2014 Official FA Thread

[DRK]

Below average starting PF? Gurl you crazy.

Kenneth Fareid

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Channing Frye

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Markieff Morris

Are you saying that Faried and Frye are better players than Kieff?

[sunsbum]

I would take keef over 10 - 12 of those names and then there's the argument of is this guy a good fit for the suns system. Off the top of my head I would say Love, LMA and Ryan Anderson would better, maybe a couple more. Anthony Davis ain't no PF either.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Are you saying that Faried and Frye are better players than Kieff?

Not really sure. Do you think it's absurd? Frye was the starter, after all, and is better in at least some important respects (interior D, shooting).

[Sunsss]

How about signing Okafor for cheap? I know he hasn't stepped foot in Phoenix, but we have probably the most knowledge about him.

[jcsunsfan]

OK. I am crazy I know, but what about Melo. I have been totally against it up until now. He is a 45% shooter overall and 40% from the three. With a little better shot selection, he could be 47-8 and 42. He rebounds ok for a SF at 6.5-7 per game. Could Jeff Hornacek convince him to meld into a team game? --especially if he had Bledsoe and Dragic around him?

Melo does play decent D when he wants to. He is like Barkley was that way. Its not like Nash, where he wasn't physcally capable of it.

[BurningHeart]

OK. I am crazy I know, but what about Melo.

No.

[DirtyDez]

Wilbon pimping Melo to PHX on PTI. Only way I go for it is if Love is coming to create a Big 3...

Dragic/Twins for Love, sign Melo or do a S&T with the Knicks. Re-sign Tucker/Frye and match any offer-sheet for Bledsoe. That team would have great depth and leadership. Instantly a top-3 team in the west and legit title contender. At this point of his career Melo wants and needs a championship more than anything and Love is instantly the best player he's ever played with (and vice versa).

[asubennett]

I don't understand the love for Love at all. Stat machine? Yes. But have you people watched him play? The most impressive thing about Love is his outlet passing. If we sell the farm for Love I will be highly disappointed.
This league has changed. The only truly positive impact big's have on the NBA game these days is defensively and on the glass.

This is a PG driven league. We have two stud PG's. Melo would be a great fit. I would love to see a lineup of

Bled
Dragic
Melo
Keif (No More 6th Man)
Plumlee

If you have watched Melo play and have watched Love play. It is no contest who the better and more valuable ball player is.

[King4Day]

I don't understand the love for Love at all. Stat machine? Yes. But have you people watched him play? The most impressive thing about Love is his outlet passing. If we sell the farm for Love I will be highly disappointed.
This league has changed. The only truly positive impact big's have on the NBA game these days is defensively and on the glass.

This is a PG driven league. We have two stud PG's. Melo would be a great fit. I would love to see a lineup of

Bled
Dragic
Melo
Keif (No More 6th Man)
Plumlee

If you have watched Melo play and have watched Love play. It is no contest who the better and more valuable ball player is.

Yea I'm starting to get on the Melo bandwagon. If we can get him, we would have 3 elite scorers. Allow another year for Len to develop an he could be the rebounder we need.
That would at least get us through Dragic' prime.

[BobbieL]

I don't understand the love for Love at all. Stat machine? Yes. But have you people watched him play? The most impressive thing about Love is his outlet passing. If we sell the farm for Love I will be highly disappointed.
This league has changed. The only truly positive impact big's have on the NBA game these days is defensively and on the glass.

This is a PG driven league. We have two stud PG's. Melo would be a great fit. I would love to see a lineup of

Bled
Dragic
Melo
Keif (No More 6th Man)
Plumlee

If you have watched Melo play and have watched Love play. It is no contest who the better and more valuable ball player is.

Yea I'm starting to get on the Melo bandwagon. If we can get him, we would have 3 elite scorers. Allow another year for Len to develop an he could be the rebounder we need.
That would at least get us through Dragic' prime.

Carmelo would demand the double team - that's for sure. And he can score the basketball.

