Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[thamadkant]

Kevon Looney has 9'2 standing reach and 7'3.5 wingspan, but 6'9 with shoes on.... basically his shoulder height is equivalent to someone 6'11... I dont see the same problems that plagues Thomas Robinson... who isnt as long as Looney, but definitely more built.

[Saberestar]

Chris Sheridan latest mock draft.....

13. Phoenix Suns – Sam Dekker, SF, Wisconsin

Dekker became the X-factor for the Badgers during their run in the Big Dance.

Dekker may not conventionally be a SF or PF in the NBA, but he will be out on the court playing because of his fearless style of play and infectious energy. He does it all — scoring, shooting, rebounding, defending.

Dekker’s biggest weakness right now is a lack of a consistent shooting stroke, but as he becomes more consistent he can play forward in the NBA and matchup against a variety of opponents. After making one-third of his 3-point attempts for the Badgers, my hope would be that he is currently shooting 1,000 a day prior to his individual workouts.

Read more at http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/05/16 ... hg1TBzS.99

[SarcasticSun]

Haven't been following draft talk much, any good point guards this year?

Really though, let's draft Myles Turner and be done with it.

[No-Man]

If the Suns pick Dekker with a lotto pick...

It is so easy for Phoenix man, Turner, Kaminsky or Portis, whoever is left at 13th.

[thamadkant]

Kevon Looney
Miles Turner

If Suns dont trade their pick for a future or a package to move up, those 2.. I'd be happy with one of them.

[Mr-Al]

Kevon Looney
Miles Turner

If Suns dont trade their pick for a future or a package to move up, those 2.. I'd be happy with one of them.

agreed. They have the highest ceilings of the bunch.

Turner is probably gone at 13, but Looney will be there

And I'm not sure if Turner is a PF. Seems better suited as a 5 to me

[JMac1]

I am still and forever on the Frank Kaminsky train. I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this or that; all I know is what I saw Kaminsky do to all of those teams throughout the year and during the tourney.

Frank had entire teams programmed and draped all over him trying to stop him for a reason. He is a mismatch problem and his defense is underrated when mixed with his offense.

Frank will open up the paint and demand someone stick to up after the pick! I haven't forgotten that yet, and wont.

Don't mess around, if Frank is there, pick him!

[Mr-Al]

I am still and forever on the Frank Kaminsky train. I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this or that; all I know is what I saw Kaminsky do to all of those teams throughout the year and during the tourney.

Frank had entire teams programmed and draped all over him trying to stop him for a reason. He is a mismatch problem and his defense is underrated when mixed with his offense.

Frank will open up the paint and demand someone stick to up after the pick! I haven't forgotten that yet, and wont.

Don't mess around, if Frank is there, pick him!

He was also a Senior, 22 year old grown **** man playing against a bunch of freshman kids.

"I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this "

So you're completely ignoring the most basic draft evaluation technique, great.

[bwgood77]

Kevon Looney
Miles Turner

If Suns dont trade their pick for a future or a package to move up, those 2.. I'd be happy with one of them.

agreed. They have the highest ceilings of the bunch.

Turner is probably gone at 13, but Looney will be there

And I'm not sure if Looney if Looney is a PF. Seems like more of a center to me

A center? Most think he is a tweener between 3/4....high upside comp is Lamar Odom (at least from Chad Ford).

[Mr-Al]

Kevon Looney
Miles Turner

If Suns dont trade their pick for a future or a package to move up, those 2.. I'd be happy with one of them.

agreed. They have the highest ceilings of the bunch.

Turner is probably gone at 13, but Looney will be there

And I'm not sure if Looney if Looney is a PF. Seems like more of a center to me

A center? Most think he is a tweener between 3/4....high upside comp is Lamar Odom (at least from Chad Ford).

Sorry, I meant Turner. He seems like more of a center to me

[bwgood77]

agreed. They have the highest ceilings of the bunch.

Turner is probably gone at 13, but Looney will be there

And I'm not sure if Looney if Looney is a PF. Seems like more of a center to me

A center? Most think he is a tweener between 3/4....high upside comp is Lamar Odom (at least from Chad Ford).

Sorry, I meant Turner. He seems like more of a center to me

Yes, he is more of a center...though he could perhaps be a stretch center to some extent, which could be good. I really hope he somehow drops to us. If not I think I might go with Kaminsky, though I'd probably be happy with Lyles or Looney too.

[Mr-Al]

A center? Most think he is a tweener between 3/4....high upside comp is Lamar Odom (at least from Chad Ford).

Sorry, I meant Turner. He seems like more of a center to me

Yes, he is more of a center...though he could perhaps be a stretch center to some extent, which could be good. I really hope he somehow drops to us. If not I think I might go with Kaminsky, though I'd probably be happy with Lyles or Looney too.

