2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????
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Is it a coincidence this is happening the same day it's announced Boogie is being released?
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bigfoot wrote:Barkley6 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
Suns still have the Bi-annual Cap exception for players that might be bought out.
George HIll - but probably has trade value
PJ Tucker might be bought out - but also probably has trade value.
Question is....do we need someone? We've got good players on our roster now that can't get burn (Galloway comes to mind). I wouldn't mind adding a big man to upgrade on Kaminsky....but Kaminsky has also had some big games for us, and we are undefeated with him in the lineup....
I'm glad we've moved on from Jones....but I'm curious to see what happens next.
We definitely need a reliable backup big in case something happens to Frank or Ayton or Saric.
Would love PJ back but the guy is playing decent rotation minutes and I'm not sure we can get him that on the Suns. Any addition, unless they are elite players, will have to understand that they may not play the minutes they are accustomed to.
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Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
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lilfishi22 wrote:bigfoot wrote:Barkley6 wrote:
Question is....do we need someone? We've got good players on our roster now that can't get burn (Galloway comes to mind). I wouldn't mind adding a big man to upgrade on Kaminsky....but Kaminsky has also had some big games for us, and we are undefeated with him in the lineup....
I'm glad we've moved on from Jones....but I'm curious to see what happens next.
We definitely need a reliable backup big in case something happens to Frank or Ayton or Saric.
Would love PJ back but the guy is playing decent rotation minutes and I'm not sure we can get him that on the Suns. Any addition, unless they are elite players, will have to understand that they may not play the minutes they are accustomed to.
At least not right away, BUT if a guy like say Boogie shows that he can still recapture something like his old self....I'm all for him playing solid minutes.
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irish22022 wrote:Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
NOPE.
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Barkley6 wrote:BobbieL wrote:Barkley6 wrote:Shams reporting Suns waiving Jones. Roster spot open now....
Suns still have the Bi-annual Cap exception for players that might be bought out.
George HIll - but probably has trade value
PJ Tucker might be bought out - but also probably has trade value.
Question is....do we need someone? We've got good players on our roster now that can't get burn (Galloway comes to mind). I wouldn't mind adding a big man to upgrade on Kaminsky....but Kaminsky has also had some big games for us, and we are undefeated with him in the lineup....
I'm glad we've moved on from Jones....but I'm curious to see what happens next.
You make a good point. Except for a big, not sure the right player. As you stated, Galloway and Moore are getting inconsistent miniutes. But I like having them on the roster. I am just glad that as it stands now, the Suns would be teams that might be of interest to players bought out.
Lets just hope it doesn't become "almost getting Barry but getting Giricek" type deal.
I think Hill and Tucker if bought out probably go to other teams. But might be a fun trading deadline as a buyer and not a seller!
The few names that I can come up with are Javale McGee from the Cavs, Robin Lopez from the Wizards and Ed Davis from the Twolves as buyout candidates.
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Barkley6 wrote:Is it a coincidence this is happening the same day it's announced Boogie is being released?
No, his season would have been fully guaranteed on Feb 25
I think this way he was owed 350k.
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irish22022 wrote:Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...

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BobbieL wrote:Barkley6 wrote:Is it a coincidence this is happening the same day it's announced Boogie is being released?
No, his season would have been fully guaranteed on Feb 25
I think this way he was owed 350k.
I just meant the fact that we did it a couple days before we had to, makes it seem like there was another factor in waiving him TODAY rather than tomorrow or the 25th.
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Saberestar wrote:
Wow finger on the pulse there. Looking to add.....anything that makes them better. Cutting edge stuff from Gambo as usual.
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Draymond would **** up our spacing something fierce.
He’s not really playable on offense unless you have Steph + Klay + two other good shooters.
I wouldn’t trade Jae OR Dario OR a 1st rd pick for him.
He’s not really playable on offense unless you have Steph + Klay + two other good shooters.
I wouldn’t trade Jae OR Dario OR a 1st rd pick for him.
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Barkley6 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:bigfoot wrote:
We definitely need a reliable backup big in case something happens to Frank or Ayton or Saric.
Would love PJ back but the guy is playing decent rotation minutes and I'm not sure we can get him that on the Suns. Any addition, unless they are elite players, will have to understand that they may not play the minutes they are accustomed to.
At least not right away, BUT if a guy like say Boogie shows that he can still recapture something like his old self....I'm all for him playing solid minutes.
Mentioned in a previous post but he's too much of a risk from a chemistry and personality standpoint to add to this team. Unlike the Warriors when they took a punt on Boogie, they've already won multiple titles, their core guys have been together for close to a decade and they have a system they've played and won under for half a decade at that point. That's a low risk, high reward pick up for them.
It's a different situation for us. Our core group of rotation players have only been together since this season and arguably the chemistry has only been build up a couple of weeks ago, it's just far too risky to add a guy like Boogie to the team.
