Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[MrMiyagi]

Hey guys. Raptor fan here.

Saw the tweet of Markieff Morris being potentially shopped. Dont know how much truth there is too it, based on some of your reaction and posts. Regardless, he would be a legit target for us.

So say if it is indeed true and he is being shopped, is there anything that would interest you from the raptors? What offer would you make? Just curious thanks.

WHAT?! YOU MEAN ANOTHER NBA TEAM ACTUALLY WANTS MARKIEFF MORRIS? I THOUGHT HE WAS THE WORST 4 IN THE LEAGUE?!

But you forgot your GREEN FONT!!!

But back to what you highlighted from my earlier post, yes, I see what you are saying, and I kinda 'softened' what I said immediately after--understanding with our young team, we could surprise if enough develop, right?

I like our squad, and I think Chandler's additions will get us up into the 7th or 8th seed. After we get that first playoffs under our belt, I think our squad will get better and better.

[saintEscaton]

Hey guys, I know this might come across as a bit of a longshot and/or a little crazy! But I would like us to somehow aggressively pursue a trade to get Ibaka.

Now I believe that he is signed through 2016/2017 at around 12-13 million per year. So theoretically we could trade oklahoma....Markieff morris, p.j. tucker and maybe a sweetener of miami's 2016 pick for Ibaka.


Or if they would prefer bledsoe instead to play alongside russell, durant...Then they can have him. I think they would appreciate tuckers' and blesoes' defensive potential alongside of Durants' and Russell's scoring.

and now that kanter is developing nicely for them alongside adams, I believe that this makes Ibaka increasingly expendable.

I would love to make this trade happen! And I believe it would help them procure more money to resign durant if necessary.

Additionally it adds a better defensive compliment to try and secure durants' interest when it comes time to resign.

Also, For all the gallinari fans.....I found a great trade that works:

http:espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nbvkvol .


Phoenix sends out: Markieff morris and p.j. tucker.

Denver sends phoenix: Gallinari and gary harris.


That gives us a very versatile player and shooter to change things up at the 4, when necessary. also a very adept shooter in harris to back up booker.

thoughts?

I'm all in.Some posters on this board actually prefer Kieff over Serge Ibaka who's clearly the more elite perimeter shooter, skilled yet actually plays like a big man and is a dominant post defender/shot blocker. Take that for what you will. But OKC doesn't need another PG after drafting Payne and they would rightfully laugh at that offer and hang up the phone

I doubt that. If anyone seriously prefers Kieff to Ibaka please chime in. OKC isn't trading Ibaka.

bwoolf2's reply to me another thread where I listed 5 25 or under PFs I would take over Kieff was. "We will agree to disagree, I dont think Ibaka, Favors, and especially Mirotic have shown more, time will tell... Kieff could turn into a told headcase and flop out or he could get his **** together, he has the talent." Don't mean to call them out or anything but that was gold

[Frank Lee]

retitle this thread too...

we aren't that butt hurt are we ?

[Asif16]

Seriously though guys if you missed it the first time i said it..... if you want to see another fanbase talk about one of your players, head over to our board. A whole thread dedicated to Markieff Morris. Good amount of our fanbase wants him. Lots of good discussion going around.

Feel free to drop by and give us your insight or some proposed deals, considering you know him well than anyone else.

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[Asif16]

Well what is a realistic deal you could see the Raptors doing? We would likely need a PF with range, or if we didn't get that we would have to take back little to no salary so we could sign one or trade for one so we would want a first rounder. We probably wouldn't mind a cheap backup pg or sf who can hit the 3 as well.

Ross + Luke Ridnour + 2nd round pick?

Is that too little?

Yes, that's too little and I actually was hoping the Suns would take Ross in that draft. We could definitely use Ross and Ridnour though. It really depends on whether or not the rumors are true that the Suns want to trade Markieff. To even consider a deal like that, it would have to be a lotto protected first and we would have to have a plan for a PF signing.

What if i changed the 2nd round pick to the 2017 LAC 1st round Pick? Any interest then?

[bwgood77]

Ross + Luke Ridnour + 2nd round pick?

Is that too little?

Yes, that's too little and I actually was hoping the Suns would take Ross in that draft. We could definitely use Ross and Ridnour though. It really depends on whether or not the rumors are true that the Suns want to trade Markieff. To even consider a deal like that, it would have to be a lotto protected first and we would have to have a plan for a PF signing.

What if i changed the 2nd round pick to the 2017 LAC 1st round Pick? Any interest then?

Maybe, but it would all come down to what the alternative option would be at PF. If we didn't have a guy that could help us compete, then it isn't going to happen. Our FO wants to compete, so at this point picks mean less than having productive players and he is our only PF other than Jon Leuer. If we had a plan in place to sign or trade for a productive PF to replace Kieff, that might be a reasonable deal, and not so much because the value is equal but at this point it might be better for him and the Suns if he moves on to another team.

