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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#761 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 2, 2021 4:37 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:An interesting idea:


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-trade-rumors-five-best-fits-for-the-former-no-2-overall-pick/

Back-up PG for a couple seasons then under CP3, then becomes our starting PG? Saric will never be our starting C or PF unless someone or sometwo gets injured. Leaves our big men depth a bit thin.

As for Ball; his shooting has improved (But is still kinda low) to a 40% FG and 35% from 3. Still a solid defender, his assists have also taken a MAJOR hit since he now shares ball-duty with Bledsoe. I think we have some of the best 3 point shooters in the league and think we could work with Zo and improve his shooting a bit more. If he could learn from CP3 these next few seasons and pick up on some of those veteran tricks that he uses, he could be an outstanding pick-up.

BUT........... despite what the article says, i think he would cost us a bit more than Dario, and i dont know if i would be willing to pay much more.

Lonzo Ball?? No, thank you.

I see him as a bench player on a winning team. I would not trade Saric for him.


Aren't we a winning team lol . We want him as our QB off the bench. Learning behind CP3. Big Tall, Pass First, and defensive minded PG. That is what we need.

I would trade Saric in a heart beat. We have a good rotation, and SARIC has been MIA this whole year it seems. Also give Jalen more minutes! Let's go!!!! Make it happen

Ball is a RFA, you would only get him for the rest of this season. And he wants to start, so he does not make sense as a CP3's backup.

He is such a bad shooter...look at his FTs numbers.

Saric is on a nice deal for three years, perfect backup C for years to come.
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Post#762 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 2, 2021 4:47 pm

Yeah the problem with Lonzo isn't just his %, it's that opponents treat him like a non shooter and that gums up your offense. Him and Bledsoe as a pairing was dumb from the get go. I've always been somewhat intrigued by him but I don't think I'd trade for him then be forced to decide if you want to pay him this summer. **** I have no idea how to even value/price a player like him.

Oh and for all the love the media pores on david Griffin I kind of hate their roster from a fit perspective.

I also think him and Paul are a bad combo because Lonzo needs to play in a fast break O while Paul is a half court set guy so you'd have to play two different ways depending on who's on the floor. While I wouldn't mind the suns playing a little faster that's not a great set up for the rest of your players.

Speaking of Balls, I guess LaMelo is just good. That's a cool thing for the league and nice for Charlotte to have a shinny toy to be excited about. It's funny for all the criticism the Hornets have got the past couple off-seasons they have a pretty fun young team.

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Post#763 » by Crives » Tue Feb 2, 2021 4:50 pm

Lots of important games tonight, 5 east vs west games.. we could really use a Memphis and Portland loss
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Post#764 » by Revived » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:31 pm

Just realized that Miami unprotected first rd pick that we had (and then traded) from the Dragic trade will finally convey this year.

And with how Miami has looked, there’s a chance it could end up a top 5 pick.
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Post#765 » by Kerrsed » Tue Feb 2, 2021 11:05 pm

Ball would cost a bit too much in FA to hold on to.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT.......if you check out the 2021 Draft thread, i think i might have found a player that can fulfill our needs and is flying under the radar well enough that we could still have a shot at him despite us having a late 1st being a playoff team!
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Post#766 » by nevetsov » Tue Feb 2, 2021 11:26 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Ball would cost a bit too much in FA to hold on to.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT.......if you check out the 2021 Draft thread, i think i might have found a player that can fulfill our needs and is flying under the radar well enough that we could still have a shot at him despite us having a late 1st being a playoff team!


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Post#767 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 3, 2021 1:00 am

Crives wrote:Lots of important games tonight, 5 east vs west games.. we could really use a Memphis and Portland loss


The west is obliterating the east this year. Hopefully tonight that changes.
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Post#768 » by Crives » Wed Feb 3, 2021 2:08 am

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Crives wrote:Lots of important games tonight, 5 east vs west games.. we could really use a Memphis and Portland loss


The west is obliterating the east this year. Hopefully tonight that changes.


Luckily Grizz are being blown out
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Post#769 » by King4Day » Wed Feb 3, 2021 2:20 am

Revived wrote:Just realized that Miami unprotected first rd pick that we had (and then traded) from the Dragic trade will finally convey this year.

And with how Miami has looked, there’s a chance it could end up a top 5 pick.


I don't expect them to fall that far. Regardless, I'll take Bridges, thank you :)
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Post#770 » by Revived » Wed Feb 3, 2021 2:50 am

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Crives wrote:Lots of important games tonight, 5 east vs west games.. we could really use a Memphis and Portland loss


The west is obliterating the east this year. Hopefully tonight that changes.

Isn’t that every year? Wonder when the league is gonna realize there’s a parity problem.
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Post#771 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 3, 2021 4:59 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Speaking of Balls, I guess LaMelo is just good. That's a cool thing for the league and nice for Charlotte to have a shinny toy to be excited about. It's funny for all the criticism the Hornets have got the past couple off-seasons they have a pretty fun young team.

