The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[PhxSunsFan1234]

With respect to the Suns he has not had any information for several years. He is just throwing things out there to try to make himself relevant.

This. Why would Suns make it "known" to everyone now they're exploring trade options after they've been so secretive about all their transactions up to this point? Give all the leverage to other teams? Don't see it happening.

To let all teams know that we are looking to trade him and get them in a bidding war against each other. Its what the Wolves did with Love. They kept saying that they weren't "actively seeking" to trade Love, but when they didnt get the offers that they liked, they let the word out that they were looking for a trade, then started leaking info about what teams were offering, to get other teams to step up their offers. Its all a game. I highly doubt that GS was offering up Klay, but MIN puts that info out there to drive up the price with Cleveland.

Im sure we already have had some initial offers (Sources have confirmed that), we said we weren't trading him and didnt like the offers we were getting. Now we let it out that we will trade him, and let the teams that are interested in him bid against each other, all the while we help increase his price by lying and leaking out bad info as to what the offers are.

So in other words, Yes, i do see it happening and see why we would now "let it be known".

You're comparing apples and oranges. Teams aren't going to bid for a PG whose started 43 career games and has a history of knee injuries. Whereas Kevin Love put up monster MVP like numbers for a couple seasons now and plays a position of need for a lot of teams.

You also know what you're going to get in Kevin Love. Still some uncertainty with Bledsoe. Lets not forget there could be a "bidding" war, but ultimately it's up to Bledsoe signing extension to get anything done.

Teams won't overpay him. Suns still have leverage by him taking the QO which is a HUGE risk for him. Love is already getting paid and said he's leaving. Suns could still keep Bledsoe or let him risk everything.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

If you're the Suns GM/Coach, the way all this played out if we're not competing during the season and one of the bottom feeders (and Bledsoe takes QO), do you put him in the dog house so he loses value?

Or does that not sit well for other players? In this scenario, I could see Bledsoe being less aggressive to avoid getting hurt although unlikely still.

[NapoleonII]

If Bledsoe signs the QO, it means he doesn't want to play here period.

I disagree. He wants money. Lots of it. Signing the QO keeps that dream alive although it comes with a risk (injury). Unless we antagonize him (more than the rumors suggest) I'm pretty sure he'd sign a max deal the moment we put it in front of him. I'd be more convinced that he simply wanted out if he were to take a two year deal for something along the lines of our opening offer (12 per) hoping to be in a position similar to Love's this season. Two years allows teams enough time to clear the room and gather the assets needed for the deal while providing some security for him in the interim.

He (and his dolt of an agent) need to look at the opportunity cost of signing for the QO.

48m over 4 years = 12m per year.

12m this year -
QO

= money lost this year.

Max contract (which isn't happening...who is going to give him the max?) over 5 years - the money lost this year = stupid, stupid when you consider his injury concerns and Isaiah Thomas being right behind him.

[GOGI_4_MVP]

A lot of ppl on this board back in May thought Bledsoe was staying a Sun.
Thought the exit interview was nothing to read into


Boy was you wrong
At least Bledsoe kept it professional when he did play for the Suns. You would of never thought he wanted out.
Till that interview of course

Talking about the posters back in May. What happened to all those that registered when Lebron to PHX was still a small possibility?

Some of us are still around...just saying.

[Sun Scorched]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

[bwgood77]

If you're the Suns GM/Coach, the way all this played out if we're not competing during the season and one of the bottom feeders (and Bledsoe takes QO), do you put him in the dog house so he loses value?

Or does that not sit well for other players? In this scenario, I could see Bledsoe being less aggressive to avoid getting hurt although unlikely still.

If we are one of the bottom feeders than getting him playing time should be one of our last priorities.

[bwgood77]

If Bledsoe signs the QO, it means he doesn't want to play here period.

I disagree. He wants money. Lots of it. Signing the QO keeps that dream alive although it comes with a risk (injury). Unless we antagonize him (more than the rumors suggest) I'm pretty sure he'd sign a max deal the moment we put it in front of him. I'd be more convinced that he simply wanted out if he were to take a two year deal for something along the lines of our opening offer (12 per) hoping to be in a position similar to Love's this season. Two years allows teams enough time to clear the room and gather the assets needed for the deal while providing some security for him in the interim.

He (and his dolt of an agent) need to look at the opportunity cost of signing for the QO.

48m over 4 years = 12m per year.

12m this year -
QO

= money lost this year.

Max contract (which isn't happening...who is going to give him the max?) over 5 years - the money lost this year = stupid, stupid when you consider his injury concerns and Isaiah Thomas being right behind him.

They need to look at the next four years as a whole. Our deal 48 million.

QO = 3.7 million. That means he would need to get a contract paying him more than 44.3 million over the following 3 years. That's an average of close to 15 million a year (14.8). The current max contract a guy can sign who has been in the league 6 years or less starts at 14.7.

So he would HAVE to get close to a max contract next summer (I assume the 14.7 first year max salary for player in the league 6 years or less goes up) just to get back to even.

