Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[King4Day]

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I don't see why we would just deal or cut him (unless a great deal is presented).
If McD really wants Okafor, then cut DJJ and if we can re-evaluate if we want to keep James too.

[Revived]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

[bwgood77]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Porzingis would have never been traded, regardless of who we included.

[bwgood77]

Yeah I wouldn't want to trade for Okafor because his 4th year team option was declined, we would be at disadvantage to resign him in the odd case he really breaks trough once we get him. The team who declined his option (Philly) or the team who trades for him (us) can only sign him to a similar size contract at max which was declined, so he would be an UFA and we could only offer him a little over 5M/year. As unlikely as it seems right now that he would get more in the open market, we lose value in those rare situations he plays great once getting a chance and that seems counterintuitive when taking a flyer on a guy.

Yeah, gaspar has pointed this out. Trading for him is a lose/lose, because if he plays well, other teams can pay him more if we trade for him. If we want him it's better to wait for FA, unless they don't want him past this season or don't expect someone else would offer him anything, but that seems risky.

[bwgood77]

How do we get Julius Randle in a Suns uniform? I've been a fan of his since pre-draft and always thought he's a solid piece to move forward with. Only issue is he's due for a new deal and we may need to take back an ugly contract to take him on.

I think LA will dump him regardless of whether or not they can trade away other money because I think getting rid of him gives them space for two max contracts. Or just wait for RFA.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Well, dark cloud, the Zinger shot 42% and 45% during his first two years, and 52% so far this year. He improved. Because he's young. And that's what young players tend to do.

This board would be much improved if we, collectively, were to recognize how green is our field, too. Give our players time; be patient; play the long game.

[Frank Lee]

At some point, likely soon, McDownpayment is going to have to chunk out some cash for a free agent. Gotta do it before Booker ransoms us for the max so we aren’t pinched by the cap.

It’s going to be easier to buy a star than trade for for one.

[Revived]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Porzingis would have never been traded, regardless of who we included.

Yeah could’ve been a bluff from P-Jax the whole time like it’s been reported.

[bwgood77]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Porzingis would have never been traded, regardless of who we included.

Yeah could’ve been a bluff from P-Jax the whole time like it’s been reported.

Well Phil was likely fired for the way he was treating Porzingis. He may have wanted to trade him but the owner wouldn't have signed off on it. It's the first franchise player they've drafted in years.... decades.....since Ewing probably.

[JJ13]

Clint Capela is a stud. I'd throw money at him when he becomes a FA. Doubtful rockets can afford to keep him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think that even in the short term, there are three things that could really improve this young squad this year:

(a) a post threat. Ideally, Quese would have gotten really good at this over the summer. But his post game sucks. Doesn't use his butt!! Does that drop step pivot move every time. Just like Len - learning countermoves before you've proven you can hit your the basic shot! But since it's not happening, we should give Moose or Okafor a shot.

(b) a guard who can facilitate. Ideally, this would have been Ulis. But he too is going through what can charitably be termed a sophomore slump. Can he earn Mike James's time? That would be ideal, because Mike James is an as$hole. JK. But if neither of these guys recovers, one of them is going to have to get taken out of the rotation so we can play an at least mediocre PG -- there are almost always decent vet PGs available if you're willing to give them PT.

(c) Josh earning TJ's time. You guys convinced me of this yesterday - and it passes the eye test - that TJ is much more effective without Booker on the floor. So we'd be better off with TJ coming off the bench. But we can't do that unless JJ takes those minutes. JJ needs to take those minutes.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

More Monroe trade ideas from Fansided: https://hoopshabit.com/2017/11/08/phoenix-suns-5-potential-greg-monroe-trades/

These ideas were much better: https://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/11/08/what-to-do-about-moose/

[Revived]

Mudiay has played really well this season. He’s finally got a jumper.

With Murray, Harris and Barton all in the Nuggets longterm plans, I think Mudiay can be attainable.

Would be nice to pair him with Booker, worth a try imo.

[Revived]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Well, dark cloud, the Zinger shot 42% and 45% during his first two years, and 52% so far this year. He improved. Because he's young. And that's what young players tend to do.

This board would be much improved if we, collectively, were to recognize how green is our field, too. Give our players time; be patient; play the long game.