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LaMelo's decent, though he is a worse shooter and defender than his brother, so it's hard to play him a lot..his on/off is bad. But he looks impressive passing.

The great thing for the Hornets is the play of Hayward....playing the best he's ever played. He is scoring 23 ppg on over 61% TS% and 43% from 3 on the most attempts per game he's ever taken (5.4), along with 5.3 rpg, 3.6 apg and 1.3 spg.

He should without a doubt be an all star this year.
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Post#772 » by Revived » Wed Feb 3, 2021 5:45 am

Watching this Warriors game, it’s obvious there’s a significant drop in athleticism in Oubre’s game. All those dunks he had last season when he postered teams are all now getting blocked because he simply isn’t jumping as high as he did last season.

The meniscus tear really did a number on him. He has that same aggressive mentality to destroy the rim without having the athleticism for it anymore. Wish he could some of that mentality to Ayton who actually does have the size and athleticism for it lol.

I think his awful 3pt shooting comes down to this as well. Obviously big part of shooting is having the legs for it and he just doesn’t have it right now. Hopefully his recovery gets better as time goes.

It’s a good thing he didn’t play for us in the bubble because we would’ve got this version of him if he did.
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Post#773 » by Bogyo » Wed Feb 3, 2021 8:23 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Speaking of Balls, I guess LaMelo is just good. That's a cool thing for the league and nice for Charlotte to have a shinny toy to be excited about. It's funny for all the criticism the Hornets have got the past couple off-seasons they have a pretty fun young team.

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LaMelo's decent, though he is a worse shooter and defender than his brother, so it's hard to play him a lot..his on/off is bad. But he looks impressive passing.

The great thing for the Hornets is the play of Hayward....playing the best he's ever played. He is scoring 23 ppg on over 61% TS% and 43% from 3 on the most attempts per game he's ever taken (5.4), along with 5.3 rpg, 3.6 apg and 1.3 spg.

He should without a doubt be an all star this year.


Yeah, Hornet Hayward is better in almost every statistical category than Utah Hayward. Too bad that team is crap around him. I think they might make a move at the deadline - selling out some of their youngsters and picks to get into the playoffs and make some money for MJ, and generate a little buzz for the franchise in the next 2-3 years. If I were them I'd look at trading Ball for sure - he has all the hype around him, and I'm not even sure he'll turn out to be all that good with his shooting, plus I'm sure he'll want out of Charlotte after his rookie contract. Cash out while you can. They have a couple other nice (role) players too. I kinda like PJ there and Bridges too - guys like Monk, Graham, Biz, Rozier are passable too, they would be even better in a lesser role. They have Carey and Riller too as rookies, I liked both in the draft. Rozier, Ball, PJ and 2 first and 2 seconds for Beal?
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Post#774 » by King4Day » Wed Feb 3, 2021 1:25 pm

This was a really slick play. Too bad Green missed the FT, but it didn't hurt them.

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Post#775 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 3, 2021 3:06 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Speaking of Balls, I guess LaMelo is just good. That's a cool thing for the league and nice for Charlotte to have a shinny toy to be excited about. It's funny for all the criticism the Hornets have got the past couple off-seasons they have a pretty fun young team.

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LaMelo's decent, though he is a worse shooter and defender than his brother, so it's hard to play him a lot..his on/off is bad. But he looks impressive passing.

The great thing for the Hornets is the play of Hayward....playing the best he's ever played. He is scoring 23 ppg on over 61% TS% and 43% from 3 on the most attempts per game he's ever taken (5.4), along with 5.3 rpg, 3.6 apg and 1.3 spg.

He should without a doubt be an all star this year.
Oh yeah he still has some warts in his game but he's passes the eye test for me. You can see there are parts of the game that come naturally and his passing inticts are off the charts. His floor is basically taller Jason 'white chocolate' Williams but his ceiling is high.

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Post#776 » by darealjuice » Wed Feb 3, 2021 4:04 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:LaMelo's decent, though he is a worse shooter and defender than his brother, so it's hard to play him a lot..his on/off is bad. But he looks impressive passing.

The great thing for the Hornets is the play of Hayward....playing the best he's ever played. He is scoring 23 ppg on over 61% TS% and 43% from 3 on the most attempts per game he's ever taken (5.4), along with 5.3 rpg, 3.6 apg and 1.3 spg.

He should without a doubt be an all star this year.
Oh yeah he still has some warts in his game but he's passes the eye test for me. You can see there are parts of the game that come naturally and his passing inticts are off the charts. His floor is basically taller Jason 'white chocolate' Williams but his ceiling is high.