And there really are just not that many teams that need point guards. You have Rondo as a FA next year too so Boston may let him go and play Smart. You have other teams going young and playing MCW and Elfrid Payton. You have the Harrison twins (forgot which one is a PG) coming out next year and perhaps other good point guards.

The only teams that seem like they might want a PG and will have cap space next summer are maybe Sacramento and Milwaukee. Will they offer him the max? Maybe, but he would have to go to one of those two places, so he has to consider how risky it is to take the QO....the following things would have to occur for him to break even:

Not getting injured (huge risk).
Someone willing to pay him the max. (huge risk)
Does he even like those destinations that need pgs/have cap space?

[JDLAW]

Playing for the QO also means that he will never get that 5 year deal he so wants. Only the Suns can give that to him and they cannot do a S&T to another team for 5 yrs.

FYI Gambo said there is nothing to this take it to the bank guarantee from LaCava.

[Revived]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

I don't think the Warriors would do it even if the Suns threw in Dragic.

[Sun Scorched]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

I don't think the Warriors would do it even if the Suns threw in Dragic.

Think that's a bit extreme.

[Revived]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

I don't think the Warriors would do it even if the Suns threw in Dragic.

Think that's a bit extreme.

Curry's a top 5 player in the NBA. Try proposing that trade on the Warriors board, I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who would say they'd do it.

For the record I'm not sure I would even offer that from the Suns perspective cause I like our players more.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

Wait, you're being serious? LOL.


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[Revived]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

Wait, you're being serious? LOL.


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He said hypothetical.

[Saberestar]

Suns will listen when they get calls on any of their players but are not shopping any of their players

like a lot of players Suns have fielded a couple of calls on Bledsoe that have gone no where but are not initiating calls

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gambo987

[lilfishi22]

Some of us are still around...just saying.

Good to have some still around and contributing and not just cashing in on the Lebron/Phoenix hype then leaving without a word.

[lilfishi22]

In a hypothetical world where good things happen to the Suns.... haha.... I wanted to make sure that this didn't sound as crazy out loud:

Eric Bledsoe (S&T) + Tyler Ennis + Markieff Morris + Marcus Morris + 2015 LAL 1st for Stephen Curry + David Lee

PG - Curry / Thomas
SG - Dragic / Goodwin
SF - Tucker / Warren
PF - Lee / Tolliver
C - Plumlee / Len

At best Dragic=Curry so it's not worth changing what has been working for the Warriors.

[Kerrsed]

After all the talk this summer with Minnesota about them wanting to win ASAP to throw it in Loves face and them looking for veteran players in return, i would look to steal Wiggins from them.

They are trading Love for Wiggins/Bennett/Protected 2015 1st.

From there Bennett is getting flipped to the 76ers for Young, making the deal Love for Wiggins/Young/1st.

I would offer the Wolves Bledsoe/Green/Future 1st/Wolve's 1st back for Wiggins/Shabazz.

That would essentially be them getting Young/Bledsoe/Green/3 1st's for Love/Shabazz.

Another thing that im hearing is that since Boston missed out on Love, they are once again looking at trading Rondo. Sacramento's name has been thrown out there, as have Cleveland (Irving). Also, may teams in the league still value Hibbert. Even though we arnt high on him, Indiana is high on getting a real PG to help them with the loss of George. Ship Bledsoe to them and Hibbert to a 3rd team.

[lilfishi22]

After all the talk this summer with Minnesota about them wanting to win ASAP to throw it in Loves face and them looking for veteran players in return, i would look to steal Wiggins from them.

They are trading Love for Wiggins/Bennett/Protected 2015 1st.

From there Bennett is getting flipped to the 76ers for Young, making the deal Love for Wiggins/Young/1st.

I would offer the Wolves Bledsoe/Green/Future 1st/Wolve's 1st back for Wiggins/Shabazz.

That would essentially be them getting Young/Bledsoe/Green/3 1st's for Love/Shabazz.

Another thing that im hearing is that since Boston missed out on Love, they are once again looking at trading Rondo. Sacramento's name has been thrown out there, as have Cleveland (Irving). Also, may teams in the league still value Hibbert. Even though we arnt high on him, Indiana is high on getting a real PG to help them with the loss of George. Ship Bledsoe to them and Hibbert to a 3rd team.

I don't know how you would be able to sell that. Bledsoe could be signed outright after next season so they aren't going to give up Wiggins for Green + two 1st's.

[RunDogGun]

And wouldn't we need Bledsoe to accept the trade?

[SunsFanSSOL]

PHX receives: Terrence Jones, Robin Lopez

HOU receives: Eric Bledsoe

POR receives: Miles Plumlee, Patrick Beverly

Suns get the 2nd best rim protector in the league and a good friend of Dragic with Lopez, and get a young PF with a high ceiling who is also good friends with the Morris bros in Jones.

Rockets get their third "star" and address their PG problem.

The Blazers get an athletic replacement for Lopez with Plumlee and a defensive minded PG who they can put next to Lillard and fills the absence of Mo Williams with Beverly.