Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

[Mr-Al]

i wouldn't mind moving the thirteenth pick for Vohnel and Troy Daniels. Then I could see other moves happening from there.

If we can't get a Myles Turner I would totally be up for trading the 13th pick for Vonleh

[RunDogGun]

i wouldn't mind moving the thirteenth pick for Vohnel and Troy Daniels. Then I could see other moves happening from there.

If we can't get a Myles Turner I would totally be up for trading the 13th pick for Vonleh

Sorry about the spelling.

[NavLDO]

There aren't too many teams that would want to trade for Bledsoe IMO.

SAC is the dark horse IMO - he's mates with Cousins whom they obviously want to retain. They have quality at both SF and C, and young talent at SG. Adding another draft pick that won't develop for a few years won't help them take that next step, which is integral to keeping their core together. A floor general that plays D and already has 2 established shot creators is pretty much the ideal situation for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe for SAC pick and filler (Collison, vet PF).

We can then either use the pick, combine it with ours to move up, or flip it (or ours) in a deal for a vet.

Knight, Collison
Goodwin, Bullock
Marcus, Warren
Markieff, PF Vet
Len, Wright

To me, the best option would be to stop right there. Do we want to trade that much away for Butler? We are rebuilding--no doubt about it--so giving up two lottery picks for Butler is concerning when we have a gaping hole at PF--one that Gibson can't be considered the answer for. Yes, Butler is a borderline top 15-20 player in the league. But honestly, I think we have a good chance at selling the Morri to SAC, so I'd alter the trade to:

PHX OUT--Bledsoe, Morri; PHX IN--SAC pick (Currently 6th, I believe)(And maybe we can talk them into giving us a vet PF--Thompson??)

That would leave us with the 6th and 13th overall picks (before the lottery, of course, but assume this is the end result).

that leaves SAC with:

Bledsoe
McLemore/Stauskas (which ever proves to be better)
Gay
Kieff
Cousins

That's a playoff team--no doubt in my mind.

And leaves us with

Knight/Goodwin or Rook PG
Tucker/Goodwin or Rook SG/Bullock
Warren/Granger
Thompson (??)/Wright/Rook PF
Len/Wright

Doesn't look great at 1st glance, but assuming we select a good PF and SG/PG prospect with those two picks, and we are starting to get better. And yes, I have Goodwin a PG and SG--whichever way the board falls for us will determine Goodwin's fate.

So many fans are disgruntled at our seemingly backward direction--I think we need to blow it up some more and since Bledsoe and the Morri are the tgts of most fans ire, then as far as putting forth ideas on this board, those are the pieces that are moved in this scenario.

Anywho, on another topic--why are we not starting Goodwin, Warren, and Bullock at this point? Those are 3 players that need the burn at this point--especially Bullock, because I have a sneaking suspicion that his troubles are related to confidence/minutes played. He's certainly shown he's a better player prior to coming here than what he's shown here. IDK, just a theory.

[bwgood77]

The Phoenix Suns have signed Jerel McNeal through the 2015-16 season.

The Suns had previously signed McNeal to a 10-day contract on April 1.

McNeal, whose first name is pronounced Jah-rell, made his NBA debut with the Suns on April 2 and has appeared in four games with the team since initially signing.

In 27 games with the Bakersfield Jam this season, McNeal averaged 18.5 points, 4.6 assists, 4.0 rebounds and 2.1 steals. The 6-3 guard scored a season-high 40 points on 16-of-23 shooting for the Suns’ NBA Development League affiliate on March 7 at Austin.

YES! Finally another point guard! I was hoping we could add a few more guards.

[letsgosuns]

The Suns signed McNeal through next season. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -16-Season I have no idea why.

[Saberestar]

The Phoenix Suns have signed Jerel McNeal through the 2015-16 season.

The Suns had previously signed McNeal to a 10-day contract on April 1.

McNeal, whose first name is pronounced Jah-rell, made his NBA debut with the Suns on April 2 and has appeared in four games with the team since initially signing.

In 27 games with the Bakersfield Jam this season, McNeal averaged 18.5 points, 4.6 assists, 4.0 rebounds and 2.1 steals. The 6-3 guard scored a season-high 40 points on 16-of-23 shooting for the Suns’ NBA Development League affiliate on March 7 at Austin.

