Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[DirtyDez]

If they just surround LeBron with shooters they will be fine. They'd probably play better if they didn't play Rose and just started JR Smith and Korver at guards. I'm not convinced IT will be out that long though. I think his injury is a bit overblown.

Was Cleveland just leaking stuff about IT to screw with Boston?

Even if his injury is overblown, DRose is old and injury prone. IT is a question mark at this point. Is Calderon the answer?

Losing Kyrie is losing 20-30 sure point per game. Do they plan to make up for that with ball movement? More shots for Kevin Love?

Does IT come back and get stuck playing "super sub" again as a 6th man to provide scoring with Lebron out?

Gonna be interesting. Lebron must be worried because there are unanswered questions and the Cavs are not stronger at the moment.

IT is a sure 20-30 points per game. They replaced Kyrie with a clone who outperformed him last year, and also added a great role player in Crowder, plus size in Zizic (though I don't expect him to play a ton as a rookie). I fail to see how the Cavs aren't stronger come playoff time.

We won't know about IT's impact until he's healthy or if he gets healthy. His game is predicated on quickness and apparently he can't even jog.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I hate how Gilbert has approached this. You rebuild AFTER your championship run is over. Right now, this year, all he should have been thinking about was how to win a championship. Doesn't matter whether Lebron leaves - have him leave on good terms, as a champion. Build your legacy. That Nets pick will accelerate their rebuild by one year. It's not worth cutting their contention short.

Terrible.

[AtheJ415]

Boston is a contender so it makes more sense for them to overpay than for us to. You rarely see a bottom feeder give up the "house" for a star player.

After thinking some more about Boston giving up the BRK pick it's making more sense. They could've used it on George or Butler but Irving is younger and a better fit as they need a PG. The argument would've been just taking Fultz but who knows if he'd be ready for a Finals run plus they picked up an asset.

Irving
Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
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Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Yabusele
Baynes

I think their success will depend how Jaylen Brown develops...

What? He's not a "better fit" and they didn't "need a PG" until they traded IT. Butler and George are drastically better fits BECAUSE they would have kept IT. They had a shot at contending with GS and absolutely threw it out the window. Their current success depends on the development of both Brown and Tatum, but it didn't have to. I still expect them to be a 1 or 2 seed, but to lose to Cleveland in the playoffs and not progress from there.

Nobody is competing with Golden St and they needed a longterm PG. Boston was never re-signing IT. Kyrie had expressed interest in playing for Stevens and waived his trade kicker. They'll be a contender so I doubt he'd leave. We'll have to see how good Fultz is to find out if they'll regret it.

They might have if they had a lineup of IT, Hayward, Paul freaking George, anybody, Horford. Instead they have Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, Brown, Horford because Ainge absolutely butchered his 2 seasons of opportunity here. One is much better than the other, and saying a team that has a guy they have bird rights to who is an all-NBA performer and was getting MVP consideration at 28 as "needing a PG" is just insane to me.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

What? He's not a "better fit" and they didn't "need a PG" until they traded IT. Butler and George are drastically better fits BECAUSE they would have kept IT. They had a shot at contending with GS and absolutely threw it out the window. Their current success depends on the development of both Brown and Tatum, but it didn't have to. I still expect them to be a 1 or 2 seed, but to lose to Cleveland in the playoffs and not progress from there.

Nobody is competing with Golden St and they needed a longterm PG. Boston was never re-signing IT. Kyrie had expressed interest in playing for Stevens and waived his trade kicker. They'll be a contender so I doubt he'd leave. We'll have to see how good Fultz is to find out if they'll regret it.

They might have if they had a lineup of IT, Hayward, Paul freaking George, anybody, Horford. Instead they have Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, Brown, Horford because Ainge absolutely butchered his 2 seasons of opportunity here. One is much better than the other, and saying a team that has a guy they have bird rights to who is an all-NBA performer and was getting MVP consideration at 28 as "needing a PG" is just insane to me.

I understand the Kyrie trade. What I don't understand whatsoever is the Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris deal. That's just turning shinola into ****.

[bwgood77]

Cleveland is screwed. They can't really compete this year without a pg. They need to do another deal.

Funny. They have DRose and IT and they still need a pg.


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If they just surround LeBron with shooters they will be fine. They'd probably play better if they didn't play Rose and just started JR Smith and Korver at guards. I'm not convinced IT will be out that long though. I think his injury is a bit overblown.

Was Cleveland just leaking stuff about IT to screw with Boston?

Even if his injury is overblown, DRose is old and injury prone. IT is a question mark at this point. Is Calderon the answer?

Losing Kyrie is losing 20-30 sure point per game. Do they plan to make up for that with ball movement? More shots for Kevin Love?

Does IT come back and get stuck playing "super sub" again as a 6th man to provide scoring with Lebron out?

Gonna be interesting. Lebron must be worried because there are unanswered questions and the Cavs are not stronger at the moment.

