2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[Qwigglez]

Just want to say that chick is totally lying. As a Navy veteran I see a lot of similarities between sailors and basketball players. Sailors hit different port visits all across the world and first thing they look for is drinks and girls. Not once have I ever gone out or seen any sailors go out and want to run a train on a chick. I’d like to think basketball players have a higher standard than that. Also, there’s been port visits where there has been a long line outside of Medical because sailors caught something. I know the NBA has orientation for rookies on this sort of thing and the diseases you can get.

[Saberestar]

I like Bjelica a lot. Especially as a potential Kaminsky replacement. Maybe even Saric replacement if he costs too much to keep.

He is 32 years old and a mediocre defender... that is why the Kings will probably pass on him for $7M.

Dario Saric is better than Bjelica at everything except 3p shooting, so I would not consider him a good replacement.

We need to be careful about signing old role players. You know how that worked in the recent past with Ariza, Dudley, Chandler...I would stay away.

He is older than Saric sure. However, Saric actually IS NOT better than Bjelica in most categories. Bjelica slightly beats him in basically all categories aside from free throws and 2 point FG %.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1_select=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1=saricda01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2_select=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2=bjeline01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

Now, You're right that they're both pretty mediocre defenders, And I do really like Sarics' effort and occasional tenacity. But in all honesty, Saric was brought here to be a floor spacing big for Ayton. That particular purpose that neither he or Kaminsky has been able to consistently provide. Now again, I would be willing to bring Saric back for around 7-8 at the most, But not anything more than that until.......
He actually shows a full season of CONSISTENT PRODUCTION. His 8 games were very encouraging, But overall, an 8 game sample size is not enough to warrant possibly overpaying for him, When over his entire time here, He's still been wildly inconsistent, And hasn't at all been able to space the floor consistently, Which again was the primary reason we brought him here in the first place. And Frank, Whilst streaky at times has shown be nothing more than a veterans minimum level player so far.

So with respect to Bjelica, I'd tender Saric the qualifying offer, Let the market determine his value. AND if he gets anything above 8 million a year, He can walk. And I'd tender that 8 million per offer to Bjelica for a 1-2 yr deal and see what an actual legitimate floor spacing big could do for Ayton and Booker. Kaminsky can walk, And I'd replace him with a high level 3 and D big in the draft that's actually athletic, Can block shots and defend multiple positions for us. Jalen Smith/ Paul Reed/ Precious Achiuwa all come to mind. **IF no one picks up Kaminsky for anything over the veterans minimum, I may be willing to offer him that on a 1 yr deal just for additional depth.

I disagree. I would pay Saric $25M/3 years over $16M/2 years for Bjelica.

You are just comparing them on their last season, but why you are not comparing them for all their time in the league?

Bjelica has been in the NBA since he was 27 years old, he has already played 5 seasons and he has been mediocre (at best) all those years. From 27 to 32 years old.

Saric has been in the league 4 seasons (from 22 to 26 years old) and he has played better than Bjelica...and you can expect better production in his prime (from 27 to 29 years old).

Players decrease their production when they get old... it is what it is...it is not a secret.

So I would bet that Saric is gonna be way better than Bjelica for the next two/three years in their careers.

[Slim Charless]

He is 32 years old and a mediocre defender... that is why the Kings will probably pass on him for $7M.

Dario Saric is better than Bjelica at everything except 3p shooting, so I would not consider him a good replacement.

We need to be careful about signing old role players. You know how that worked in the recent past with Ariza, Dudley, Chandler...I would stay away.

He is older than Saric sure. However, Saric actually IS NOT better than Bjelica in most categories. Bjelica slightly beats him in basically all categories aside from free throws and 2 point FG %.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1_select=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1=saricda01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2_select=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2=bjeline01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

Now, You're right that they're both pretty mediocre defenders, And I do really like Sarics' effort and occasional tenacity. But in all honesty, Saric was brought here to be a floor spacing big for Ayton. That particular purpose that neither he or Kaminsky has been able to consistently provide. Now again, I would be willing to bring Saric back for around 7-8 at the most, But not anything more than that until.......
He actually shows a full season of CONSISTENT PRODUCTION. His 8 games were very encouraging, But overall, an 8 game sample size is not enough to warrant possibly overpaying for him, When over his entire time here, He's still been wildly inconsistent, And hasn't at all been able to space the floor consistently, Which again was the primary reason we brought him here in the first place. And Frank, Whilst streaky at times has shown be nothing more than a veterans minimum level player so far.