YES! Finally another point guard! I was hoping we could add a few more guards.

This signing only has sense if he are going to be needed in a trade.

[AtheJ415]

Why are people complaining about a point guard signing? Are they under the impression that Ennis, Dragic, and Thomas are still on the team?

[Saberestar]

Why are people complaining about a point guard signing? Are they under the impression that Ennis, Dragic, and Thomas are still on the team?

The thing is that the guy signed is not an NBA player. Is worst than Barron.......wait......no, that is NOT possible.
Hopefully is to make work a trade involving a ton of players.

[AtheJ415]

Why are people complaining about a point guard signing? Are they under the impression that Ennis, Dragic, and Thomas are still on the team?

The thing is that the guy signed is not an NBA player. Is worst than Barron.......wait......no, that is NOT possible.
Hopefully is to make work a trade involving a ton of players.

That's fine. If you think he sucks that's a valid complaint. But for people saying "not another PG", um, did you miss the trade deadline?

[Mulhollanddrive]

How many pages can we go without predicting a McDonough acquisition, it'd be probably 5,000 all up by now.

[Damkac]

Spoiler:

There aren't too many teams that would want to trade for Bledsoe IMO.

SAC is the dark horse IMO - he's mates with Cousins whom they obviously want to retain. They have quality at both SF and C, and young talent at SG. Adding another draft pick that won't develop for a few years won't help them take that next step, which is integral to keeping their core together. A floor general that plays D and already has 2 established shot creators is pretty much the ideal situation for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe for SAC pick and filler (Collison, vet PF).

We can then either use the pick, combine it with ours to move up, or flip it (or ours) in a deal for a vet.

Knight, Collison
Goodwin, Bullock
Marcus, Warren
Markieff, PF Vet
Len, Wright

To me, the best option would be to stop right there. Do we want to trade that much away for Butler? We are rebuilding--no doubt about it--so giving up two lottery picks for Butler is concerning when we have a gaping hole at PF--one that Gibson can't be considered the answer for. Yes, Butler is a borderline top 15-20 player in the league. But honestly, I think we have a good chance at selling the Morri to SAC, so I'd alter the trade to:

PHX OUT--Bledsoe, Morri; PHX IN--SAC pick (Currently 6th, I believe)(And maybe we can talk them into giving us a vet PF--Thompson??)

That would leave us with the 6th and 13th overall picks (before the lottery, of course, but assume this is the end result).

that leaves SAC with:

Bledsoe
McLemore/Stauskas (which ever proves to be better)
Gay
Kieff
Cousins

That's a playoff team--no doubt in my mind.

And leaves us with

Knight/Goodwin or Rook PG
Tucker/Goodwin or Rook SG/Bullock
Warren/Granger
Thompson (??)/Wright/Rook PF
Len/Wright

Doesn't look great at 1st glance, but assuming we select a good PF and SG/PG prospect with those two picks, and we are starting to get better. And yes, I have Goodwin a PG and SG--whichever way the board falls for us will determine Goodwin's fate.

So many fans are disgruntled at our seemingly backward direction--I think we need to blow it up some more and since Bledsoe and the Morri are the tgts of most fans ire, then as far as putting forth ideas on this board, those are the pieces that are moved in this scenario.

Anywho, on another topic--why are we not starting Goodwin, Warren, and Bullock at this point? Those are 3 players that need the burn at this point--especially Bullock, because I have a sneaking suspicion that his troubles are related to confidence/minutes played. He's certainly shown he's a better player prior to coming here than what he's shown here. IDK, just a theory.

No way Suns trade Bledsoe AND Morris for 6th. Bledsoe alone should do it. And it only make sense if there is somebody really good at 6th.

Except if Kings gets top3 pick. Then I would give Bled+Morri.

[Saberestar]

Ufff....This is gonna be another looooooong offseason. Sucks that we are out always in April.

[Mulhollanddrive]

As it stands, it looks like we'll re-sign Knight and have 1 big contract to offer.

The rest will involve trading players.

[Djedefre]

As it stands, it looks like we'll re-sign Knight

As I can see, the majority thinks that is a good thing, but I'm not so sure.