But losing 20-30 ppg from one player is just his shots evenly distributed among others, which might help with more ball movement and clean looks from their shooters. I don't think Rose is the answer, but it will be interesting to see if LeBron rubs off on him to be more unselfish and move the ball more, taking fewer inefficient shots. But I think IT will be back before Christmas. I wouldn't be totally surprised if he's back before Thanksgiving.

[Fo-Real]

I think that you are paying attention to some know nothing from Cleveland who is trying to build more vault for Kyrie. Kyrie maybe a very good scorer but he is a sucky point guard and not a player that you want to build your team around. If he were averaging 10 assists a game I would think differently but this is a player who is leading his team to -120 when he is on the floor and Lebron isnt doesnt that tell you something about the type of player he is?

Pretty **** sure you missed the first 7 words of my post.

How the words that you believe that the Suns should go after Kyrie in the first place to get a star as a draw in the first place. or that you believe that we have been swept back into the running because we softened our stance on our own first round pick. I dont believe that Kyrie is a star and I sure as heck dont want him in a suns uni for anything close to our 2018 draft pick. I believe that Boston grossly overpaid for Kyire.

Now I believe you dont understand the words FIRST SEVEN WORDS, I should have said first nine I guess, but Ill simplify down to the first three to help, they were I....DONT.....WANT. You are arguing with your self about someone wanting Irving, those voices aint real, seek help. Either you meant to quote someone else (I never argued that I wanted Kyrie, QUITE THE OPPOSITE), or you are just out of your goddamn mind.

[Waylay13]

Pretty **** sure you missed the first 7 words of my post.

How the words that you believe that the Suns should go after Kyrie in the first place to get a star as a draw in the first place. or that you believe that we have been swept back into the running because we softened our stance on our own first round pick. I dont believe that Kyrie is a star and I sure as heck dont want him in a suns uni for anything close to our 2018 draft pick. I believe that Boston grossly overpaid for Kyire.

Now I believe you dont understand the words FIRST SEVEN WORDS, I should have said first nine I guess, but Ill simplify down to the first three to help, they were I....DONT.....WANT. You are arguing with your self about someone wanting Irving, those voices aint real, seek help. Either you meant to quote someone else (I never argued that I wanted Kyrie, QUITE THE OPPOSITE), or you are just out of your goddamn mind.

I read your words as you didnt want to be in the middle of the current mess between Cleveland and Boston on trying to get in to make it a 3 way trade or to get Cleveland to back out of the trade with Boston and do the trade with the Suns.

So if you dont want Kyrie here, I am sorry that I misread your post.

[Damkac]

I don't know about you guys but I don't see Isaiah Thomas and LeBron James meshing well at all. I guarantee you Isaiah thomas thinks he is a better player than LeBron.

Isaiah Thomas's Head is THAT BIG

Same can be said about Kyrie.

[bwgood77]

I understand the Kyrie trade. What I don't understand whatsoever is the Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris deal. That's just turning shinola into ****.

Avery Bradley made almost $4 million more. It was a cap clearing move to be able to sign Hayward. They also knew that next offseason Bradley would be a FA and they wouldn't want to pay what it would cost to keep him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I understand the Kyrie trade. What I don't understand whatsoever is the Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris deal. That's just turning shinola into ****.

Avery Bradley made almost $4 million more. It was a cap clearing move to be able to sign Hayward. They also knew that next offseason Bradley would be a FA and they wouldn't want to pay what it would cost to keep him.

I guess that just shows that I misjudge the market. I would have thought that several teams would be willing to offer $5 million in savings.

Seriously, Marcus Morris is terrible.

[bwgood77]

Cleveland is screwed. They can't really compete this year without a pg. They need to do another deal.

Funny. They have DRose and IT and they still need a pg.


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If they just surround LeBron with shooters they will be fine. They'd probably play better if they didn't play Rose and just started JR Smith and Korver at guards. I'm not convinced IT will be out that long though. I think his injury is a bit overblown.

Cavs really just need more shooters and defenders so Lebron can orchestrate without expending a ton of energy guarding the Durant's, Greens', Thompsons and Curry's all game. Then they need a closer type player and that's where Thomas comes in. Rose isn't a closer, a PG or even a shooter so I don't think he will have a big impact for them anyway.

I still think IT's injury concerns are well-founded and a legitimate cause for concern. I've read a lot is dependent on his non-surgery recovery. If it's successful then he'll maybe miss the start of the season. If it's not as successful then he may need to go down the surgery route which could take him out of much of the season. That being said, regular season in the East is bit of a cake walk for any Lebron team and making playoffs isn't at risk even without an elite secondary scorer.

