The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[Saberestar]

I would not trade #4 for Love, I have high hopes for Murray, Hield or even Bender.

[sunsbum]

The hell?! You think paul george is worth 6 years of assets? Are you sure you dont want t.j. warren too?! I dont even know who im talking to.

[andguy22]

As such, 4, 13, Booker, Len, and the 2 Miami 1sts is the best you can offer, and that just may not be enough.

Any Suns Fan that thinks this would be an AWESOME trade for the Suns and their fans is completely .

The Suns aren't winning a title with a team of nobodys and PG . No title , AND NO DRAFT PICKS FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS ???? So then I ask , what would be the point ??

All the ,,,,,,," I WANT IT NOW " wishful thinkers out there need to realign and get back to reality .

The Suns only hope is to either get 2-3 STARS IMMEDIATELY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or, if not,,,,,,,,,,,Then relax, and reload this team with it's picks & youth. THATS HOW YOU BUILD A TEAM!!!!!

Trade the farm for Paul George ?? Why , so in a year or 2 you can talk about trading Paul George , and our future first round picks for the next supposed big thing ??

Slow down there and eat a snickers!!!!!!!

[Mulhollanddrive]

About 10-20 humans on earth decide whether you can win the NBA championship, and you need 2 of them (most likely).

Without them on your team you can't do it.

I'd say 25 out of 30 teams each season have positions 3 to 15 already.

[JMac1]

I swear 90% of these smaller websites come to our forum, steal our trade ideas and post them as rumors.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nba.trade.rumors.phoenix.suns.to.acquire.76ers.jahlil.okafor/87927.htm

Edit: They copied and paste from this site

http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/nba-rumors-phoenix-suns-giving-away-brandon-knight-13th-overall-pick-jahlil-okafor/26135/

[NTB]

I swear 90% of these smaller websites come to our forum, steal our trade ideas and post them as rumors.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nba.trade.rumors.phoenix.suns.to.acquire.76ers.jahlil.okafor/87927.htm

or they are just common ideas that everyone who follows nba can think

[JMac1]

I swear 90% of these smaller websites come to our forum, steal our trade ideas and post them as rumors.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nba.trade.rumors.phoenix.suns.to.acquire.76ers.jahlil.okafor/87927.htm

or they are just common ideas that everyone who follows nba can think

Guess not, you missed my edit

[bwgood77]

I always see George proposals which I find a bit ridiculous since I can't imagine a small market team trading their centerpiece, but thought that maybe there was something I didn't know....so I posed the question on the Indy board..

No, not really. He's still super young, as is Myles Turner. I think Bird would want a chance to build around Paul George for 2 more years rather than giving up 2 years early.

For Phoenix, missing out on moving up into the top 2 of the lottery hurt any offer they could've made. But, a top 2 pick this year, Booker, 13, and the future Miami 1sts would've made a solid offer. As such, 4, 13, Booker, Len, and the 2 Miami 1sts is the best you can offer, and that just may not be enough. It's a big difference in value from 2 to 4.

More likely trade between the two of us this summer? Our 20 for your 28 and 34.

Haha. When did PG become MJ?

I think the point is, you don't trade a top 10 player unless you think he's going to leave or you get a great offer. Those two offers are all just picks and unproven players too...two of which we got for a free agent leaving in Dragic.

[bwgood77]

As such, 4, 13, Booker, Len, and the 2 Miami 1sts is the best you can offer, and that just may not be enough.

Any Suns Fan that thinks this would be an AWESOME trade for the Suns and their fans is completely .

The Suns aren't winning a title with a team of nobodys and PG . No title , AND NO DRAFT PICKS FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS ???? So then I ask , what would be the point ??

All the ,,,,,,," I WANT IT NOW " wishful thinkers out there need to realign and get back to reality .

The Suns only hope is to either get 2-3 STARS IMMEDIATELY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or, if not,,,,,,,,,,,Then relax, and reload this team with it's picks & youth. THATS HOW YOU BUILD A TEAM!!!!!

Trade the farm for Paul George ?? Why , so in a year or 2 you can talk about trading Paul George , and our future first round picks for the next supposed big thing ??

Slow down there and eat a snickers!!!!!!!

The main point is they are not trading him to the Suns, and if they do end up trading him it would likely be to the Lakers, because if he really does want to play in LA, no other team is going to trade much for him and watch him leave when he is a free agent.

