2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[kennydorglas]

BEST CENTERS ... PLAYING AT LEAST 658 MINUTES


WORST CENTERS ... PLAYING AT LEAST 658 MINUTES


EVERYBODY ON THE SUNS ... PLAYING AT LEAST 1 MINUTE


Real numbers that support the eye test that Ayton doesn't play defense, isn't that great on offense, and is frankly lazy and overpaid

why people constantly bash this dude?

[King4Day]

This tells me that perhaps the Bucks just want to make sure his head is on straight and that if they trade for him, he'll re-sign with them.
If so, they'll be more willing to give up someone like Nwora (or whoever the Suns want that they've been reluctant to send back to us)

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[BobbieL]

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Damn you beat me to it... this was from the Shams article

[b]Meanwhile, the two players whose names have been part of trade talks since the early part of the season are Phoenix Suns forward Jae Crowder and Atlanta Hawks big man John Collins. It’s expected both teams will continue strong dialogue regarding both as Feb. 9 nears.

In a new development, the Suns have given permission to the Bucks to meet with Crowder, league sources tell The Athletic. The Bucks are believed to be the only team that has received permission to visit one-on-one with Crowder, those sources have also indicated. Multiple teams, including the Miami Heat and Hawks, remain interested in Crowder, who is seen by championship-contending teams as a fortifying acquisition at the deadline.

Both the Suns and Bucks have engaged in serious trade talks for months, with current proposals surrounding Jordan Nwora, George Hill, Serge Ibaka and second-round draft compensation to Phoenix for Crowder, according to sources. The Bucks and Suns have searched for a third team to provide Phoenix with a forward – so what outcome will emerge between now and next Thursday?
Meanwhile, the two players whose names have been part of trade talks since the early part of the season are Phoenix Suns forward Jae Crowder and Atlanta Hawks big man John Collins. It’s expected both teams will continue strong dialogue regarding both as Feb. 9 nears.

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As for the trade - if thats the best the Suns can do is Hill, Ibama and Nwora - well thats the best they can do. Second rounders are fine. Granted, I would actually prefer they use those assets from the Bucks to flip to a 3rd team Granted, could HIll help the Suns if you flip Payne in some other type of dead.

Also this was at the bottom:

Toronto Raptors
The Knicks and Suns are among the interested suitors in Raptors forward O.G. Anunoby, sources say. New York has shown a willingness to offer multiple first-round picks for Anunoby, according to those sources. The Suns, meanwhile, have control of all of their first-round picks — eight in total —through 2030. SNY first reported the Knicks’ interest last week.

[BobbieL]

The Ringer has these trades - one is Suns related:

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Phoenix gets: OG Anunoby
Toronto gets: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, and three unprotected first-round picks (2024, 2026, and 2028)


What about if the Suns could flip Crowder to the Bucks for the aforementioned deal of Hill, Ibaka and Nwora - take those players and multiple second rounders and take one FRP off the board for OG Anunoby? I would feel a little bit better

[King4Day]

The Ringer has these trades - one is Suns related:

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Phoenix gets: OG Anunoby
Toronto gets: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, and three unprotected first-round picks (2024, 2026, and 2028)


What about if the Suns could flip Crowder to the Bucks for the aforementioned deal of Hill, Ibaka and Nwora - take those players and multiple second rounders and take one FRP off the board for OG Anunoby? I would feel a little bit better

I think the question becomes, would you trade a first for Nwora, Hill, Ibaka, and a 2nd? I don't know how impactful Hill and Ibaka are at this stage of their careers (I imagine not very), and am just not familiar enough with Nwora. Might be unlikely Toronto would find value in them.
I don't like the idea of giving up 3 firsts for OG when he's not a game changer, but, not having to add pick swaps is pretty important.

[BobbieL]

The Ringer has these trades - one is Suns related:

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Phoenix gets: OG Anunoby
Toronto gets: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, and three unprotected first-round picks (2024, 2026, and 2028)


What about if the Suns could flip Crowder to the Bucks for the aforementioned deal of Hill, Ibaka and Nwora - take those players and multiple second rounders and take one FRP off the board for OG Anunoby? I would feel a little bit better

I think the question becomes, would you trade a first for Nwora, Hill, Ibaka, and a 2nd? I don't know how impactful Hill and Ibaka are at this stage of their careers (I imagine not very), and am just not familiar enough with Nwora. Might be unlikely Toronto would find value in them.
I don't like the idea of giving up 3 firsts for OG when he's not a game changer, but, not having to add pick swaps is pretty important.

You make a fair point but three FRPs for OG seems like a lot. I do know he and Bridges on the wings would be fabulous defense. You could bring Cam off the bench. And if need be, you could run out Booker, Cam, Mikal, OG and Ayton in the right scenario.