Cavs also have Calderon too and that might be the perfect place for him if he can get his shooting stroke back. His 3 pt shot suffered last year for whatever reason but the previous 4 years he shot over 40%, sometimes well over 40%. 46%, 45%, 41%, 41%. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldejo01.html

[bwgood77]

I understand the Kyrie trade. What I don't understand whatsoever is the Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris deal. That's just turning shinola into ****.

Avery Bradley made almost $4 million more. It was a cap clearing move to be able to sign Hayward. They also knew that next offseason Bradley would be a FA and they wouldn't want to pay what it would cost to keep him.

I guess that just shows that I misjudge the market. I would have thought that several teams would be willing to offer $5 million in savings.

Seriously, Marcus Morris is terrible.

I'm sure if they had a better offer they would have taken it. The problem is that there really were not that many teams with cap space left who are willing to trade a good contract for a guy who will cost a lot next summer. I mean how many non rookie contract guys make $5 million or less and are really good? If they are that good making that little they probably are not getting traded, but there probably are not many.

I also won't be surprised if Morris plays his best under Brad Stevens.

[GeraldsGreenery]

Booker is looking in tip top form. This year 3 jump might be something special. This was with Kyle Anderson and Danny Green guarding him.




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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Avery Bradley made almost $4 million more. It was a cap clearing move to be able to sign Hayward. They also knew that next offseason Bradley would be a FA and they wouldn't want to pay what it would cost to keep him.

I guess that just shows that I misjudge the market. I would have thought that several teams would be willing to offer $5 million in savings.

Seriously, Marcus Morris is terrible.

I'm sure if they had a better offer they would have taken it. The problem is that there really were not that many teams with cap space left who are willing to trade a good contract for a guy who will cost a lot next summer. I mean how many non rookie contract guys make $5 million or less and are really good? If they are that good making that little they probably are not getting traded, but there probably are not many.

I also won't be surprised if Morris plays his best under Brad Stevens.

I would have taken Bradley in for cap space. So I guess it makes the most sense to think that the Celtics actually wanted Marcus Morris on their basketball team.

[DirtyDez]

If they just surround LeBron with shooters they will be fine. They'd probably play better if they didn't play Rose and just started JR Smith and Korver at guards. I'm not convinced IT will be out that long though. I think his injury is a bit overblown.

Was Cleveland just leaking stuff about IT to screw with Boston?

Even if his injury is overblown, DRose is old and injury prone. IT is a question mark at this point. Is Calderon the answer?

Losing Kyrie is losing 20-30 sure point per game. Do they plan to make up for that with ball movement? More shots for Kevin Love?

Does IT come back and get stuck playing "super sub" again as a 6th man to provide scoring with Lebron out?

Gonna be interesting. Lebron must be worried because there are unanswered questions and the Cavs are not stronger at the moment.

But losing 20-30 ppg from one player is just his shots evenly distributed among others, which might help with more ball movement and clean looks from their shooters. I don't think Rose is the answer, but it will be interesting to see if LeBron rubs off on him to be more unselfish and move the ball more, taking fewer inefficient shots. But I think IT will be back before Christmas. I wouldn't be totally surprised if he's back before Thanksgiving.

If he's unable to jog a month before training camp he'll be out a while. When he does come back he won't be the old IT. His game is lateral quickness/hesitation moves so if he's limited physically he'll struggle to score and be the worst defender in the league. Maybe the Celtics didn't NEED a PG but they needed a big upgrade going forward and it sounds like Kyrie wants to play for Stevens.

[carey]

How's e'rybody?

[oddity]

How's e'rybody?

I'm doing fine thank you!
How's the kids?

[carey]

How's e'rybody?

I'm doing fine thank you!
How's the kids?

School started a few weeks ago. We were touch and go with the rains from Harvey out in NOLA but they weren't as bad as predicted. Sadly, there's another storm (Irma) out in the Atlantic headed straight for the gulf right now. Projections are all over the place. It could hit Florida or any one of the Southern states next week.

[TOO]

I hate how Gilbert has approached this. You rebuild AFTER your championship run is over. Right now, this year, all he should have been thinking about was how to win a championship. Doesn't matter whether Lebron leaves - have him leave on good terms, as a champion. Build your legacy. That Nets pick will accelerate their rebuild by one year. It's not worth cutting their contention short.

Terrible.

Gilbert didnt make Kyrie ask out. He added Rose, that's not a rebuild move, I think he did ok all things considered.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I hate how Gilbert has approached this. You rebuild AFTER your championship run is over. Right now, this year, all he should have been thinking about was how to win a championship. Doesn't matter whether Lebron leaves - have him leave on good terms, as a champion. Build your legacy. That Nets pick will accelerate their rebuild by one year. It's not worth cutting their contention short.

Terrible.

Gilbert didnt make Kyrie ask out. He added Rose, that's not a rebuild move, I think he did ok all things considered.

The return was good. The priorities appear to be wrong. He should be kissing Lebron's feet and selling that pick to the highest bidder. Who knows. Maybe he will.