So with respect to Bjelica, I'd tender Saric the qualifying offer, Let the market determine his value. AND if he gets anything above 8 million a year, He can walk. And I'd tender that 8 million per offer to Bjelica for a 1-2 yr deal and see what an actual legitimate floor spacing big could do for Ayton and Booker. Kaminsky can walk, And I'd replace him with a high level 3 and D big in the draft that's actually athletic, Can block shots and defend multiple positions for us. Jalen Smith/ Paul Reed/ Precious Achiuwa all come to mind. **IF no one picks up Kaminsky for anything over the veterans minimum, I may be willing to offer him that on a 1 yr deal just for additional depth.

I disagree. I would pay Saric $25M/3 years over $16M/2 years for Bjelica.

You are just comparing them on their last season, but why you are not comparing them for all their time in the league?

Bjelica has been in the NBA since he was 27 years old, he has already played 5 seasons and he has been mediocre (at best) all those years. From 27 to 32 years old.

Saric has been in the league 4 seasons (from 22 to 26 years old) and he has played better than Bjelica...and you can expect better production in his prime (from 27 to 29 years old).

Players decrease their production when they get old... it is what it is...it is not a secret.

So I would bet that Saric is gonna be way better than Bjelica for the next two/three years in their careers.

Alot of this should depend on where we end up on Thursday. If we can get into a spot where we can land Toppin then what's the point of Saric? Aren't they essentially doing the same things? Toppin would give us a big body that can hit the 3, grab some boards while somewhat getting in the way of opposing bigs. That's Saric. We lose some vet leadership but it isn't like Saric has won a chip or anything so we're not losing that much. This is while being younger and cheaper.

If we land Toppin I see no reason to pursue Saric this fall. This is of course provided we don't make any trades in the off-season.

[sunsbg]

The way the Bucks are playing right now, Giannis may start looking for a new team very soon.

[Ghost of Kleine]

He is 32 years old and a mediocre defender... that is why the Kings will probably pass on him for $7M.

Dario Saric is better than Bjelica at everything except 3p shooting, so I would not consider him a good replacement.

We need to be careful about signing old role players. You know how that worked in the recent past with Ariza, Dudley, Chandler...I would stay away.

He is older than Saric sure. However, Saric actually IS NOT better than Bjelica in most categories. Bjelica slightly beats him in basically all categories aside from free throws and 2 point FG %.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1_select=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1=saricda01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2_select=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2=bjeline01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

Now, You're right that they're both pretty mediocre defenders, And I do really like Sarics' effort and occasional tenacity. But in all honesty, Saric was brought here to be a floor spacing big for Ayton. That particular purpose that neither he or Kaminsky has been able to consistently provide. Now again, I would be willing to bring Saric back for around 7-8 at the most, But not anything more than that until.......
He actually shows a full season of CONSISTENT PRODUCTION. His 8 games were very encouraging, But overall, an 8 game sample size is not enough to warrant possibly overpaying for him, When over his entire time here, He's still been wildly inconsistent, And hasn't at all been able to space the floor consistently, Which again was the primary reason we brought him here in the first place. And Frank, Whilst streaky at times has shown be nothing more than a veterans minimum level player so far.

So with respect to Bjelica, I'd tender Saric the qualifying offer, Let the market determine his value. AND if he gets anything above 8 million a year, He can walk. And I'd tender that 8 million per offer to Bjelica for a 1-2 yr deal and see what an actual legitimate floor spacing big could do for Ayton and Booker. Kaminsky can walk, And I'd replace him with a high level 3 and D big in the draft that's actually athletic, Can block shots and defend multiple positions for us. Jalen Smith/ Paul Reed/ Precious Achiuwa all come to mind. **IF no one picks up Kaminsky for anything over the veterans minimum, I may be willing to offer him that on a 1 yr deal just for additional depth.

