Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

Calvin Klein · Post #741 » by **Calvin Klein** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:16 pm

Saberestar wrote:I would make that Dudley for Green trade in a second.

Absolutely. But I doubt the Bucks do it.

Revived · Post #742 » by **Revived** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:21 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:
Saberestar wrote:I would make that Dudley for Green trade in a second.

Absolutely. But I doubt the Bucks do it.

Maybe add Plumlee to the deal?

Post #743 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:24 pm

Bucks get an expiring, of course they do it!

Post #744 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:26 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:
Saberestar wrote:I would make that Dudley for Green trade in a second.

Absolutely. But I doubt the Bucks do it.

lol we would've traded for Bledsoe for essentially nothing if this happened.

Post #745 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:45 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:lol we would've traded for Bledsoe for essentially nothing if this happened.

Suns trade Jared Dudley to Clippers for Eric Bledsoe.
Clips trade Jared Dudley to Bucks for Carlos Delfino.
Bucks trade Jared Dudley to Suns for Gerald Green.
Clips traded Eric Bledsoe for Carlos Delfino.
Bucks traded Carlos Delfino for Gerald Green.
Suns traded Gerald Green for Eric Bledsoe.
Suns get Eric Bledsoe. Clippers get Carlos Delfino. Bucks get Gerald Green.
Tradeception...

YouTube · Post #746 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:29 am

Qwigglez wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:lol we would've traded for Bledsoe for essentially nothing if this happened.

Suns trade Jared Dudley to Clippers for Eric Bledsoe.
Clips trade Jared Dudley to Bucks for Carlos Delfino.
Bucks trade Jared Dudley to Suns for Gerald Green.
Clips traded Eric Bledsoe for Carlos Delfino.
Bucks traded Carlos Delfino for Gerald Green.
Suns traded Gerald Green for Eric Bledsoe.
Suns get Eric Bledsoe. Clippers get Carlos Delfino. Bucks get Gerald Green.
Tradeception...

NaturalBuns · Post #747 » by **NaturalBuns** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:30 am

Really trade green for Dudley?
Lmao

Jdiddy701 · Post #748 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:34 am

Suns can't lose both Isaiah and Green. We gotta keep Gerald. He's a real weapon off the bench. Can't lose him.

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Post #749 » by **batsmasher** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:41 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns can't lose both Isaiah and Green. We gotta keep Gerald. He's a real weapon off the bench. Can't lose him.

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He is a weapon, but we have a bunch of weapons all vying for minutes. Our best two players are only averaging 34 minutes. There's plenty of minute growth left in this rotation.

We're better off trading him for some more youth and continuing the rebuild. Tony Snell and a protected first. PLEASE.

thamadkant · Post #750 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:57 am

Goodwin given 10 shots a game (or 18 shots like Green some nights) will score 10 points anyways, Ennis too..
But at the same time you develop them, Warren also can score 10 points in similar shots as Green.
There will be teething problems for them at the start just like Len, but 10+ games later, they'll adapt to the NBA speed and intensity.

Post #751 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:22 am

1UPZ wrote:Goodwin given 10 shots a game (or 18 shots like Green some nights) will score 10 points anyways, Ennis too..
But at the same time you develop them, Warren also can score 10 points in similar shots as Green.
There will be teething problems for them at the start just like Len, but 10+ games later, they'll adapt to the NBA speed and intensity.

If he can stay in control and doesn't try and be Prime Wade, then I think he'll do just fine with more minutes.

Post #752 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:26 am

1UPZ wrote:Goodwin given 10 shots a game (or 18 shots like Green some nights) will score 10 points anyways, Ennis too..
But at the same time you develop them, Warren also can score 10 points in similar shots as Green.
There will be teething problems for them at the start just like Len, but 10+ games later, they'll adapt to the NBA speed and intensity.

I know it would be nice to see those guys more, but they will get time when games are out of reach for either team playing. I have full confidence Hornacek will insert them when they are truly ready like he did with Len who has improved after getting backup minutes and has been controlling his foul rate better. Had he started earlier, I think he would have fouled out which wouldn't have helped either. Trust Hornacek in knowing better than us when these guys are truly ready. If we were in the 11th or 12th seed, I would be fully in favor of giving those guys more minutes. Now I don't necessarily think the team will make the playoffs, but it only takes one injury to put us in the mix, and I think that even if we get eliminated in the first round, that will truly make these guys work harder and getting that taste of the playoffs will be a very positive thing.

thamadkant · Post #753 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:00 am

I actually have less confidence on Hornacek this season. As a motivator, he is good, but actual plays and Xs/Os, he is yet to prove he is "good". This season, the wins primarily came from players getting hot. Giving up big leads, not calling time outs, not yanking out players taking terrible shots etc.