Turner wouldn't really be worth drafting then since he wouldn't fit next to Len very well (and Len objectively > Turner at center)

Maybe it's BPA sure, but we want a PF to start next to Len for the future, not someone to back Len up

and no way is Len playing the 4. Same reason WCS wouldn't fit in very well here unless you're willing to give up on Len

[kennydorglas]

Dont worry, we wont draft Dekker at all.

Right now, the main point about our draft is:
- safe picks (kaminsky, portis)
- high potential (turner, cliff, looney etc.)

looking at 13'&14' drafts and you'll see:
- alex len (safe pick)
- archie goodwin (high potential)
- tj warren (safe pick)
- tyler ennis (safe pick)
- bogdan bogdanovic (safe pick)

you can see the pattern here... I think we'll go with the safe pick again.

[bwgood77]

Sorry, I meant Turner. He seems like more of a center to me

Yes, he is more of a center...though he could perhaps be a stretch center to some extent, which could be good. I really hope he somehow drops to us. If not I think I might go with Kaminsky, though I'd probably be happy with Lyles or Looney too.

Turner wouldn't really be worth drafting then since he wouldn't fit next to Len very well (and Len objectively > Turner at center)

Maybe it's BPA sure, but we want a PF to start next to Len for the future, not someone to back Len up

and no way is Len playing the 4. Same reason WCS wouldn't fit in very well here unless you're willing to give up on Len

I disagree...I want a solid rotation at C, and worry a bit about Len staying healthy. Turner has the highest upside of any big in that range I believe, so you have to take him. Len and him could play at times together, but they would probably struggle to guard many 4s. We have never been a team with the 5 position being one of our strengths. I'd love to have two guys with upside...one might not pan out or just be a solid backup and there are injuries.

[Mr-Al]

Yes, he is more of a center...though he could perhaps be a stretch center to some extent, which could be good. I really hope he somehow drops to us. If not I think I might go with Kaminsky, though I'd probably be happy with Lyles or Looney too.

Turner wouldn't really be worth drafting then since he wouldn't fit next to Len very well (and Len objectively > Turner at center)

Maybe it's BPA sure, but we want a PF to start next to Len for the future, not someone to back Len up

and no way is Len playing the 4. Same reason WCS wouldn't fit in very well here unless you're willing to give up on Len

I disagree...I want a solid rotation at C, and worry a bit about Len staying healthy. Turner has the highest upside of any big in that range I believe, so you have to take him. Len and him could play at times together, but they would probably struggle to guard many 4s. We have never been a team with the 5 position being one of our strengths. I'd love to have two guys with upside...one might not pan out or just be a solid backup and there are injuries.

right but you're drafting for a permanent future stater

Len is already our starter and was pretty damn effective in what was just his rookie year basically, it's a little early to worry about the injury concerns imo


I understand how good that rotation could be, but even if Turner turns out to be really good, one player is still going to have to take the backseat to the other

How is Len going to feel if we draft someone talented enough and young enough to compete for his job?

Our biggest positional need is a young two-way PF. The chances of getting one not through the draft is pretty low

Anyway though, he's probably not there at 13 anyway. I just don't feel like we would trade up to get him

[Mr-Al]

Dont worry, we wont draft Dekker at all.

Right now, the main point about our draft is:
- safe picks (kaminsky, portis)
- high potential (turner, cliff, looney etc.)

looking at 13'&14' drafts and you'll see:
- alex len (safe pick)
- archie goodwin (high potential)
- tj warren (safe pick)
- tyler ennis (safe pick)
- bogdan bogdanovic (safe pick)

you can see the pattern here... I think we'll go with the safe pick again.

Wut?

Len was absolutely no where close to a safe pick. He was probably one of the riskiest players to take in the whole draft, his **** whole game is potential, Especially coupled with his injury concerns

Bogdan is/was no where close to being a safe pick. Young, white, semi-unknown Euro player who might never even develop to an NBA level

Ennis was never supposed to even play here

The only "safe" guy we've drafted to some degree is Warren and even then not many people thought his inside game would even translate to the NBA

McD takes risks, that's kind of what he does. Nothing about him or his time in Boston tells me that he takes "safe picks"

[JMac1]

I am still and forever on the Frank Kaminsky train. I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this or that; all I know is what I saw Kaminsky do to all of those teams throughout the year and during the tourney.

Frank had entire teams programmed and draped all over him trying to stop him for a reason. He is a mismatch problem and his defense is underrated when mixed with his offense.

Frank will open up the paint and demand someone stick to up after the pick! I haven't forgotten that yet, and wont.

Don't mess around, if Frank is there, pick him!

He was also a Senior, 22 year old grown **** man playing against a bunch of freshman kids.

"I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this "

So you're completely ignoring the most basic draft evaluation technique, great.