I disagree. I would pay Saric $25M/3 years over $16M/2 years for Bjelica.

You are just comparing them on their last season, but why you are not comparing them for all their time in the league?

Bjelica has been in the NBA since he was 27 years old, he has already played 5 seasons and he has been mediocre (at best) all those years. From 27 to 32 years old.

Saric has been in the league 4 seasons (from 22 to 26 years old) and he has played better than Bjelica...and you can expect better production in his prime (from 27 to 29 years old).

Players decrease their production when they get old... it is what it is...it is not a secret.

So I would bet that Saric is gonna be way better than Bjelica for the next two/three years in their careers.

It's perfectly fine to disagree man!

And I did say that I'd be willing to bring Saric back for up to 8 million per. Which is obviously only like a difference of 8 million to your 8.3 million. But for my part, I'd make it 8 million for two WITH BENCHMARK INCENTIVES. Wherein, IF he stays consistent, stays productive, he'll recieve payscale increases, That can increase his salary accordingly up to around 12 million or so Also, 2nd and 3rd year being team option ( just in case)! Now as for their careers, many different factors would and should of course be considered. But for me personally, I care far more about what their production is currently, And what role and production they'd currently be able to offer us that would be beneficial as opposed to what they've done in the past. I'm also not overtly concerned with his current age, As he'd obviously not be a long term signing on a 2 yr deal tops.


I mean we could even put in partial guarantees if it's that big of a concern. But of the two players currently, Bjelica has shown recently over the to be a much better FLOOR SPACING option than Saric has for at least 2-3 seasons. And let's be honest, Isn't that what we brought him here for? And again neither Saric or Kaminsky were able to fulfill that role for us. So if it came down to overpaying for Saric ( in order to match an offer), Or potentially paying less for a very similar player that IS a much better and more reliable floor spacer, on a short term deal ( 2 yrs/ 2nd year team option), I'd have absolutely no issues whatsoever with signing Bjelica for 7-8 million as a fall back plan. But of course feel free to disagree man. Differing perspectives are sometimes a good thing after all. As for their comparable market value, We'll know pretty soon where each is at???

[Ghost of Kleine]

The way the Bucks are playing right now, Giannis may start looking for a new team very soon.

Cap flexibility guys!!! This will be key for us in 2021.

[BobbieL]

The way the Bucks are playing right now, Giannis may start looking for a new team very soon.

Cap flexibility guys!!! This will be key for us in 2021.

I truly think so. Maybe not for Giannis or AD - but yes, is there a player in this free agent class that can put you over the top? If so, thats fine. But if they are "just a guy" and are overpaid - be smart. I am okay letting the team grow, finding the right role playing veterans to come in and really improve before you take a swing into big time free agency in 2021.

[King4Day]

The way the Bucks are playing right now, Giannis may start looking for a new team very soon.

Cap flexibility guys!!! This will be key for us in 2021.

I truly think so. Maybe not for Giannis or AD - but yes, is there a player in this free agent class that can put you over the top? If so, thats fine. But if they are "just a guy" and are overpaid - be smart. I am okay letting the team grow, finding the right role playing veterans to come in and really improve before you take a swing into big time free agency in 2021.

Oubre will be our big 'free agent signing' IMO.
I fully expect the Bucks to run the table, against the Magic, from this point on but this shows how no HCA could be a factor for teams who might need it.
Not sure if Milwaukee does but that's a major factor out the window.

[bigfoot]

Cap flexibility guys!!! This will be key for us in 2021.

I truly think so. Maybe not for Giannis or AD - but yes, is there a player in this free agent class that can put you over the top? If so, thats fine. But if they are "just a guy" and are overpaid - be smart. I am okay letting the team grow, finding the right role playing veterans to come in and really improve before you take a swing into big time free agency in 2021.