[lilfishi22]

As it stands, it looks like we'll re-sign Knight

As I can see, the majority thinks that is a good thing, but I'm not so sure.

Unfortunately, it's something we HAVE to do. We gave up A LOT for him.

[Saberestar]

As it stands, it looks like we'll re-sign Knight

As I can see, the majority thinks that is a good thing, but I'm not so sure.

I am not sure neither. He played really bad with us, defensively he was worst than expected amd offensively he was a chucker.
I was very high about him, but now I am 50/50 about resign him.

[Bogyo]

As it stands, it looks like we'll re-sign Knight

As I can see, the majority thinks that is a good thing, but I'm not so sure.

That depends on the price and the rest of our moves. If he is not getting a max (2-3 mill below), it will be a good contract.
If we make him our starting point guard, and get a SG who is also a good at ball handling (and has the size) I don't see why not. Alhtough in this scenario we are trading Bledsoe, which is fine by me if it makes us better. No untouchables for me on this team - of course I'd like to keep Len, but he's been injured so much that I fear he'll turn out to be an injury prone guy, who could have been better if only he was averaging 75+ games in a season, not 50+.

[Saberestar]

I really want to change our entire roster...8 losses in the last 9 games is just disappointing when we were making a playoff push (at least in theory). Injuries are not an excuse because every team have a ton of that, even more than us. We have some decent pieces for the future, players that play the game the right way and youngs with potential, but the principal structure of the team needs to change.


I want Goodwin, Warren and Len back next year. They don't have too much value on the market and they are improving. Warren and Len can be our starting SF and C for years to come.
I want Tucker and Brandan Wright back next year to play backup minutes for our young SF and C starters. Both can give you around 20 quality minutes per game with great defense and intensity.

The rest of the team.... I don't care if no one is back. I would try to trade them for a better professionals with better basquetball IQ and passing ability. Some random trades that we can make.....

-Bledsoe or Knight for Reggie Jackson (Detroit). ...I think Reggie is the better PG, and we really need a PG. We would have to pay him the max, but with the salary cap that high ain't gonna be a problem.

-Bledsoe or Knight for #6 and Collison (Sacramento ). I think Sacto want an upgrade at PG and we have two better players than Collison. That trade would be amazing for us, probably we would need to give something more, IDK. I really like Collison, he wil be an amazing two way player for us coming of the bench. At #6 we can select a big time prospect to develop smoothly with our new group of players.

-MoBros and Bullock for Snell, McDermott and Taj( Chicago). Enough said, we need to change our team's culture and with this trade we grab two wings with a ton of upside. Taj would be a great player next to Len, and we are gonna be a competitive team with him on our roster, he is a warrior and have a complete game.

Our #13 pick will be included in one of these trades, probably in that Sacto trade if necessary.

Then, we can sign Danny Green (doubtful, but we can try) and a veteran C like a third string/insurance ( Reggie Evans) and this would be our 2015/16 Phoenix Suns team:

Reggie Jackson / Darren Collison
Danny Green / Tony Snell / Goodwin
Warren / Tucker / McDermott
Taj Gibson / Porzingis
Len / Wright /Reggie Evans

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

There aren't too many teams that would want to trade for Bledsoe IMO.

SAC is the dark horse IMO - he's mates with Cousins whom they obviously want to retain. They have quality at both SF and C, and young talent at SG. Adding another draft pick that won't develop for a few years won't help them take that next step, which is integral to keeping their core together. A floor general that plays D and already has 2 established shot creators is pretty much the ideal situation for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe for SAC pick and filler (Collison, vet PF).

We can then either use the pick, combine it with ours to move up, or flip it (or ours) in a deal for a vet.

Knight, Collison
Goodwin, Bullock
Marcus, Warren
Markieff, PF Vet
Len, Wright

To me, the best option would be to stop right there. Do we want to trade that much away for Butler? We are rebuilding--no doubt about it--so giving up two lottery picks for Butler is concerning when we have a gaping hole at PF--one that Gibson can't be considered the answer for. Yes, Butler is a borderline top 15-20 player in the league. But honestly, I think we have a good chance at selling the Morri to SAC, so I'd alter the trade to:

PHX OUT--Bledsoe, Morri; PHX IN--SAC pick (Currently 6th, I believe)(And maybe we can talk them into giving us a vet PF--Thompson??)