So my version of the trade:

TOR: Saric, Hill, Nwora, Ibaka 2 fRPs from the Suns, two SRPs from the Bucks
MIL: Crowder
SUNS: OG

[Crives]

The Ringer has these trades - one is Suns related:

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Phoenix gets: OG Anunoby
Toronto gets: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, and three unprotected first-round picks (2024, 2026, and 2028)


What about if the Suns could flip Crowder to the Bucks for the aforementioned deal of Hill, Ibaka and Nwora - take those players and multiple second rounders and take one FRP off the board for OG Anunoby? I would feel a little bit better

I think the question becomes, would you trade a first for Nwora, Hill, Ibaka, and a 2nd? I don't know how impactful Hill and Ibaka are at this stage of their careers (I imagine not very), and am just not familiar enough with Nwora. Might be unlikely Toronto would find value in them.
I don't like the idea of giving up 3 firsts for OG when he's not a game changer, but, not having to add pick swaps is pretty important.

No way OG returns 3 unprotected firsts.

[Crives]

You only bring OG in if the future of the team is Booker at PG, so you can start Mikal/OG/Cam/Ayton…. I’ve been thinking adding a 4 instead of 1 to replace CP3 as he ages might make more sense…. But I don’t think OG is that guy, need a 4 with better offensive potential to offset no true PG in lineup

[BobbieL]

You only bring OG in if the future of the team is Booker at PG, so you can start Mikal/OG/Cam/Ayton…. I’ve been thinking adding a 4 instead of 1 to replace CP3 as he ages might make more sense…. But I don’t think OG is that guy, need a 4 with better offensive potential to offset no true PG in lineup

After the trade I posted above - I wonder if the Twolves would be interested in this type of trade - since rosterbating and the idea of Nwora and two buyouts for Crowder isn't that great soo....

MIN: Shamet Payne Nwora, Hill, Ibaka Suns FRP (protected to the lottery in 2024) and 2 Seconds from the Bucks

MILW: Crowde3r

Suns: D'Lo

Russell off the bench for the rest of the year wouldn't be bad. Payne and Shamet are not consistent enough. Who knows how Paul plays out next year

[Crives]

You only bring OG in if the future of the team is Booker at PG, so you can start Mikal/OG/Cam/Ayton…. I’ve been thinking adding a 4 instead of 1 to replace CP3 as he ages might make more sense…. But I don’t think OG is that guy, need a 4 with better offensive potential to offset no true PG in lineup

After the trade I posted above - I wonder if the Twolves would be interested in this type of trade - since rosterbating and the idea of Nwora and two buyouts for Crowder isn't that great soo....

MIN: Shamet Payne Nwora, Hill, Ibaka Suns FRP (protected to the lottery in 2024) and 2 Seconds from the Bucks

MILW: Crowde3r

Suns: D'Lo

Russell off the bench for the rest of the year wouldn't be bad. Payne and Shamet are not consistent enough. Who knows how Paul plays out next year

Minny might prefer crowder themselves, if we want Dlo I doubt it’s a 3 teamer

[BobbieL]

You only bring OG in if the future of the team is Booker at PG, so you can start Mikal/OG/Cam/Ayton…. I’ve been thinking adding a 4 instead of 1 to replace CP3 as he ages might make more sense…. But I don’t think OG is that guy, need a 4 with better offensive potential to offset no true PG in lineup

After the trade I posted above - I wonder if the Twolves would be interested in this type of trade - since rosterbating and the idea of Nwora and two buyouts for Crowder isn't that great soo....

MIN: Shamet Payne Nwora, Hill, Ibaka Suns FRP (protected to the lottery in 2024) and 2 Seconds from the Bucks

MILW: Crowde3r

Suns: D'Lo

Russell off the bench for the rest of the year wouldn't be bad. Payne and Shamet are not consistent enough. Who knows how Paul plays out next year

Minny might prefer crowder themselves, if we want Dlo I doubt it’s a 3 teamer

All I know is the Suns need somebody that can get them 15 to 18 off the bench - even if Booker is back. ShamPayne have not shown that ability. Russell might be a short term fix - might even be a longer term fix.

Saric, Shamet,. Crowder, Payne - I get Shamet is owed $10m next year but the rest are basically expiring. Not sure what Nwora Hill and Ibaka do for the suns

[WeekapaugGroove]

The Ringer has these trades - one is Suns related:

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Phoenix gets: OG Anunoby
Toronto gets: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, and three unprotected first-round picks (2024, 2026, and 2028)


What about if the Suns could flip Crowder to the Bucks for the aforementioned deal of Hill, Ibaka and Nwora - take those players and multiple second rounders and take one FRP off the board for OG Anunoby? I would feel a little bit better

I really like OG but I'm not sure I like him enough to absorb the risk of 3 unprotected picks.