McD I have FULL trust.... Hornacek?... I've lost a little bit this season..

bigfoot · Post #754 » by **bigfoot** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:38 am

1UPZ wrote:I actually have less confidence on Hornacek this season. As a motivator, he is good, but actual plays and Xs/Os, he is yet to prove he is "good". This season, the wins primarily came from players getting hot. Giving up big leads, not calling time outs, not yanking out players taking terrible shots etc.

McD I have FULL trust.... Hornacek?... I've lost a little bit this season..

Holy crap you have no idea what your talking about. Horny has always been an Xs / Os guy. Even when he was playing. Go read #11 on this link

https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/201 ... -assisted/

John Stockton thinks you don't know shat !!

Flying Colors · Post #755 » by **Flying Colors** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:52 am

bigfoot wrote:
1UPZ wrote:I actually have less confidence on Hornacek this season. As a motivator, he is good, but actual plays and Xs/Os, he is yet to prove he is "good". This season, the wins primarily came from players getting hot. Giving up big leads, not calling time outs, not yanking out players taking terrible shots etc.

McD I have FULL trust.... Hornacek?... I've lost a little bit this season..

Holy crap you have no idea what your talking about. Horny has always been an Xs / Os guy. Even when he was playing. Go read #11 on this link

https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/201 ... -assisted/

John Stockton thinks you don't know shat !!

huh, maybe our players are too stupid to execute his plans then

thamadkant · Post #756 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:18 am

bigfoot wrote:
1UPZ wrote:I actually have less confidence on Hornacek this season. As a motivator, he is good, but actual plays and Xs/Os, he is yet to prove he is "good". This season, the wins primarily came from players getting hot. Giving up big leads, not calling time outs, not yanking out players taking terrible shots etc.

McD I have FULL trust.... Hornacek?... I've lost a little bit this season..

Holy crap you have no idea what your talking about. Horny has always been an Xs / Os guy. Even when he was playing. Go read #11 on this link

https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/201 ... -assisted/

John Stockton thinks you don't know shat !!

Wow way to go on the attack.

Do you watch games? Surely you do.
How many set plays do the Suns run? in comparison to other X and O teams?

Hornacek may have been an Xs and Os guy in JAZZ, but in Phoenix, he is yet to prove that or show it consistently. The team certainly doesnt show it, and the team we see on the court represent his coaching a lot.

Green plays 20 mins a game and in that 20 mins, he takes contested shots within the first 10 seconds, and he's not the only one.
You'll probably mention that shots taken early in the shot clock, go in at a higher percentage crap, which has merit if its in transition or SSOL Suns type offense, but I'm talking about players trying to score on their man individually as opposed to rotating it to the open man as per Xs and Os.

Now, as I mentioned MULTIPLE times already, either Hornacek is just really calm and he does plan a lot of Xs and Os.. BUT his team simply ignores it... OR he just lets them play/improvise majority of the time. I believe its a bit of both...
And that doesnt contradict my statement and MY OPINION above. And it won't change, I don't care about what YOU think, I'm entitled to my opinion.

I didnt say Hornacek CAN'T be a good coach, I think he has the accolades and intellect to excel at it... but I'm simply not seeing it consistently applied. And again, if its a matter of players ignoring him... consistently... then that's an even worse issue.

Midnight_Suns · Post #757 » by **Midnight_Suns** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:41 am

I saw something about Philly trying to swap MCW for a 1st round. Is he worth our 1st round pick if we can dump IT in another trade? I wish Ennis would get more burn so we really know what we have in him.

jcsunsfan · Post #758 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:47 am

Midnight_Suns wrote:I saw something about Philly trying to swap MCW for a 1st round. Is he worth our 1st round pick if we can dump IT in another trade? I wish Ennis would get more burn so we really know what we have in him.

Yes. Yes he is. Not sure how he would fit.

DaleyBlind · Post #759 » by **DaleyBlind** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:58 am

Midnight_Suns wrote:I saw something about Philly trying to swap MCW for a 1st round. Is he worth our 1st round pick if we can dump IT in another trade? I wish Ennis would get more burn so we really know what we have in him.

MCW is horrible. I wouldn't trade a pick for him.

Post #760 » by **batsmasher** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:29 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
Midnight_Suns wrote:I saw something about Philly trying to swap MCW for a 1st round. Is he worth our 1st round pick if we can dump IT in another trade? I wish Ennis would get more burn so we really know what we have in him.

MCW is horrible. I wouldn't trade a pick for him.

This used to be Philly's secret but now most of the league has cottoned on to how bad a player he is. Can't shoot but shoots like he's Kobe. Turns it over like nothing. Good passer but not a great bball IQ. There's still probably some potential in him though, but certainly not for a first rounder.

Ennis has shown more promise in his limited playing time.