[bwgood77]

I swear 90% of these smaller websites come to our forum, steal our trade ideas and post them as rumors.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nba.trade.rumors.phoenix.suns.to.acquire.76ers.jahlil.okafor/87927.htm

Edit: They copied and paste from this site

http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/nba-rumors-phoenix-suns-giving-away-brandon-knight-13th-overall-pick-jahlil-okafor/26135/

The weird thing about both of those articles (the christian one already posted here and discussed) was that they both say Brandon Knight and 13 and then link to other articles that say nothing about that particular package...one doesn't mention Brandon Knight at all and neither mention 13 specifically.

[saintEscaton]

Barnes is at best the 5th option on the Dubs and they don't even try to actively involve him, he is a solid but unspectacular wing defender who just spots up for wide open treys in transition/second chance opportunities, Iggy always gets the toughest matchup and comes up clutch He's not a stud waiting to be featured on a rebuilding team, he is a product of the system would look even worse without the supporting cast/gravity of the Splash Bros. Honestly swapping him for Batum would be a massive upgrade, Dubs should do it if they were willing to shell out the dough

[RaisingArizona]

I always see George proposals which I find a bit ridiculous since I can't imagine a small market team trading their centerpiece, but thought that maybe there was something I didn't know....so I posed the question on the Indy board..

Haha. When did PG become MJ?

I think the point is, you don't trade a top 10 player unless you think he's going to leave or you get a great offer. Those two offers are all just picks and unproven players too...two of which we got for a free agent leaving in Dragic.

I know. Just saying that offer is ridiculous.

[JMac1]

I swear 90% of these smaller websites come to our forum, steal our trade ideas and post them as rumors.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nba.trade.rumors.phoenix.suns.to.acquire.76ers.jahlil.okafor/87927.htm

Edit: They copied and paste from this site

http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/nba-rumors-phoenix-suns-giving-away-brandon-knight-13th-overall-pick-jahlil-okafor/26135/

The weird thing about both of those articles (the christian one already posted here and discussed) was that they both say Brandon Knight and 13 and then link to other articles that say nothing about that particular package...one doesn't mention Brandon Knight at all and neither mention 13 specifically.

Yup. I know it was mentioned here though (specifically by me, which I probably got the idea from someone here). Knight and the #13 for Okafor and Bender would be a fantasy for us Suns fans........which never happens. Having a core of Booker, Bender, and Okafor would make me estatic.

[bwgood77]

Barnes is at best the 5th option on the Dubs and they don't even try to actively involve him, he is a solid but unspectacular wing defender who just spots up for wide open corner pocket treys and Iggy always gets the toughest matchup and shows up in crunchtime He's not a stud waiting to be featured on a rebuilding team, he would look even worse without the supporting cast/gravity of the Splash Bros. Honestly swapping him for Batum would be a massive upgrade

I agree. I have no idea why anyone would pay him anywhere near the max. I don't think he was even worth the offer he turned down.

[letsgosuns]

I want to make sure I read this correctly. Did a Pacers fan say that a trade of Booker, Len, picks 4 and 13, and the two Miami picks is a good offer but may not be enough for Paul George?. Is that what was said? Because it is shocking to think a basketball fan could come up with something so asinine. Newsflash Pacers fan. If Larry Bird offered Paul George for Booker straight up, I would say NO 1,000,000 times. Who do you think George is huh? Sure, let's give the Pacers a brand new team. I would rather have Butler than George anyway. At least he is signed for four more years while George can leave after two years.

Look at how insane this trade idea is when you view it logically in terms of years of service:
Len: up to six more years of control
Booker: up to eight more years of control
Picks 4 and 13: up to nine years of control each
Miami Picks: up to nine years of control each
George: two years of control and then a player option

So the Suns would get only two years worth of a player while the Pacers can reap the benefits of this trade all the way to 2030 since the second Miami pick is slated for 2021. Sorry but if you want that kind of package from the Suns, you better find Doc Brown and go back to 1989 and bring back Jordan and Pippen. That is the only way the Suns are going to give up 14 years worth of assets.

[bwgood77]

I want to make sure I read this correctly. Did a Pacers fan say that a trade of Booker, Len, picks 4 and 13, and the two Miami picks is a good offer but may not be enough for Paul George?. Is that what was said? Because it is shocking to think a basketball fan could come up with something so asinine. Newsflash Pacers fan. If Larry Bird offered Paul George for Booker straight up, I would say NO 1,000,000 times. Who do you think George is huh? Sure, let's give the Pacers a brand new team. I would rather have Butler than George anyway. At least he is signed for four more years while George can leave after two years.