Oubre will be our big 'free agent signing' IMO.
I fully expect the Bucks to run the table, against the Magic, from this point on but this shows how no HCA could be a factor for teams who might need it.
Not sure if Milwaukee does but that's a major factor out the window.

Reality is the Suns will only be able to attract a big-name free agent like Giannis if the Suns get very close to 50 wins next year and make some noise in the playoffs. Also, the Bucks will need to flounder a bit in both the playoffs and next season. Right now Giannas really doesn't have that second superstar on his team. Pairing he and Booker would be special.

I really think the Bucks pulled a Joe Johnson-like move when they let Brogdon walk when he was an RFA. I mean really, Brogdon for a 1st and 2-2nds. All because Bledose was their anointed point guard and they overpaid him. Boy, karma would be the Bledsoe trade netting us Giannis next summer.

[King4Day]

I truly think so. Maybe not for Giannis or AD - but yes, is there a player in this free agent class that can put you over the top? If so, thats fine. But if they are "just a guy" and are overpaid - be smart. I am okay letting the team grow, finding the right role playing veterans to come in and really improve before you take a swing into big time free agency in 2021.

Oubre will be our big 'free agent signing' IMO.
I fully expect the Bucks to run the table, against the Magic, from this point on but this shows how no HCA could be a factor for teams who might need it.
Not sure if Milwaukee does but that's a major factor out the window.

Reality is the Suns will only be able to attract a big-name free agent like Giannis if the Suns get very close to 50 wins next year and make some noise in the playoffs. Also, the Bucks will need to flounder a bit in both the playoffs and next season. Right now Giannas really doesn't have that second superstar on his team. Pairing he and Booker would be special.

I really think the Bucks pulled a Joe Johnson-like move when they let Brogdon walk when he was an RFA. I mean really, Brogdon for a 1st and 2-2nds. All because Bledose was their anointed point guard and they overpaid him. Boy, karma would be the Bledsoe trade netting us Giannis next summer.

Yea when you are that close, you deal with dipping into the luxury tax for a few years and see what happens. You could always deal Brogdon away if needed.

[King4Day]

This Pacer/Heat series is going to be really good

[Revived]

Read on Twitter

we can't even have a week to shine before someone drags us back down through the mud... supposedly this happened 2 years ago but book was involved. not sure if I believe it. this girl is a known liar who makes up **** for clout. I'm sure most of you have seen this floating around on twitter.

Eh it’s not all that big a deal even if true. Booker is a little playboy though and I think people that live in Arizona and go to clubs know that. If you follow him or his brother on instagram, you’d have a decent idea of it too. Can’t blame him, he’s young, good looking and rich. Unless you marry early like Steph Curry or LeBron did, it’s probably hard to resist when millions of fine ass women are throwing themselves at you every day.

He recently left a chick (Chandler Parson gf’s twin sister) who I thought was an absolute dime for a washed and completely used Kendall Jenner. Bad move there imo but hey it’s his life.

[darealjuice]

If Giannis ever wanted out I'd trade Ayton, Oubre, 10 years of unprotected first round picks, and the Gorilla to pair him with Booker lol

[Wilber85]

Just want to say that chick is totally lying. As a Navy veteran I see a lot of similarities between sailors and basketball players. Sailors hit different port visits all across the world and first thing they look for is drinks and girls. Not once have I ever gone out or seen any sailors go out and want to run a train on a chick. I’d like to think basketball players have a higher standard than that. Also, there’s been port visits where there has been a long line outside of Medical because sailors caught something. I know the NBA has orientation for rookies on this sort of thing and the diseases you can get.

I played college football and a marine! I have seen many trains ran on girls! This doesn't sound too far fetched

[bigfoot]

If Giannis ever wanted out I'd trade Ayton, Oubre, 10 years of unprotected first round picks, and the Gorilla to pair him with Booker lol

Yeah if we had to trade Ayton plus picks for a re-signed Giannis it should happen without any hesitation. However, if we are careful this summer with our signings we could pick him up outright next year in free agency.