And no I don't think anyone is giving up anything for Hill, Ibaka, Nowra. That's the poo poo platter salary filler even if some of the names are recognizable.



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[Crives]

After the trade I posted above - I wonder if the Twolves would be interested in this type of trade - since rosterbating and the idea of Nwora and two buyouts for Crowder isn't that great soo....

MIN: Shamet Payne Nwora, Hill, Ibaka Suns FRP (protected to the lottery in 2024) and 2 Seconds from the Bucks

MILW: Crowde3r

Suns: D'Lo

Russell off the bench for the rest of the year wouldn't be bad. Payne and Shamet are not consistent enough. Who knows how Paul plays out next year

Minny might prefer crowder themselves, if we want Dlo I doubt it’s a 3 teamer

All I know is the Suns need somebody that can get them 15 to 18 off the bench - even if Booker is back. ShamPayne have not shown that ability. Russell might be a short term fix - might even be a longer term fix.

Saric, Shamet,. Crowder, Payne - I get Shamet is owed $10m next year but the rest are basically expiring. Not sure what Nwora Hill and Ibaka do for the suns

Agree, I think Rozier/FVV/Dlo make the most sense.. but if CP3 content transitioning to 6th man to take that role, we could play point Book

[BobbieL]

Minny might prefer crowder themselves, if we want Dlo I doubt it’s a 3 teamer

All I know is the Suns need somebody that can get them 15 to 18 off the bench - even if Booker is back. ShamPayne have not shown that ability. Russell might be a short term fix - might even be a longer term fix.

Saric, Shamet,. Crowder, Payne - I get Shamet is owed $10m next year but the rest are basically expiring. Not sure what Nwora Hill and Ibaka do for the suns

Agree, I think Rozier/FVV/Dlo make the most sense.. but if CP3 content transitioning to 6th man to take that role, we could play point Book

Rest of this season - Russell hangs at Bookers houses, Book drives him to work for home games and Russell comes off the bench as a hired scorer; maybe playing the 1 with Booker, the 2 with CP3

Than this summer, figure out Paul, figure out Russell longer term and go from there.

Would the Mavs give up a FRP to the Twolves for D'Lo if they can move players like Finney-Smith and Powell plus filler

[RedIndian]

3 1sts for Anunoby is crazy talk. Raptors fans like to believe that there is Kawhi like explosion just waiting to happen from Anunoby, but the fact is that he's been given more shots over the last 2 years and he's only managed about 17 ppg on middling efficiency and negative A/TO ratio. Bridges is actually more efficient and less turnover prone, and a better 3 point shooter.

Defensively, OG is good, but he's never been the most durable. I might consider two protected 1sts, but three 1sts is something you keep in the bag for when a legit star is available.

[NE1Care]

Is it me or would it be a slap in the face to have let a player sit out all season (one that we have been plagued with injuries and desperately needed players) to result in Jordan Nwora, George Hill, Serge Ibaka, and second-round draft?

I would have rather taken a poor trade before the season started. At least we would have had bodies and not uncertainty. The hope we were sold was to wait for an equal or better deal. JJ has indeed painted himself in a corner if this is the result. With deals like this, you hope there is more going to happen and that JJ is playing chess but after the smoke settles we realize he can not even master checkers.

[Saberestar]

Nwora, George Hill, Ibaka and some 2nd round pick for Crowder....WHAT A TERRIBLE OFFER.

Those three players are useless because they are worse than our best 14 players, Torrey Craig looks like a **** All-Star next to any of those three.

The Suns needs to find a good player available on a third team and get him, we need only one player for Crowder but a useful one.

[Saberestar]

The Ringer has these trades - one is Suns related:

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Phoenix gets: OG Anunoby
Toronto gets: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, and three unprotected first-round picks (2024, 2026, and 2028)


What about if the Suns could flip Crowder to the Bucks for the aforementioned deal of Hill, Ibaka and Nwora - take those players and multiple second rounders and take one FRP off the board for OG Anunoby? I would feel a little bit better

I think the question becomes, would you trade a first for Nwora, Hill, Ibaka, and a 2nd? I don't know how impactful Hill and Ibaka are at this stage of their careers (I imagine not very), and am just not familiar enough with Nwora. Might be unlikely Toronto would find value in them.
I don't like the idea of giving up 3 firsts for OG when he's not a game changer, but, not having to add pick swaps is pretty important.

They are done, that's why they aren't rotation players anymore and at their age they will just retire after this season.