That would leave us with the 6th and 13th overall picks (before the lottery, of course, but assume this is the end result).

that leaves SAC with:

Bledsoe
McLemore/Stauskas (which ever proves to be better)
Gay
Kieff
Cousins

That's a playoff team--no doubt in my mind.

And leaves us with

Knight/Goodwin or Rook PG
Tucker/Goodwin or Rook SG/Bullock
Warren/Granger
Thompson (??)/Wright/Rook PF
Len/Wright

Doesn't look great at 1st glance, but assuming we select a good PF and SG/PG prospect with those two picks, and we are starting to get better. And yes, I have Goodwin a PG and SG--whichever way the board falls for us will determine Goodwin's fate.

So many fans are disgruntled at our seemingly backward direction--I think we need to blow it up some more and since Bledsoe and the Morri are the tgts of most fans ire, then as far as putting forth ideas on this board, those are the pieces that are moved in this scenario.

Anywho, on another topic--why are we not starting Goodwin, Warren, and Bullock at this point? Those are 3 players that need the burn at this point--especially Bullock, because I have a sneaking suspicion that his troubles are related to confidence/minutes played. He's certainly shown he's a better player prior to coming here than what he's shown here. IDK, just a theory.

No way Suns trade Bledsoe AND Morris for 6th. Bledsoe alone should do it. And it only make sense if there is somebody really good at 6th.

Except if Kings gets top3 pick. Then I would give Bled+Morri.

Which is why I added someone like Thompson as a possibility. But in reality, we all need to remember that we are trading "contracts" more than trading "players"--basically, it's about the value. And now, let's look at PGs (not on a rookie contract) that are making less than Bledsoe:

Parker (old, so not a great example, but still...)
Rondo
Lowry
Lawson
Evans
Curry
Holiday
Conley
Ellis
Teague

Other than Curry and Parker, this is the group of guys that Bledsoe's talent is somewhat equivalent, and some of these guys make $4-5M less. Bottom line, Bledsoe's contract was an overpay. I didn't believe so 6 months ago, but today, I do. Point is--Bledsoe on an $11M-per contract would be worth the #6 pick alone, but on a $14M-per contract, he's not. And the Morri, while on good contracts, have the off-court antics, and on-court? Well, the Techs and rebound ability lessen their value, overall. So what I thought of them being on 'steals' of a contract, has actually turned out to be about fair value. But for us, it goes beyond just the value of the contract.

We have the need to start fresh next season, so IMHO, McD needs to take a hard, long look at Bledsoe, the Morri, Tucker, and Green, and decide who is likely best to go forward with. I know most would say to dump Green, but I don't think he has much in the way of a "negative vibe." He would be a decent vet to have, along with Granger, for our bench. Tucker is a tough call, as he has definitely had his share of issues this past season with his DUI and missing the bus, but overall, I think he provides a nice spark off the bench.

Honestly, I would be willing to trudge through one more disappointing season, so long as it involved developing young guys, so if we could trade Bledsoe and Morri in the off-season for a Lottery pick, and start fresh at the SG and PF positions. And with Knight and his less-than-stellar-play for us, should allow us to sign him for $10-11M--if not let him walk and chalk it up to a rare McD foible.

Knight / McNeal (??) or Rookie PG
Goodwin / Green / Tucker
Warren / Granger / Bullock
Rookie PF / Wright / Alec Brown (??)
Len / Rookie C / FA C

So basically, assuming we trade the Morri and Bledsoe, yet keep Tucker and Green, and are able to get one more lottery pick, we grab the best available PF and C with our two picks--they NEED to be those two positions, IMO. We are fairly set at the other positions, and even if not, FA PGs are not nearly as hard to find as decent FA Bigs are, right?? And yep, we'll stink to high heaven for the 1st half of the season, maybe longer, but at least we as a fan base will feel like we are headed in the right direction by getting the youngsters minutes, while having good, quality veterans like Tucker, Green, Wright, and Granger to help mentor our younger guys. I'd be more than happy to go around .500 next season, as we've done this season, but there will be a huge difference in how we as fans will feel about the direction we are going, I believe.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.