Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[lilfishi22]

The NBA should be levying fines for this type of behavior. Has any other NBA player done something like this?? It really sets a bad precedent for the rest of the league. Hope the league fines and suspends his azz. The only way this has any level of acceptability is if the Suns front office has already told him not to show up to arena for voluntary workouts because he will be traded before the season starts.

In which case he needs to STFU and let McD do his work instead of making it hard for him at every corner. I don't see what he's doing acceptable in any way.

[LukasBMW]

I'm drunk

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o846yfn

[batsmasher]

Force him to play in SumDumFuk league. That should teach him.

[bwgood77]

Force him to play in SumDumFuk league. That should teach him.

He needs a little time with JDiddy who will shape him up and show him what's important.

[Fo-Real]

Uuuuhhhhh, this place makes me want to pull my hair out. Apperantly me explaining myself was not enough, and people are ultra sensitive. This is bs and not worth the heartache if I can't consider people on this board quasi friends in a way. Obviously the feeling is not reciprocated back from most it seems. My best to you, even if you don't accept it for whatever readon. Good luck and go frigging suns to who care. I won't bother some of you whit my thinking anymore.

[pidi]

kinda sick of what markieff is twittering, he is a dumb and the suns should get rid of him. if he wants to leave than grab youre bag and get the hell outta here. realy, i mean he is not near of being a superstar in this league and don´t even makes the stats to act like a litte hairy b**ch.

[Saberestar]

I am not worried at all because Markieff ' s production on the court can be replaced easily. And on the locker room all will be better without him. I want to grab some prospect / good player ( Cody Zeller for example) or a decent pick and go to the season. If we need to add that Cavs pick it wouldn't be a big loss.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If PJ Tucker and Cody Zeller are 40% of our starting line up we may as well start the 2017 trade thread.

I think we're a low self esteem team. McDonough realistically was the only person who bothered to try get Aldridge, because culturally it's not what we expect, just piss around with late picks and guys who have been traded out from other teams and hope the crowd shows up, that was basically our strategy for a while there.

[thamadkant]

If PJ Tucker and Cody Zeller are 40% of our starting line up we may as well start the 2017 trade thread.

I think we're a low self esteem team. McDonough realistically was the only person who bothered to try get Aldridge, because culturally it's not what we expect, just piss around with late picks and guys who have been traded out from other teams and hope the crowd shows up, that was basically our strategy for a while there.

I'm not a big fan of Tucker.


But before last season if someone tells you Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes will be a 67 win team and championship forward rotation I would of laughed a bit.


My point is, fit and system matters.
Raja Bell and Diaw were nobodies also prior to playing with Nash and Suns SSOL.


If Hornacek can implement a good system that maximises the dual PG (I'm very sceptical) and have a functional front court. It may not be that bad.

The key word is functional.

I think a player like Vonleh or Zeller fits a lot better than a ISO hungry forward like Kieff.

If Suns can get a good fitting PF and still not make the playoffs, then it's time to break up the dual PG and get a bigger SG. If that still doesn't work, then it might be Hornacek...



But just to make it clear... I'm not predicting the Suns to make the playoffs just yet. I'm still highly sceptical...
I'm just emphasising the importance of having the right system and gimmick on today's league where superstars and money/ball type approaches are leading teams to winning seasons.

[Frank Lee]

I just hope the FO gets off this mindset of NoMoBro as our starting PF. There is no place for him here and he shouldn't be given the opportunity to participate as a Sun. Keep him home. Purely a distraction at this point. Cant they see that? Suspend him with pay. Trade him when some team needs a non powerful PF.

To continue this charade that the FO wants him here is borderline disrespectful to this franchise as well as the fans. It continues to sour me. Who are they kidding?

I find it odd that I have a similar complaint as KwiefMo, Dragic, etc about the FO's spin job double-talk. Is there too much lawyer-ing influence in the FO ? I think they are full of S**t with some of the stuff they have overlooked and said. They seem to be more concerned about preserving the trade value rather than defending principles. Greed kills.


PS, I actually think his value will be more in Dec, when full rosters open up, and team needs change. Plus, I am holding out for the Bledsoe-Kwief / Love blockbuster

Rock On Fo-Real... Thin-skin is in... but don't let it kick you out

[bwgood77]

I am not worried at all because Markieff ' s production on the court can be replaced easily. And on the locker room all will be better without him. I want to grab some prospect / good player ( Cody Zeller for example) or a decent pick and go to the season. If we need to add that Cavs pick it wouldn't be a big loss.

It can't be replaced that easily. I'm sure we've been trying. Damn Aldridge and that guy that talked him into SA.

[batsmasher]

I agree that the spin job the FO do is rubbish. But really it's more a problem with the franchise than the FO. The Suns hadn't been an attractive FA destination until this off-season and McD and Bab had been left making up ground since Blanks was fired.

Why is that important? Because it limits how expressive an FO can be. McD didn't inherit a situation like the Knicks, the Celtics or even Philly where their market dominance pertains to a certain level of FO freedom. The Suns struggle to get any sort of market, so every FO move has higher stakes associated with it. If McD calls out Dragic, Green and now the Morrii, they risk making the franchise look like an unfriendly environment for FA signings and and potential superstars requesting a trade.

So yes, if you want to call it 'lawyering', go ahead. Whatever it is, it's needed. The Suns can't afford to risk what little market share they have by calling it how it is. We've only just got to the point where we've built enough reputation to stand on our own two feet (re: signing Chandler, Mirza, re-signing BK). You can't risk falling back down to nothing by ruining that reputation.