And that is why Steph Curry went 7th! You don't ignore what is real, period. It is to laugh. Lets make an excuse to not accept why someone is good. He was 22.....

[Mr-Al]

I am still and forever on the Frank Kaminsky train. I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this or that; all I know is what I saw Kaminsky do to all of those teams throughout the year and during the tourney.

Frank had entire teams programmed and draped all over him trying to stop him for a reason. He is a mismatch problem and his defense is underrated when mixed with his offense.

Frank will open up the paint and demand someone stick to up after the pick! I haven't forgotten that yet, and wont.

Don't mess around, if Frank is there, pick him!

He was also a Senior, 22 year old grown **** man playing against a bunch of freshman kids.

"I am not reading all of this pre-draft garbage hype and hope and praying that someone is going to grow into this "

So you're completely ignoring the most basic draft evaluation technique, great.

And that is why Steph Curry went 7th! You don't ignore what is real, period. It is to laugh. Lets make an excuse to not accept why someone is good. He was 22.....

sound argument

[Mr Puddles]

Dont worry, we wont draft Dekker at all.

Right now, the main point about our draft is:
- safe picks (kaminsky, portis)
- high potential (turner, cliff, looney etc.)

looking at 13'&14' drafts and you'll see:
- alex len (safe pick)
- archie goodwin (high potential)
- tj warren (safe pick)
- tyler ennis (safe pick)
- bogdan bogdanovic (safe pick)

you can see the pattern here... I think we'll go with the safe pick again.

Wut?

Len was absolutely no where close to a safe pick. He was probably one of the riskiest players to take in the whole draft, his **** whole game is potential, Especially coupled with his injury concerns

Bogdan is/was no where close to being a safe pick. Young, white, semi-unknown Euro player who might never even develop to an NBA level

Ennis was never supposed to even play here

The only "safe" guy we've drafted to some degree is Warren and even then not many people thought his inside game would even translate to the NBA

McD takes risks, that's kind of what he does. Nothing about him or his time in Boston tells me that he takes "safe picks"

Agreed. The save picks at #5 would have been Noel & McLemore. Even with Noel's injury, he was probably the most popular pick due to being project #1 prior.

Bogdan might not even come to the NBA, and if he does could have the possibility to renegotiate a much better contract (ala Nikola Mirotic) effectively meaning the Suns would have to pay him 5 times as much as a #27 rookie contract.

Goodwin was drafted on potential obviously, T. J. Warren & Ennis were probably the safest pick McD has made (relatively) but weren't the Suns rumored to prefer LaVine or Warren? LaVine was definitely high risk/ high reward.

McD strikes me mostly as a guy who values high risk/ high rewards over low risk/ low reward, which makes me think he'll go for Turner/Oubre/Looney over Kaminksi if all those guys are still available.

[Mr-Al]

Dont worry, we wont draft Dekker at all.

Right now, the main point about our draft is:
- safe picks (kaminsky, portis)
- high potential (turner, cliff, looney etc.)

looking at 13'&14' drafts and you'll see:
- alex len (safe pick)
- archie goodwin (high potential)
- tj warren (safe pick)
- tyler ennis (safe pick)
- bogdan bogdanovic (safe pick)

you can see the pattern here... I think we'll go with the safe pick again.

Wut?

Len was absolutely no where close to a safe pick. He was probably one of the riskiest players to take in the whole draft, his **** whole game is potential, Especially coupled with his injury concerns

Bogdan is/was no where close to being a safe pick. Young, white, semi-unknown Euro player who might never even develop to an NBA level

Ennis was never supposed to even play here

The only "safe" guy we've drafted to some degree is Warren and even then not many people thought his inside game would even translate to the NBA

McD takes risks, that's kind of what he does. Nothing about him or his time in Boston tells me that he takes "safe picks"

Agreed. The save picks at #5 would have been Noel & McLemore. Even with Noel's injury, he was probably the most popular pick due to being project #1 prior.

Bogdan might not even come to the NBA, and if he does could have the possibility to renegotiate a much better contract (ala Nikola Mirotic) effectively meaning the Suns would have to pay him 5 times as much as a #27 rookie contract.

Goodwin was drafted on potential obviously, T. J. Warren & Ennis were probably the safest pick McD has made (relatively) but weren't the Suns rumored to prefer LaVine or Warren? LaVine was definitely high risk/ high reward.

McD strikes me mostly as a guy who values high risk/ high rewards over low risk/ low reward, which makes me think he'll go for Turner/Oubre/Looney over Kaminksi if all those guys are still available.

^ exactly

Good consideration including Oubre in there, if McD thinks that Oubre is the BPA available, he'll take him if he's somehow there when we pick (unlikely)

Looney will be there at 13. For Oubre and Turner you would probably have to trade up