Look at how insane this trade idea is when you view it logically in terms of years of service:
Len: up to six more years of control
Booker: up to eight more years of control
Picks 4 and 13: up to nine years of control each
Miami Picks: up to nine years of control each
George: two years of control and then a player option

So the Suns would get only two years worth of a player while the Pacers can reap the benefits of this trade all the way to 2030 since the second Miami pick is slated for 2021. Sorry but if you want that kind of package from the Suns, you better find Doc Brown and go back to 1989 and bring back Jordan and Pippen. That is the only way the Suns are going to give up 14 years worth of assets.

It doesn't make sense either way though I'm guessing a non biased fan would consider not trading Booker for George more asinine.

[TeamTragic]

The hell?! You think paul george is worth 6 years of assets? Are you sure you dont want t.j. warren too?! I dont even know who im talking to.

I have an idea for a board sticky: Please take meds before posting in the offseason thread

As such, 4, 13, Booker, Len, and the 2 Miami 1sts is the best you can offer, and that just may not be enough.

Any Suns Fan that thinks this would be an AWESOME trade for the Suns and their fans is completely .

The Suns aren't winning a title with a team of nobodys and PG . No title , AND NO DRAFT PICKS FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS ???? So then I ask , what would be the point ??

All the ,,,,,,," I WANT IT NOW " wishful thinkers out there need to realign and get back to reality .

The Suns only hope is to either get 2-3 STARS IMMEDIATELY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or, if not,,,,,,,,,,,Then relax, and reload this team with it's picks & youth. THATS HOW YOU BUILD A TEAM!!!!!

Trade the farm for Paul George ?? Why , so in a year or 2 you can talk about trading Paul George , and our future first round picks for the next supposed big thing ??

Slow down there and eat a snickers!!!!!!!

[thamadkant]

I want to make sure I read this correctly. Did a Pacers fan say that a trade of Booker, Len, picks 4 and 13, and the two Miami picks is a good offer but may not be enough for Paul George?. Is that what was said? Because it is shocking to think a basketball fan could come up with something so asinine. Newsflash Pacers fan. If Larry Bird offered Paul George for Booker straight up, I would say NO 1,000,000 times. Who do you think George is huh? Sure, let's give the Pacers a brand new team. I would rather have Butler than George anyway. At least he is signed for four more years while George can leave after two years.

Look at how insane this trade idea is when you view it logically in terms of years of service:
Len: up to six more years of control
Booker: up to eight more years of control
Picks 4 and 13: up to nine years of control each
Miami Picks: up to nine years of control each
George: two years of control and then a player option

So the Suns would get only two years worth of a player while the Pacers can reap the benefits of this trade all the way to 2030 since the second Miami pick is slated for 2021. Sorry but if you want that kind of package from the Suns, you better find Doc Brown and go back to 1989 and bring back Jordan and Pippen. That is the only way the Suns are going to give up 14 years worth of assets.

From one biased view of a player to another.


Bottomline... Team fans over rate their players from anywhere 2 times to 4 times their actual value.


Not trading Booker straight up for a healthy Paul George would be considered a complete asinine of a decision and decided with the heart rather than the brain by most non biased fans.

Paul George is a top 7 player in both ends of the court and is young enough to build upon.

If Pacer decide to trade George.. It means they are going younger.
If Suns trade young players for established stars... It means they are going to field a team who will try to contend for a ring.


So if McD ever trades for George.. I am in the assumption that Bird is rebuilding and McD is also trading for another stud veteran player to contend.

[sunsbum]

Actually I agree with letsgosuns, if George can become a UFA in 2 years there is no way I trade booker for him straight up. If hes an RFA its a totally different story.

[letsgosuns]

You guys do not understand my reasoning of not trading Booker for George. I have explained it before I will explain it again. This has nothing to do with whether or not Booker is as good or ever will be as good as George. This has to do with the fact that Booker is 19 and the Suns control him for at least the next 8 years. George on the other hand can bolt whatever team he is on two years from now. You think the Suns should give up their 19 year old rookie who just made the all-rookie 1st team and can be on the Suns for the next 8+ years for a guy that can leave in two years. And actually in the second year, you know the trade rumors would come up saying should the Suns trade George because he can leave in free agency and you do not want to lose him for nothing.

Now if the Suns got a guarantee that they will win at least one championship with George in the next two years then sure, make the trade. But in reality, there is no guarantee they will even make the playoffs with George. The Pacers barely made the playoffs themselves in the East with George so why would I ever think George alone can catapult the Suns into a Western Conference contender. And there no way I am going to trade for him just for the hope that he might help attract free agents. Again this has nothing to do with Booker versus George. It is about not wanting the Suns to trade their best young players for a guy that possibly makes you no better than you already are and can take off in two years.