I’m not saying Booker won’t be a stud too but clearly Porzingis has a higher ceiling than Booker as an overall player. Skilled bigs like him come by a lot less than guys like Booker.

All a moot point now and probably then too.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Well, dark cloud, the Zinger shot 42% and 45% during his first two years, and 52% so far this year. He improved. Because he's young. And that's what young players tend to do.

This board would be much improved if we, collectively, were to recognize how green is our field, too. Give our players time; be patient; play the long game.

I’m not saying Booker won’t be a stud too but clearly Porzingis has a higher ceiling than Booker as an overall player. Skilled bigs like him come by a lot less than guys like Booker.

All a moot point now and probably then too.

Given the difference in physical profile, I think you're right. OTOH, Booker's physical profile favors a longer, healthier career. I think KAT-Porzingis-Booker are clearly the top 3 players from that class, but where they end up in the end is up in the air, IMO. Given that uncertainty, I guess I'm just happy that we have one of them.

[jcsunsfan]

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I like this guy as a person. He seems a total professional about what seems to be a difficult situation.

[jcsunsfan]

Seeing how Porzingis has exploded this season...anyone else think Suns might regret it at least a bit not trading Booker for him during this summer when he may have been available?

I love Booker but Porzingis is a 2 way player and a special, once in a lifetime type talent.

Sure. Hindsight. Water under the bridge. Love our guy. Moving on.

[jcsunsfan]

Yeah I wouldn't want to trade for Okafor because his 4th year team option was declined, we would be at disadvantage to resign him in the odd case he really breaks trough once we get him. The team who declined his option (Philly) or the team who trades for him (us) can only sign him to a similar size contract at max which was declined, so he would be an UFA and we could only offer him a little over 5M/year. As unlikely as it seems right now that he would get more in the open market, we lose value in those rare situations he plays great once getting a chance and that seems counterintuitive when taking a flyer on a guy.

Yeah, gaspar has pointed this out. Trading for him is a lose/lose, because if he plays well, other teams can pay him more if we trade for him. If we want him it's better to wait for FA, unless they don't want him past this season or don't expect someone else would offer him anything, but that seems risky.

We could keep Monroe and trade Len for him. If Len agrees. No risk there. They are both in the same situation. Each team gets a different look at a guy.

[bwgood77]

I think that even in the short term, there are three things that could really improve this young squad this year:

(a) a post threat. Ideally, Quese would have gotten really good at this over the summer. But his post game sucks. Doesn't use his butt!! Does that drop step pivot move every time. Just like Len - learning countermoves before you've proven you can hit your the basic shot! But since it's not happening, we should give Moose or Okafor a shot.

(b) a guard who can facilitate. Ideally, this would have been Ulis. But he too is going through what can charitably be termed a sophomore slump. Can he earn Mike James's time? That would be ideal, because Mike James is an as$hole. JK. But if neither of these guys recovers, one of them is going to have to get taken out of the rotation so we can play an at least mediocre PG -- there are almost always decent vet PGs available if you're willing to give them PT.

(c) Josh earning TJ's time. You guys convinced me of this yesterday - and it passes the eye test - that TJ is much more effective without Booker on the floor. So we'd be better off with TJ coming off the bench. But we can't do that unless JJ takes those minutes. JJ needs to take those minutes.

I thought you loved Mike James?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think that even in the short term, there are three things that could really improve this young squad this year:

(a) a post threat. Ideally, Quese would have gotten really good at this over the summer. But his post game sucks. Doesn't use his butt!! Does that drop step pivot move every time. Just like Len - learning countermoves before you've proven you can hit your the basic shot! But since it's not happening, we should give Moose or Okafor a shot.

(b) a guard who can facilitate. Ideally, this would have been Ulis. But he too is going through what can charitably be termed a sophomore slump. Can he earn Mike James's time? That would be ideal, because Mike James is an as$hole. JK. But if neither of these guys recovers, one of them is going to have to get taken out of the rotation so we can play an at least mediocre PG -- there are almost always decent vet PGs available if you're willing to give them PT.

(c) Josh earning TJ's time. You guys convinced me of this yesterday - and it passes the eye test - that TJ is much more effective without Booker on the floor. So we'd be better off with TJ coming off the bench. But we can't do that unless JJ takes those minutes. JJ needs to take those minutes.

I thought you loved Mike James?

lol. I mean, I am the President of the fan club.