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:46 pm

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SlovenianDragon wrote:People see what they see when it comes to prospects.

Doncic can miss a 3pt shot by 15 feet and people will come to his defense and say there was a fly on his face.

I don't get the hype for doncic from what ive seen but the people defending his weaknesses are nuts....

He shouldn't be top 5.



Again, that isn't the problem. People continue to say they are concerned about how he will translate physically, forget his lack of shooting, that's another issue. If Doncic was a better athlete and shooter, he'd be number without a doubt.


I see him going somewhere between 6-10 but even then id consider it a gamble. I dont think hes a star. He could be a decent starter or a role player.


I dont think his potential is high but i also dont see him being a complete bust.

Overall I wouldnt draft him. I get more of a role player vibe.



I think he can become a star if he can create one on one separation against elite defenders, but I don't want to take that chance. Way too many Harden step backs versus drives.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#728 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:48 pm

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JMac1 wrote:I wouldn't trade up to get him, that means someone has to fall. What's the deal with Shai? I haven't heard too much from him.


He got a promise from a team and shut down all workouts. He hasnt worked out for any team. I read somewhere (And Believe) that its the Hornets at #11.



Seems like a MJ guy. Draft is gonna be wild!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#729 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:54 pm

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JMac1 wrote:I wouldn't trade up to get him, that means someone has to fall. What's the deal with Shai? I haven't heard too much from him.


He got a promise from a team and shut down all workouts. He hasnt worked out for any team. I read somewhere (And Believe) that its the Hornets at #11.



Seems like a MJ guy. Draft is gonna be wild!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was reading on how the Hornets really like the fit with him and Monk.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#730 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:55 pm

Here is probably one of my favorites for #16 or #31.

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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#731 » by Archx » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:01 am

JMac1 wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:People see what they see when it comes to prospects.

Doncic can miss a 3pt shot by 15 feet and people will come to his defense and say there was a fly on his face.

I don't get the hype for doncic from what ive seen but the people defending his weaknesses are nuts....

He shouldn't be top 5.



Again, that isn't the problem. People continue to say they are concerned about how he will translate physically, forget his lack of shooting, that's another issue. If Doncic was a better athlete and shooter, he'd be number without a doubt.


Now this is what i 100% agree with you. And that's why i came to realisation long time ago that Ayton will be nr1 pick. Doncic has, in my opinion, about 2 good years of hard gym training ahead of him before he starts reaching his true potential. Unless he finds a way to somehow dominate in a different way from the start.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#732 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:03 am

.....and here are a few others i see people naming....

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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#733 » by jredsaz » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:14 am

Kerrsed wrote:Here is probably one of my favorites for #16 or #31.

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Post#734 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:15 am

Kerrsed wrote:Here is probably one of my favorites for #16 or #31.

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I like him but his assist rate and ast/to ratio are pretty bad.

I think Okobo is the guy I want. I know a lot of Bucks fans are hoping they take him at 17.
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Post#735 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:24 am

bwgood77 wrote:I like him but his assist rate and ast/to ratio are pretty bad.


Well he was playing SG in college.
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Post#736 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:26 am

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bwgood77 wrote:I like him but his assist rate and ast/to ratio are pretty bad.


Well he was playing SG in college.


That's why I didn't just look at assists, but also ast/to ratio. If they think he can be a good playmaker, fine. Westbrook played SG in college too.
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Post#737 » by kennydorglas » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:27 am

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Post#739 » by Mjee » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:08 am

bigfoot wrote:
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Archx wrote:This is getting super awkward now. It is slowly becoming a paradox. After basically all statistic analyses Doncic is BPA in this draft. Ryan said many times they just want to draft BPA. Yet 99% of mock drafts have Ayton on top....

And i don't care about potential here. Because a 19yo with super high BBIQ and a proven championship mentality will not reach lower ceiling than another 19yo who's motor is being questioned. Just doesn't make any sense.

At this point i am not favoring anyone because i know pro's and con's if any of them gets drafted, it is just funny to read/listen/watch interviews, analyses and everything that comes along with it.

Ugh, few more days :banghead:


The eye test is tangible and all of the advanced analytics are not. Analytics doesn't tell you if he can beat elite one on one defense and that is what concerns people. The Suns take BOTH into account.

No one needs to see advanced numbers to identify that Ayton is a monster.


The eye test on Doncic is so much better than the one on Ayton.



I 100% disagree!!!!!!

I am at my cousins graduation and not only was he a D1 basketball player who played against Ayton .... he has also worked out for GS, SAC, ATL, BKL during pre draft workouts (I obv won’t say his name but he’s a west coast Player) ......

I say who would you take at #1 !???.....
Ayton 100%

He said that Although the Spanish league is good, it’s not like it used to be !!! And his old teammate plays with Luka at real (or used to) and that as an 18 year old he’s got some extremely bad habits (poor diet, partying, kind of an **** at times) ...... says that the NCAA tournament is the same intensity as a regular season game in Spain ..... at #1 you don’t take risks .....

Not to be disrespectful.... but take it for what it’s worth! My cousin knows more **** than most people watching film tape.
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Post#740 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:16 am

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The eye test is tangible and all of the advanced analytics are not. Analytics doesn't tell you if he can beat elite one on one defense and that is what concerns people. The Suns take BOTH into account.

No one needs to see advanced numbers to identify that Ayton is a monster.


The eye test on Doncic is so much better than the one on Ayton.



I 100% disagree!!!!!!

I am at my cousins graduation and not only was he a D1 basketball player who played against Ayton .... he has also worked out for GS, SAC, ATL, BKL during pre draft workouts (I obv won’t say his name but he’s a west coast Player) ......

I say who would you take at #1 !???.....
Ayton 100%

He said that Although the Spanish league is good, it’s not like it used to be !!! And his old teammate plays with Luka at real (or used to) and that as an 18 year old he’s got some extremely bad habits (poor diet, partying, kind of an **** at times) ...... says that the NCAA tournament is the same intensity as a regular season game in Spain ..... at #1 you don’t take risks .....

Not to be disrespectful.... but take it for what it’s worth! My cousin knows more **** than most people watching film tape.


Yup, i heard Doncic LOVES fast food and thats all he eats.

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And here is a young Doncic after eating 3/4ths of his cake in one sitting!

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Can you imagine how many lbs he will pack on once finally being in America, with 4 fast food places on every corner! RED FLAG!!
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