[Frank Lee]

I agree that Kief is a better than average PF and can still improve. However, we really don't need drama before the season starts. Already hearing that he and Horny don't get along. For certain he is upset about the boot given to his brother. Are we really willing to risk another season of bull because of Kief.

I would expect that Horny, Kief, and Ryan will have sat down and asked the question ... do you still want to play for the Suns? Some of the Kief movement rumors might well be that Kief wants out and if that's the case then McD should be doing everything he can to show him the door.

same boat

was unaware of the grumbling gossip, but not surprised.

Looking to shore up the PF spot... I'd slide a second round pick to Philly for sleeper Furkan Aldemir. This kid needs a new home. Has the hard nose we need. Somebody has to be moved from their 19 man roster. perhaps Carl Landry ? Every time I watch him, he drops a double double. But then again, that's playing us.

[bwgood77]

Seriously though guys if you missed it the first time i said it..... if you want to see another fanbase talk about one of your players, head over to our board. A whole thread dedicated to Markieff Morris. Good amount of our fanbase wants him. Lots of good discussion going around.

Feel free to drop by and give us your insight or some proposed deals, considering you know him well than anyone else.

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Wow, six pages about people being excited to trade for Markieff? Interesting.

[Asif16]

Yes, that's too little and I actually was hoping the Suns would take Ross in that draft. We could definitely use Ross and Ridnour though. It really depends on whether or not the rumors are true that the Suns want to trade Markieff. To even consider a deal like that, it would have to be a lotto protected first and we would have to have a plan for a PF signing.

What if i changed the 2nd round pick to the 2017 LAC 1st round Pick? Any interest then?

Maybe, but it would all come down to what the alternative option would be at PF. If we didn't have a guy that could help us compete, then it isn't going to happen. Our FO wants to compete, so at this point picks mean less than having productive players and he is our only PF other than Jon Leuer. If we had a plan in place to sign or trade for a productive PF to replace Kieff, that might be a reasonable deal, and not so much because the value is equal but at this point it might be better for him and the Suns if he moves on to another team.

Makes sense. Say if a deal like that were to go down, would you guys not have any sort of capspace to sign a PF from free agency? Say a jordan hill, Seraphin, etc....

From our end, Patterson seems like logical fit for you guys, but he's a valuable piece to us as well. Someone we dont want to give up. We can give you a guy like Bebe whos only 22 but he's still extremely raw.

Or would James Johnson interest you? He's a SF but he's big and strong enough to play the 4. He played a lot of 4 for us last year.

Lol at this point im really just throwing ideas on the wall haha

[alldayeveryday]

We ain't trading Kief. No way in hell. Take that to the bank or I will take every single one of you in Arizona to Chino Bandido when I visit my folks in a few months if he is gone.

[bwgood77]

What if i changed the 2nd round pick to the 2017 LAC 1st round Pick? Any interest then?

Maybe, but it would all come down to what the alternative option would be at PF. If we didn't have a guy that could help us compete, then it isn't going to happen. Our FO wants to compete, so at this point picks mean less than having productive players and he is our only PF other than Jon Leuer. If we had a plan in place to sign or trade for a productive PF to replace Kieff, that might be a reasonable deal, and not so much because the value is equal but at this point it might be better for him and the Suns if he moves on to another team.

Makes sense. Say if a deal like that were to go down, would you guys not have any sort of capspace to sign a PF from free agency? Say a jordan hill, Seraphin, etc....

From our end, Patterson seems like logical fit for you guys, but he's a valuable piece to us as well. Someone we dont want to give up. We can give you a guy like Bebe whos only 22 but he's still extremely raw.

Or would James Johnson interest you? He's a SF but he's big and strong enough to play the 4. He played a lot of 4 for us last year.

Lol at this point im really just throwing ideas on the wall haha

There is some talk about trading for Ryan Anderson, Danilo Gallinari, or to a lesser extent, Channing Frye. While all these guys would serve our stretch 4 need, they are all a downgrade for Markieff, so it just depends on if they want to get rid of Markieff, and if so, how badly.

[bwgood77]

We ain't trading Kief. No way in hell. Take that to the bank or I will take every single one of you in Arizona to Chino Bandido when I visit my folks in a few months if he is gone.

I hope everyone keeps you to your word if he is traded...that would be epic.

[LukasBMW]

It's amazing how fast assets go bad on the Suns team. At the trade deadline, Keef and Bledsoe were our best players according to Babby.

Now we are ready to get rid of him because he doesn't play hard and doesn't get along with Horny.

I guess if we can flip him and his attitude and pending charges to a team that gives us someone who McD thinks will excel in our system, that trades an asset going sour for an asset we can potentially inflate.

