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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

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Post#741 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:10 pm

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I like the top 2 PGs. I think one will be there with Miami's pick, because I don't have that much faith in Miami. They had a hot half a season. We had a team of BS have a full hot season in 2013. They have a very good coach but I think if Goran gets hurt even a little they will fall in the surprisingly more competitive than thought east.


It's still a crap shoot and none of these guys have even played college ball yet so no one is even close to proven. The top 5 looks clear cut and even a few players after that look like they could be solid, like Bridges and Williams. This is just not a good draft overall for point guards right now. There will probably be some players that emerge that people didn't expect and some that might be ranked higher now that fall. I mean tons of guys look good with their high school highlights. I think there is a good chance that wherever the Miami pick lands, there will be several better draft candidates than a PG, so with our team at that point do you really pass on better players to not take who looks like BPA and take a PG? It's hard to know.

The way it falls right here wouldn't be bad, if this is where two of the picks land....Bamba and Sexton. http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

And the Bucks won't finish in that spot.

If the "They haven't even played college ball yet" argument is going to be a response to any prognosis for guys in this next draft, then how can you be so sure that this draft isn't a good one for point guards. You can't simultaneously say it's a bad class while clinging to the "nobody is proven and nobody is a sure thing" logic. They are contradictory. Either you are comfortable beginning to make judgments on who you like or not based on what we do know or you aren't. You can't just pick and choose when to apply each logic.

I happen to like the top 2 pgs of this draft, and I also happen to not have the faith that you do in Miami. They are a Goran injury away from being even worse than us. Their one other "star" plays below his talent level. I realize they had a really great 2 months of hoops, but they have not replicated that since and have not.played well this year while the east has proven to be much more competitive than initially thought. I think that pick ends up somewhere 10-15, which would be in range for those pgs if projections held.

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Oh yeah, I expect it to be in the 10-15 range as well. I just don't expect to have to worry about them being bottom 7 like you were mentioning last night unless they get lucky in the lottery with a top 3 pick. I originally figured they'd get one of the last playoff spots, but with Detroit and Orlando looking good, and even Indiana and NY looking a little better than expected, the east is better than many anticipated.

I mean I'll trust the scouts and rankings along with you because that's all we have, but they will probably be fluid outside of the top 5, which has been the top 5 for awhile. But they can only scout so well when they haven't played too much against strong competition. The draft is even a crap shoot after the college season so it sure as hell is one now, particularly after the top 5 or 7.

I'll get to see Collin Sexton go against a strong AZ team fairly early in the college season so it will be interesting to see how he does. Not sure if he is one of the ones you like, but I know many have him as the highest ranked PG.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#742 » by jcsunsfan » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:19 pm

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Honestly, I was on that bandwagon hard when it was rolling. But I don't think they'll do it for the world. I wouldn't take that trade if I had him. It's a TON to give up for us, and they still wouldn't do it. Players like him are too rare. Honestly, I don't know if they'd take anything for him outside of Bron, Steph, etc etc.

if he wants out of New York we might have a chance

I am sorry. The Knicks would have to be fools to trade that guy for ANYTHING. If he wants out, they will just what the Lakers did with Kobe. Jus say no.

We probably should have just done that with Bledsoe. Said no. Make him play. Tell him that playing well is in her s best interest. Quietly shop him.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#743 » by Qwigglez » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:02 pm

I would trade two of our own future first, the two from Miaimi, the Bucks pick, Chriss, and Warren for KP.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#744 » by RaisingArizona » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:06 pm

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ginobiliflops wrote:Very interested in seeing where we go from here. Would love something out of left field like a godfather type offer for someone like Fox.


Fox has been awful. Terrible shooting %. TS% is 46.4% and eFG is 43.1%. From 3 23.1%. And he's even been worse defensively. We really need a PG who can shoot from the outside with TJ and JJ at the 3. JJ has been ok from 3 so far but I am not sure if it will hold up.

I know, but I think he is going to be really good due to this athleticism. Something like a Miami pick + Milwaukee's picks. I don't know. Just wondering how we can get a quality, young pg with potential back here.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#745 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:13 pm

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ginobiliflops wrote:Very interested in seeing where we go from here. Would love something out of left field like a godfather type offer for someone like Fox.


Fox has been awful. Terrible shooting %. TS% is 46.4% and eFG is 43.1%. From 3 23.1%. And he's even been worse defensively. We really need a PG who can shoot from the outside with TJ and JJ at the 3. JJ has been ok from 3 so far but I am not sure if it will hold up.

I know, but I think he is going to be really good due to this athleticism. Something like a Miami pick + Milwaukee's picks. I don't know. Just wondering how we can get a quality, young pg with potential back here.