As a fan I wish McD could use his killa vocabulary to burn the fools gone by, but it's not going to happen until this team sees success and has enough long term security. Until then, we have to put up with the political BS and hope the work behind the scenes can get us out of this slump.

[bwgood77]

Can someone link me to the article with the FO's spin after Kieff's comments yesterday? I hadn't seen them say "We want him as our starting PF." I'd only seen that they had said something along the lines of "Right now, he is our starting PF" but that was before the tweet yesterday.

[King4Day]

I'm drunk

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o846yfn

This is the most sane thing I've read all day

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Not going to lie but I have a feeling Teletovic will put up similar #'s to Markieff as a starter next to Chandler with the same force on defense.

Markieff isn't a star!


Calling it now

Teletovic 15 ppg and 6 rpg on more efficient shooting

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Trade

Sixers & Suns

Joel Embiid & Gerald Wallace for Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker

Suns

Bledsoe / Ronnie Price
Knight / Booker / Goodwin
Wallace / Warren / Weems
Teletovic / Leur
Chandler / Len / Embiid

[SSOL]

You...want Gerald Wallace...to start? Dude is done.

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

How about, Houston doesn't want to part with Ariza, and therefore, no deal can be made with them until december $wise. How about we let NavLo continue his league wide search and self entertaining trade machine manure spreading ?

YES!!!! FrankLo said I can continue to make pain-med-induced trade proposals! So, here's today's installment!

jcSunsFan--no need to comment on how tragically bad these ideas are, I know...just move along and save yourself the ire and irritation you'll feel by perusing these! That said, let's proceed!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q5e72de

PHX In: Horford
ATL In: Kieff, Len

Horford has just a year left on his deal, so while this looks lopsided for us, we'd have to pay him in the offseason. Is he good enough to take us where we want to go? Probably not, and I'd hate to trade Len away, but there are those on this board that would prefer 'established' over 'developing', so this trade idea is for that crowd.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q76hucf

PHX In: Porzingis, J. Grant
NYK In: Kieff, 2016 1st Rd pick (unprotected)

Now, hear me out. The Knicks get a PF they can use now, before Melo retires, and a potential lottery draft pick next season. We get another development body for our rebuild, and we could actually use a decent development PG, believe it or not.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nn3nphv

PHX In: Ilyasova, Drummond
DET In: Kieff, Len, 2016 1st Rd Pick-Unprotected, 2019 1st Rd Pick-Lottery Protected

Another trade idea that's lopsided in our favor, hence the unprotected 1st next season, which with Drummond, would likely not be in the lottery. So we add the 2019 pick, which I believe is the year we receive the first of Miami's 1st Rd picks owed to us. That leaves us with 2016-Clev 1st, 2017-our 1st, 2018-our 1st, 2019-Heat's 1st--so we still retain a 1st Rd pick in each year. Time to use these picks as trade fodder, IMO, especially if it nets us a star Center.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qhrqdco

PHX In: C. Parsons
DAL In: Kieff, Tucker

Allows us to replace Tucker with a 'better', yet overpaid, SF, and Dallas gets a PF to play behind Dirk. I'm not a huge fan of Parsons, personally, and this would likely limit Warren's development, but it works, and only McD and Horny know how far along Warren is, and what they expect he can offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qhgqgzq

PHX In: JJ Hickson, 2016 Portland 1st Rd draft pick via DEN-protected 1-14 in 2016/2017, then becomes 2 2nd Rd picks in 2018
DEN In: Kieff

Hickson would do well paired with Len (who has range), while Mirza is playing with Chandler. Hickson is a lot like TT, but cheaper and not as good. Denver has a slew of 1st Rd picks next season, but with POR struggling, this is probably the best one for us.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nwepw4f

PHX In: WCS, McLemore
SAC In: Kieff, Goodwin, 2016 1st-Lotto Protected

Sacramento has ZERO true PFs on their roster. Now, many would love for us to go after Cousins, but for as bad as my ideas are, Cousins ain't happenin'. We might have to throw a pick in, since both WCS and McLemore are top 8 picks.

Then, there are the trades that make too much sense:

Kieff for R. Anderson
Kieff for Sullinger/P. Jones/Young
Kieff for T. Gibson or Mirotic

Those are the most likely, right? Thankfully, for you all, I've run out of teams to come up with crazy trade ideas. I will be submitting these past 3 days of trade ideas to McD, so don't be surprised when one of these take place!! LOL!!

I hope you get over your pain so you can stop taking those pain meds.

That hurts, bwgood--I'm mean like right here (me pointing at my chest)--and I mean, like, deep.

Why is this board so serious?!?! So, am I to assume that none of those trade ideas would be considered??

[Jdiddy701]

I for one don't like Tucker starting BUT I do love a player that vocally wants to be part of this team. That's very hard to find nowadays in the league.


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[Saberestar]

I am not worried at all because Markieff ' s production on the court can be replaced easily. And on the locker room all will be better without him. I want to grab some prospect / good player ( Cody Zeller for example) or a decent pick and go to the season. If we need to add that Cavs pick it wouldn't be a big loss.

It can't be replaced that easily. I'm sure we've been trying. Damn Aldridge and that guy that talked him into SA.

Markieff is not a game changer, we are gonna be fine without him.

If we don't adquire a good PF via trade, we can put Warren and Tucker on the starting five. Tucker is better defending PFs than Markieff....he is more agresive, can switch better, better rebounder and faster.
Warren will defend SFs, but offensively he can play around the paint and he will put better numbers than Markieff. Playing around 30 minutes per game he can put 15/6 in his sleep.