Safe to say McD is flipping small assets until we strike it rich on a big one. Then we build around the big one.

[LukasBMW]

For the record, I'd rather have Boggie on my team then LMA.

Think about having a Chandler/Boogie 5/4 front line with Len off the bench.

[lilfishi22]

maybe...But then again, maybe not. You see, I'm sure they are very aware of durants' very serious interest in making it deep into the playoffs, and actively competing for a championship.

They have incredible scoring capabilities, But really since losing sefalosha to the hawks, they don't have very good defense.

Now durant being as highly intelligent as he is would understand the necessity of good perimeter defense.

and bledsoe if nothing else, offers that kind of elite defense that they are lacking on the wing.

also it is important to remember that markieffs' contract is a bargain (asset) that at the very worst, they can use if necessary to improve the team.

This has to resonate somewhat in the minds of the front office there as they will of course go to any reasonable lengths in order to placate durants interest.

We can of course add sweeteners if need be too.
Lastly, irregardless of the cap going up, I'm sure that they'd like to increase their assets and cap space with these players contracts to more easily facilitate resigning durant as well .

How does Bledsoe or Kieff make them any better on defense though?

They already have Ibaka who is a significantly better defensively than Kieff and Westbrook who's a stud defensively and probably as good if not better at that than Bledsoe.

[lilfishi22]

For the record, I'd rather have Boggie on my team then LMA.

Think about having a Chandler/Boogie 5/4 front line with Len off the bench.

I like Boogie better too but a Chandler/LMA front line is better since LMA has better range

[King4Day]

Seriously though guys if you missed it the first time i said it..... if you want to see another fanbase talk about one of your players, head over to our board. A whole thread dedicated to Markieff Morris. Good amount of our fanbase wants him. Lots of good discussion going around.

Feel free to drop by and give us your insight or some proposed deals, considering you know him well than anyone else.

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FWIW, that guy who was quoted in the OP also said that Aldridge was leaning towards the Suns about a half hour before he picked the Spurs. He got this whole fanbase excited.
While I do think the Suns will look to deal Kieff at some point, I don't think that source should ever be trusted/quoted.

[NavLDO]

What if i changed the 2nd round pick to the 2017 LAC 1st round Pick? Any interest then?

Maybe, but it would all come down to what the alternative option would be at PF. If we didn't have a guy that could help us compete, then it isn't going to happen. Our FO wants to compete, so at this point picks mean less than having productive players and he is our only PF other than Jon Leuer. If we had a plan in place to sign or trade for a productive PF to replace Kieff, that might be a reasonable deal, and not so much because the value is equal but at this point it might be better for him and the Suns if he moves on to another team.

Makes sense. Say if a deal like that were to go down, would you guys not have any sort of capspace to sign a PF from free agency? Say a jordan hill, Seraphin, etc....

From our end, Patterson seems like logical fit for you guys, but he's a valuable piece to us as well. Someone we dont want to give up. We can give you a guy like Bebe whos only 22 but he's still extremely raw.

Or would James Johnson interest you? He's a SF but he's big and strong enough to play the 4. He played a lot of 4 for us last year.

Lol at this point im really just throwing ideas on the wall haha

Just make it easy:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=npzs6ys

James Johnson + Patrick Patterson for Markieff Morris = Done deal!

Picks can be added to what ever side would be needed to make it fair.

But here's another trade, not involving Toronto. This is for all the Kieff, Tucker, and EB haters out there...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=naky5oe

Trade the above mentioned three to New Orleans for...wait for it...c'mon, you know where I'm going with this....

Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, and Quincy Pondexter...BOOM!!

Knight/K. Marshall/Scrub FA
Gordon/Goodwin/Booker
Warren/Pondexter
Anderson/Len/Leuer
Chandler/Len

[thamadkant]

We ain't trading Kief. No way in hell. Take that to the bank or I will take every single one of you in Arizona to Chino Bandido when I visit my folks in a few months if he is gone.

Wow, thats a big commitment for a very possible scenario.

[bwgood77]

Interesting post with thorough analysis by a Raps fan...

I really don't know what you're talking about.. He's not a very good fit for this team. He's too much like Patterson. Morris is a great shooter (50.31% 8-16 feet is 2nd highest for a PF in the league under only Ppat) and 40% 16-24 feet to go along with 31% from 3. No question he's a good shooter and a good fit in that sense, but he's a terrible rebounder. Only 6.2/game, but more importantly he gets 56.5% of his chances at the rebound which is average but an atrocious 36% contested rebound %. He wouldn't help our problem for defensive rebounding infact he would make it worse. Also, he is a defensive liability. He gets good steal numbers (1.2/game) but allows 52.4% FG% at the rim to go along with only .5 BPG. He is a poor fit next to Val defensively which would overall make our frontcourt unsustainable defensively. Not a good fit at all.