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Yeah he's passed the eye test for me so far too. His vision is really good and his ability to make accurate passes with one hand, in motion, and out of weird angles is very impressive. He's more fluid handling the ball and getting in the paint than Lonzo for sure. Still needs to improve finishing around the rim as he gets stronger, and we'll see what kind of shooter he ends up being, but he's very skilled and not lacking for confidence. His defense has been better than I expected too.
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Post#777 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 3, 2021 5:20 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:LaMelo's decent, though he is a worse shooter and defender than his brother, so it's hard to play him a lot..his on/off is bad. But he looks impressive passing.

The great thing for the Hornets is the play of Hayward....playing the best he's ever played. He is scoring 23 ppg on over 61% TS% and 43% from 3 on the most attempts per game he's ever taken (5.4), along with 5.3 rpg, 3.6 apg and 1.3 spg.

He should without a doubt be an all star this year.
Oh yeah he still has some warts in his game but he's passes the eye test for me. You can see there are parts of the game that come naturally and his passing inticts are off the charts. His floor is basically taller Jason 'white chocolate' Williams but his ceiling is high.

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Yeah he's passed the eye test for me so far too. His vision is really good and his ability to make accurate passes with one hand, in motion, and out of weird angles is very impressive. He's more fluid handling the ball and getting in the paint than Lonzo for sure. Still needs to improve finishing around the rim as he gets stronger, and we'll see what kind of shooter he ends up being, but he's very skilled and not lacking for confidence. His defense has been better than I expected too.
You have to factor in he's 19 and this is basically the first time in his life he's played actual structured team basketball. His AAU and time in Australia were all basically the LaMelo show bastardized version of the game.

It's actually kind of crazy he was the 3rd overall pick purely based on projecting what he could be with his skill set vs actual statistical results in real basketball.


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Post#778 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 3, 2021 6:38 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Oh yeah he still has some warts in his game but he's passes the eye test for me. You can see there are parts of the game that come naturally and his passing inticts are off the charts. His floor is basically taller Jason 'white chocolate' Williams but his ceiling is high.

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Yeah he's passed the eye test for me so far too. His vision is really good and his ability to make accurate passes with one hand, in motion, and out of weird angles is very impressive. He's more fluid handling the ball and getting in the paint than Lonzo for sure. Still needs to improve finishing around the rim as he gets stronger, and we'll see what kind of shooter he ends up being, but he's very skilled and not lacking for confidence. His defense has been better than I expected too.
You have to factor in he's 19 and this is basically the first time in his life he's played actual structured team basketball. His AAU and time in Australia were all basically the LaMelo show bastardized version of the game.

It's actually kind of crazy he was the 3rd overall pick purely based on projecting what he could be with his skill set vs actual statistical results in real basketball.

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True, he is better as a rookie than Lonzo was, even with shooting/scoring efficiency at all levels, especially at the rim, and is a year younger. Perhaps is shooting improves as Lonzo's has. Not sure about the defense, as this was where Lonzo really excelled and was highly thought of as a rookie.
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Post#779 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 3, 2021 6:42 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Speaking of Balls, I guess LaMelo is just good. That's a cool thing for the league and nice for Charlotte to have a shinny toy to be excited about. It's funny for all the criticism the Hornets have got the past couple off-seasons they have a pretty fun young team.

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LaMelo's decent, though he is a worse shooter and defender than his brother, so it's hard to play him a lot..his on/off is bad. But he looks impressive passing.

The great thing for the Hornets is the play of Hayward....playing the best he's ever played. He is scoring 23 ppg on over 61% TS% and 43% from 3 on the most attempts per game he's ever taken (5.4), along with 5.3 rpg, 3.6 apg and 1.3 spg.

He should without a doubt be an all star this year.


Yeah, Hornet Hayward is better in almost every statistical category than Utah Hayward. Too bad that team is crap around him. I think they might make a move at the deadline - selling out some of their youngsters and picks to get into the playoffs and make some money for MJ, and generate a little buzz for the franchise in the next 2-3 years. If I were them I'd look at trading Ball for sure - he has all the hype around him, and I'm not even sure he'll turn out to be all that good with his shooting, plus I'm sure he'll want out of Charlotte after his rookie contract. Cash out while you can. They have a couple other nice (role) players too. I kinda like PJ there and Bridges too - guys like Monk, Graham, Biz, Rozier are passable too, they would be even better in a lesser role. They have Carey and Riller too as rookies, I liked both in the draft. Rozier, Ball, PJ and 2 first and 2 seconds for Beal?


I thought they might be a team that would trade for Horford (Zeller and Monk). Horford contract isn't great but a team like Charlotte has a tough time getting talented players and he could really help that team in the middle...and they'd be solid with their talented guards, Hayward, Bridges, PJ, and Horford. That's a very solid 7 deep roster
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Post#780 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 3:29 am

Wow, Oubre finally got his groove back. 40 points and 8 boards. 67% from the field and 70% from 3. 7-10
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