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lilfishi22 wrote:Barkley6 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Would love PJ back but the guy is playing decent rotation minutes and I'm not sure we can get him that on the Suns. Any addition, unless they are elite players, will have to understand that they may not play the minutes they are accustomed to.
At least not right away, BUT if a guy like say Boogie shows that he can still recapture something like his old self....I'm all for him playing solid minutes.
Mentioned in a previous post but he's too much of a risk from a chemistry and personality standpoint to add to this team. Unlike the Warriors when they took a punt on Boogie, they've already won multiple titles, their core guys have been together for close to a decade and they have a system they've played and won under for half a decade at that point. That's a low risk, high reward pick up for them.
It's a different situation for us. Our core group of rotation players have only been together since this season and arguably the chemistry has only been build up a couple of weeks ago, it's just far too risky to add a guy like Boogie to the team.
I wonder if all the injuries have humbled him a bit and he’ll just be glad to be healthy and playing winning basketball.
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irish22022 wrote:Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
Not a chance in hell. I honestly don't think our defense improves dramatically, I mean it's already pretty good now. But our offense is going to absolutely tank. Without Crowder and Saric, we lose shooting, we lose scoring, we lose real depth and we also lose two great locker room guys.
Draymond is averaging FIVE points per game....FIVE. And that's only absolutely abysmal efficiency.
AND that's without even comparing the very cap friendly deals both Saric and Crowder are on (both on $9-10m a year for 3yrs) whereas Draymond is on a relatively mammoth $25m a year until he's in his mid-30's.
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lilfishi22 wrote:irish22022 wrote:Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
Not a chance in hell. I honestly don't think our defense improves dramatically, I mean it's already pretty good now. But our offense is going to absolutely tank. Without Crowder and Saric, we lose shooting, we lose scoring, we lose real depth and we also lose two great locker room guys.
Draymond is averaging FIVE points per game....FIVE. And that's only absolutely abysmal efficiency.
AND that's without even comparing the very cap friendly deals both Saric and Crowder are on (both on $9-10m a year for 3yrs) whereas Draymond is on a relatively mammoth $25m a year until he's in his mid-30's.
Wow. 5 ppg on <40% eFG%... I didnt realise that. No matter how good of a defender or passer (and he has regressed there) you are, you can't be getting paid $25m+ a year and be doing that.
I'd rather have Wiggins, which is saying something.
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We don't have any room to add players. Who's minutes do they take? Frank maybe?
I'd be happy if we fill that spot with a vet who can share experience and be content riding the bench.
As for Tucker, I think Houston will settle for a couple 2nds, in any trade, if they have to. But if he's bought out, he'll be on BKN most likely since they have so many spots to offer. Otherwise, the LA teams.
Cousins won't come here to not play and I don't want him here (which is what Sarver will care most about
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McGee...probably Nets. Don't think the Lakers can get him since they dealt him to the Cavs.
Drummond, probably Brooklyn but would prefer to see him in Charlotte.
I'd be happy if we fill that spot with a vet who can share experience and be content riding the bench.
As for Tucker, I think Houston will settle for a couple 2nds, in any trade, if they have to. But if he's bought out, he'll be on BKN most likely since they have so many spots to offer. Otherwise, the LA teams.
Cousins won't come here to not play and I don't want him here (which is what Sarver will care most about
McGee...probably Nets. Don't think the Lakers can get him since they dealt him to the Cavs.
Drummond, probably Brooklyn but would prefer to see him in Charlotte.
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irish22022 wrote:Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
I feel Saric and Crowder are more valuable to the team.
Something to ponder if we are stuck in the mud next year but by then Green won't be the same player.
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suns12345 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:irish22022 wrote:Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.
And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...
Not a chance in hell. I honestly don't think our defense improves dramatically, I mean it's already pretty good now. But our offense is going to absolutely tank. Without Crowder and Saric, we lose shooting, we lose scoring, we lose real depth and we also lose two great locker room guys.
Draymond is averaging FIVE points per game....FIVE. And that's only absolutely abysmal efficiency.
AND that's without even comparing the very cap friendly deals both Saric and Crowder are on (both on $9-10m a year for 3yrs) whereas Draymond is on a relatively mammoth $25m a year until he's in his mid-30's.
Wow. 5 ppg on <40% eFG%... I didnt realise that. No matter how good of a defender or passer (and he has regressed there) you are, you can't be getting paid $25m+ a year and be doing that.
I'd rather have Wiggins, which is saying something.
Yeah not that I was expecting Draymond to contribute much offensively because he was never an offensive player outside of being a pretty good facilitator but that was passable when you have two/three historically great scorers/shooters around him like Steph, KD and Klay but on any other team, he's a liability. I just don't see the need for a guy like him even if he was a DPOY level player because our issues on defense isn't large enough that requires a DPOY level player to come in to set things right and our offense is certainly not good enough to take in an inefficient 5ppg scorer in place of Saric and Crowder who are more than solid on that end.
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Booker missed out, CP3 an all star