Sign and trade options - well, not sure about that. Knicks want to dump Felton - but he has a couple years left so to me, not worth taking. Granted, small dollars, under $4m. I could do Felton but not Smith. Can't stand JR Smith. Would Bledsoe want NYC? Big market, big dollars/

Carmelo wouldn't be a bad move

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Carmelo works with our team, but would he be willing to change his style of play to come to Phx? More importantly, would he be okay with going from the biggest market to a small-mid market? How would he feel about joining the competitive conference (decreasing his odds of advancing in the playoffs)?

He'd be a tremendous fit, and I'm sure Hornacek's smart enough to be able to accommodate his strengths. But getting Melo should mean getting rid of the MoBros. They're similar in body type, and Markieff is best operating out of the high post. We would have to trade for a 4 who's better defensively and on the glass to pair with Melo in the front court. No question about that in my mind.

[BobbieL]

Carmelo works with our team, but would he be willing to change his style of play to come to Phx? More importantly, would he be okay with going from the biggest market to a small-mid market? How would he feel about joining the competitive conference (decreasing his odds of advancing in the playoffs)?

He'd be a tremendous fit, and I'm sure Hornacek's smart enough to be able to accommodate his strengths. But getting Melo should mean getting rid of the MoBros. They're similar in body type, and Markieff is best operating out of the high post. We would have to trade for a 4 who's better defensively and on the glass to pair with Melo in the front court. No question about that in my mind.

You are right on - if you were to get Carmelo , the Morris twins would need to be moved and a more true 4 would be needed - defense and rebounding type of 4 player. Tucker and Anthony would not fit as your starters.

Would Bledsoe and the Morris twins for Anthony and say Felton work if it is deemed Bledsoe does not want to play in Phoenix - Felton just helps the Knicks cap space. Probably can include a future first rounder - not the Lakers pick but the Suns pick as with Melo, this is probably a playoff team. Now, the Suns could probably do a deal of say the Morris twins, Frye and picks - if the Knicks wanted something of value leaving the Suns with Goran, Carmelo and Bledsoe - that's not bad.

If you move Bledsoe in a deal - probably opens some cap space for a free agent PF type.

Love may or may not be an option. And of Deng, Hayward or Carmelo - no contest which is the best player. Granted, also the costliest. Suns do have options with cap space, movable contracts and draft picks to get a very good player.

[jcsunsfan]

Carmelo works with our team, but would he be willing to change his style of play to come to Phx? More importantly, would he be okay with going from the biggest market to a small-mid market? How would he feel about joining the competitive conference (decreasing his odds of advancing in the playoffs)?

He'd be a tremendous fit, and I'm sure Hornacek's smart enough to be able to accommodate his strengths. But getting Melo should mean getting rid of the MoBros. They're similar in body type, and Markieff is best operating out of the high post. We would have to trade for a 4 who's better defensively and on the glass to pair with Melo in the front court. No question about that in my mind.

I can see why Houston wants Melo. He would fit well with Dwight. I had always hated the idea of Melo, who I saw as an inefficient black hole that made his teams worse and not better. However, his shooting percentages are not bad, and could be improved significantly with a little better shot selection. He can defend when he wants to (like Charles used to do). He can opt out.

I always hate the "small-mid market" comments. Phoenix is not a small market. It is also a very desirable place to live with lots of sports figures making the valley home. Its not NY, but its not OKC, SanAntonoi, or Memphis either.

Not sold on the idea, but at least considering it.

He can opt out after all and likely will. We will have the space to sign him outright.

[JMac1]

I always hate the "small-mid market" comments. Phoenix is not a small market. It is also a very desirable place to live with lots of sports figures making the valley home. Its not NY, but its not OKC, SanAntonoi, or Memphis either.

People give Phoenix no love in anything

NY
LA
Chi
Boston
DC
Philly
San Fran
Toronto

are truly the only "large market" teams.

Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Miami

^^^^^^^^ On the verge of big, but big to me means an international destination for world travelers.
_________________________________
Seattle
Phoenix
Detroit
Minny
New Orleans
Denver
Clevland

are your mid-markets

Portland
Okc
Portland
San Antoinio
Char
Indy
Milwaukee
Orlando
Memphis
Sac


We are a mid- market team.

Edit: besides who would want to live in one of those over-sized cesspools anyways? I lived in Chicago, Detroit, and LA; visited Miami, DC, Atlanta, and NY (Never SF, Boston, Philly or Texas cities).

Phoenix is a phenomenal city to live in; most people have now idea how great it is. I was one of those people until I moved here. Outside of the June-mid September EXTREME heat Phoenix is a perfect city in many ways

[NaturalBuns]

stay away from Melo when your lineup starts two PGs.

[Kyler Murray]

Last couple days I was intrigued at the thought of getting Granger here on the cheap, like 2-3m per year for 2 years. He's not that old (31), we have a long history of rejuvenating careers and he could become a very good 3rd-4th option on a stacked team. If it doesn't pan out, just let him expire or trade him next year to a team looking for financial relief. Thoughts?

[jcsunsfan]

I always hate the "small-mid market" comments. Phoenix is not a small market. It is also a very desirable place to live with lots of sports figures making the valley home. Its not NY, but its not OKC, SanAntonoi, or Memphis either.

People give Phoenix no love in anything

NY
LA
Chi
Boston
DC
Philly
San Fran
Toronto

are truly the only "large market" teams.

Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Miami

^^^^^^^^ On the verge of big, but big to me means an international destination for world travelers.
_________________________________
Seattle
Phoenix
Detroit
Minny
New Orleans
Denver
Clevland

are your mid-markets

Portland
Okc
Portland
San Antoinio
Char
Indy
Milwaukee
Orlando
Memphis
Sac


We are a mid- market team.

Edit: besides who would want to live in one of those over-sized cesspools anyways? I lived in Chicago, Detroit, and LA; visited Miami, DC, Atlanta, and NY (Never SF, Boston, Philly or Texas cities).

Phoenix is a phenomenal city to live in; most people have now idea how great it is. I was one of those people until I moved here. Outside of the June-mid September EXTREME heat Phoenix is a perfect city in many ways

Major metropolitan areas (not cities) by size:

1. New York
2. LA (if you don't split it up, its bigger than NY)
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5. Houston
6. Philadelphia
7. DC
8. Miami
9. Atlanta
10. Boston
11. SF
12. Phoenix (and growing)
13. Detroit (and shrinking)

Phoenix metro is almost twice the size of Denver, Portland, Charlotte. It is almost 3 times the size of Charlotte, OKC, Memphis. It is nearly 4 times the size of New Orleans and Salt Lake City (both of which are only 10% larger than Tucson). If you add Tucson to the Phoenix metro area (some metro areas stretch that far, Phoenix moves way ahead of Boston and San Francisco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Me ... ical_Areas

[TASTIC]

I'm somewhat on the fence with Melo.

I guess the attraction with getting him (besides the scoring ability/clutch) is that he would likely be a decent factor towards players signing with Phoenix, especially vets wanting to go to warmer weather on a team with a rich history.

We'd need another PF I think, I can't see a team succeeding with:

Plumlee
Melo
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe

Now if you could get Millsap somehow - ie a tough team-first guy then that team becomes legitimate contenders, with four starters who can hit the 3 ball and key players at the 1, 4 and 5 who can defend at above league average, or well above in Bledsoe's case.

[PHX Maniak]

Dragic/Bledsoe/Melo/Millsap/Plumlee?! (Hopefully Len would develop past Plumlee and replace him in the starting 5)

Don't tease me. That team would be awesome.

Dragic/Millsap PnR would completely negate anyone who says Frye isn't expendable.

[Big NBA Fan]

I still think the Suns should try and bring back Marion.

He's not what he used to be, but he is still a good player.