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/?
Giannis/Johnson
Ayton/Saric

[TeamTragic]

we can't even have a week to shine before someone drags us back down through the mud... supposedly this happened 2 years ago but book was involved. not sure if I believe it. this girl is a known liar who makes up **** for clout. I'm sure most of you have seen this floating around on twitter.

Though if true that it happened during the bubble then please bring her back next season.

[Qwigglez]

Just want to say that chick is totally lying. As a Navy veteran I see a lot of similarities between sailors and basketball players. Sailors hit different port visits all across the world and first thing they look for is drinks and girls. Not once have I ever gone out or seen any sailors go out and want to run a train on a chick. I’d like to think basketball players have a higher standard than that. Also, there’s been port visits where there has been a long line outside of Medical because sailors caught something. I know the NBA has orientation for rookies on this sort of thing and the diseases you can get.

I played college football and a marine! I have seen many trains ran on girls! This doesn't sound too far fetched

After thinking about it, I guess you’re right. It depends on the group of guys.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The trades I want to look at most IF WE TRADE BACK in the draft are:

1- Phoenix / Brooklyn
Option A) Phoenix trades Oubre for Dinwiddie/ Claxton/ 19th pick.
19- Draft Pokusevski.
Buy a 2nd for Trevelin Queen. Bring back Saric and Baynes.

Option B) Phoenix trades the 10th pick for Dinwiddie/ Claxton/ 19th pick.
19- Draft Pokusevski. Add a 2nd round pick for Oturu or Carey. Sign Holiday in free agency,
and then Bring back Saric.

2- Phoenix/ Philly
Phoenix trades the 10th pick to Philly for Richardson/ Broekhoff/ 21st pick.
21- Draft Achiuwa or Reed, Bring back Saric and Baynes .

3- Phoenix/ Dallas
Option A) Phoenix trades Oubre/ Diallo/ Jerome to Dallas for Delon Wright/ 18/31.
18- Draft Saddiq Bey.
31- Draft Paul Reed.
Sign Forbes or Burks in free agency. Bring back Saric and Baynes ( short term deals).

Option B) Phoenix trades the 10th pick to Dallas for Delon Wright/ 18th pick.
18- Draft Achiuwa or Reed.
Add a 2nd round pick for Merrill or Queen. Sign Milsap ( MLE), Bring back Saric and Baynes.

BONUS TRADE CONSIDERATIONS

Phoenix/ Detroit
Option A) Oubre for Kennard/ Henson's expiring/ 2021 2nd.
10- Draft Vassell or Okoro.
Buy a 2nd round pick for Reed or Oturu.
Sign Milsap ( MLE), Bring back Saric and Baynes.

Phoenix/ Detroit/ Philly
Option B)- Phoenix trades the 10th pick to Detroit ( For Kennard), Jerome/ Okobo to Philly.
- Philly trades Josh Richardson/ Broekhoff/ 21st and 36th pick to Phoenix.
- Detroit trades Kennard to Philly.
Phoenix ( With the 21st and 36th picks) drafts:
21- Draft Paul Reed or Precious Achiuwa.
36- Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey.
* Bring back Saric and Baynes ( short term deals).

Phoenix/ Atlanta
Phoenix trades Oubre/ 10th pick for The 4th and 50th picks. ( + Cap space ).
4- Draft Toppin ( 4).
50- Draft Trevelin Queen ( 2).
Buy an early 2nd round pick Reed ( 3-5).
In free agency, Sign Crowder and Clarkson. Bring back Saric and Baynes ( 1 yr deals).

Phoenix/ Toronto
Phoenix trades the 10th pick for Terrence Davis/ Rondae Hollis Jefferson/ 29th pick.
29- Draft Paul Reed, Add a 2nd round pick for Killian Tillie, Bring back Baynes.

[Wilber85]

I hate Kuzma. Dude is a scrub

[Jdiddy701]

I hate Kuzma. Dude is a scrub

I was thinking the same exact thing. He has a weird game. Lebron kinda ruined his development with the Lakers.


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