The Kings wouldn't trade him anyway. The only way to get one is to get a good backup that is not being utilized and hasn't gotten the chance. The Magic started well without Payton and he's a lot like Fox. Can't shoot but is athletic and good at a lot of other things.

Heck, with DS Jr, Yogi Ferrell wouldn't be bad, but Carlisle likes him too much and he's cheap so they would be unlikely to give him up. He shoots over 40% from deep, but we would probably want someone bigger.

If Jeremy Lin opts out of his contract next summer we could go after him. Though he's been injured two years in a row so it would be risky.

Actually one guy I think would be great to get is Cory Joseph. Pacers probably wouldn't want to give him up though. He played under Pop for 4 years. He's solid.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#746 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:21 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Very interested in seeing where we go from here. Would love something out of left field like a godfather type offer for someone like Fox.


Fox has been awful. Terrible shooting %. TS% is 46.4% and eFG is 43.1%. From 3 23.1%. And he's even been worse defensively. We really need a PG who can shoot from the outside with TJ and JJ at the 3. JJ has been ok from 3 so far but I am not sure if it will hold up.

I know, but I think he is going to be really good due to this athleticism. Something like a Miami pick + Milwaukee's picks. I don't know. Just wondering how we can get a quality, young pg with potential back here.

I like Fox but I don't think they'd let him go so early and for anything less than a Godfather type offer which I don't really have an interest in offering.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#747 » by Kerrsed » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:27 pm

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Surely there is a veteran PG who would enjoy the opportunity to take over a young, talented, underachieving team?


A few ideas from the T&T board:

Brandon Jennings
Julyan Stone
Spencer Dinwiddie (per Saberestar)


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#748 » by RaisingArizona » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:34 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#749 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:38 pm

I get wanting to get a look at okafor. What I don't get is why not trade a 2nd rounder for him a couple weeks ago and pick up his rookie option. That way if he plays well you have him at a cost controlled number. If not no big deal he's off the books by summer of 19.

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#751 » by sunskerr » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:57 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
Surely there is a veteran PG who would enjoy the opportunity to take over a young, talented, underachieving team?


A few ideas from the T&T board:

Brandon Jennings
Julyan Stone
Spencer Dinwiddie (per Saberestar)


Sold on Bayless and especially Dinwiddle. Both are much better than Mike James. I think Dinwiddle in particular is certainly capable of becoming essentially just like Malcolm Brogdom whom we were coveting very much. That being said, I'm sure his trade value is very high.
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Post#752 » by NTB » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:01 am

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Post#753 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:02 am

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#754 » by Waylay13 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:07 am

sunsfever68 wrote:Flip Monroe for Okafor

Okafor off the bench as the backup big w Warren who provide an awesome bench scoring punch.

trade Tyson asap get his contract off the books.

I want to see what we can do with Okafor off the bench.


Why does anyone want anything to do with Okafor? He can't even get any playing time on 76er when their star center is on the IR for the year.
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Post#755 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:11 am

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Yeah, I mentioned that. It seemed like the 2nd was a hedge in case they didn't get the pick this year but they were off by a pick.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#756 » by Blackification » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:13 am

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Watch him try to include Chandlers contract on a deal with Okafor
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#757 » by JDJ26 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:15 am

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Honestly, I was on that bandwagon hard when it was rolling. But I don't think they'll do it for the world. I wouldn't take that trade if I had him. It's a TON to give up for us, and they still wouldn't do it. Players like him are too rare. Honestly, I don't know if they'd take anything for him outside of Bron, Steph, etc etc.

if he wants out of New York we might have a chance

I am sorry. The Knicks would have to be fools to trade that guy for ANYTHING. If he wants out, they will just what the Lakers did with Kobe. Jus say no.

We probably should have just done that with Bledsoe. Said no. Make him play. Tell him that playing well is in her s best interest. Quietly shop him.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#758 » by Kerrsed » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:30 am

Waylay13 wrote:
sunsfever68 wrote:Flip Monroe for Okafor

Okafor off the bench as the backup big w Warren who provide an awesome bench scoring punch.

trade Tyson asap get his contract off the books.

I want to see what we can do with Okafor off the bench.


Why does anyone want anything to do with Okafor? He can't even get any playing time on 76er when their star center is on the IR for the year.


Because as a rookie (When he was actually getting minutes) he was able to put up an efficient 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, an assist and a block. We would be ecstatic if Len could do that.



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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#759 » by Qwigglez » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:19 am

ginobiliflops wrote:^ I shut him down in high school. PASS

Hey me too.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#760 » by Qwigglez » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:20 am

We really need to get someone who can help score with Booker so I'll take Okafor since he fits our timeline garbage.

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