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bwgood77 wrote:I see in Kevin O' Connor's mock he has Vassell to the Suns. He has Hayes going 11. On his big board he has Hayes #1 and Vassell #6.
nevetsov wrote:I like Vassell and Deni as our targets, but I see Vassell going 5-7 and Deni going no later than 9.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:nevetsov wrote:I like Vassell and Deni as our targets, but I see Vassell going 5-7 and Deni going no later than 9.
We could definitely use a little lotto magic for sure! Gonna be interesting choices to make. So if we move up a bit, And both were on the board, Who ya' taking?
Just realized I wrote Lewis (who's an interesting prospect) when I was actually talking about Tyrell Terry lol. That's why I mentioned size (not an issue with Lewis) because Terry is pretty little.bwgood77 wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:Thoughts on guys like Maxey and Lewis? I'm starting my dive into the PG prospects. Very quick take I like Lewis shooting and quickness but I'm always leery of little PGs especially in playoff matchups. I like Maxeys size but he seems like a project.
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I don't know, but I was looking at thestepien rankings which I guess they haven't updated in a long time, but they had Maxey in tier 1 with Ball, Edwards and Anthony. They didn't have Lewis (or Halliburton, or Toppin) in either of the top two tiers but did have Maledon and Hampton there along with Hayes and some others....this must have been early in the season.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
So who was there in their mock to take? Who did they take?
Blonde wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
So who was there in their mock to take? Who did they take?
Sidery picked at 10 for the Suns and took Haliburton. Both guests liked the fit with Phoenix but commented that they probably would have gone another direction with a more insulating on ball defender to support Booker. They both are very high on his team defense and shooting though. Each thought 10 was toward the higher end of where they were comfortable picking Haliburton, but not necessarily a reach. Jackson Frank and Pfeifer are more or less echochambers of each other throughout (which seems to be the case with draft twitter gurus in general) Full mock draft:
Edwards (Wolves)
Ball (Pistons)
Hayes (Wizards)
Deni (Hawks)
Maxey (Warriors)
Okoro (Cavs)
Toppin (Knicks)
Pokusevski (Bulls)
Okongwu (Hornets)
Haliburton (Suns)
Vassell (Spurs)
Williams (Kings)
Cole Anthony (Pelicans)
I would have been fine with any of Lewis/Haliburton/Vassell/ or Cole if I was picking at that spot.
nevetsov wrote:Why did Wiseman drop so far?
A lot of draftnic types are going to be low on Wiseman because they just don't value rim running C's. Now I hope some team rolls the dice on him early because I have no interest for the suns and it would push another player down.ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:nevetsov wrote:Why did Wiseman drop so far?
Wouldn't know. I don't think they mentioned him. Wacky af.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Blonde wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
So who was there in their mock to take? Who did they take?
Sidery picked at 10 for the Suns and took Haliburton. Both guests liked the fit with Phoenix but commented that they probably would have gone another direction with a more insulating on ball defender to support Booker. They both are very high on his team defense and shooting though. Each thought 10 was toward the higher end of where they were comfortable picking Haliburton, but not necessarily a reach. Jackson Frank and Pfeifer are more or less echochambers of each other throughout (which seems to be the case with draft twitter gurus in general) Full mock draft:
Edwards (Wolves)
Ball (Pistons)
Hayes (Wizards)
Deni (Hawks)
Maxey (Warriors)
Okoro (Cavs)
Toppin (Knicks)
Pokusevski (Bulls)
Okongwu (Hornets)
Haliburton (Suns)
Vassell (Spurs)
Williams (Kings)
Cole Anthony (Pelicans)
I would have been fine with any of Lewis/Haliburton/Vassell/ or Cole if I was picking at that spot.
Yeah the whole thing was pretty shocking. Worth noting they took turns with the picks - it wasn't a consensus mock. But Maxey at 5, Okoro at 6, and Wiseman outside the lotto for starters. I think there's a real solid chance Haliburton drops to us and that we take him, but he's not a safe pick, as he has a long way to go physically before he's useful and who knows how things are going to work out with that set shot of his. But man it would kill me if the Spurs landed Vassell, or we were one pick away from landing Okongwu. The idea that any of Okoro, Maxey, Edwards or Pokusevski would go ahead of him is absurd to me.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:A lot of draftnic types are going to be low on Wiseman because they just don't value rim running C's. Now I hope some team rolls the dice on him early because I have no interest for the suns and it would push another player down.ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:nevetsov wrote:Why did Wiseman drop so far?
Wouldn't know. I don't think they mentioned him. Wacky af.
Wiseman is a guy who really needs in person works out to happen. He's the type that a FO can talk themselves into when they get him in their gym and see his size and athleticism in person.
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No I don't think Wiseman should/could play the 4. Ayton would be better suited for that than him especially if he ever starts launching 3s. Now I don't really think that's the best use of Ayton though.Frank Lee wrote:Jeez....Wiseman drops to us, I hope we keep him. Is it a given he couldnt play beside Ayton? Are we certain he cant play PF minutes? You just dont find dudes with his physical abilities very often. Im down for the twin tower redux...... But I can see us doing a draft day deal, moving back some and still ending up with a suitable PG to be groomed, plus another valuable asset. I think we will have 2-3 pathways to take depending on our draft# and FA talks.
And if last year is a blueprint, we may be happy moving back in the draft, selecting a PG, and snagging another player of need. If Baynes and Saric return, we really only have 16+ minutes at PG, and 24 or so at PF to fill. The rest is covered. I have no problem giving a good rook playing time. It has worked out OK for Book, Bridges, Johnson, and Ayton.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:No I don't think Wiseman should/could play the 4. Ayton would be better suited for that than him especially if he ever starts launching 3s. Now I don't really think that's the best use of Ayton though.Frank Lee wrote:Jeez....Wiseman drops to us, I hope we keep him. Is it a given he couldnt play beside Ayton? Are we certain he cant play PF minutes? You just dont find dudes with his physical abilities very often. Im down for the twin tower redux...... But I can see us doing a draft day deal, moving back some and still ending up with a suitable PG to be groomed, plus another valuable asset. I think we will have 2-3 pathways to take depending on our draft# and FA talks.
And if last year is a blueprint, we may be happy moving back in the draft, selecting a PG, and snagging another player of need. If Baynes and Saric return, we really only have 16+ minutes at PG, and 24 or so at PF to fill. The rest is covered. I have no problem giving a good rook playing time. It has worked out OK for Book, Bridges, Johnson, and Ayton.
If the suns did take Wiseman they should just use him as the backup C next year. He's super raw and that's about all the minutes he should really play if on a team that's trying to win.
I'm not a big Wiseman fan but at 10 sure maybe it's a worthwhile gamble on sheer athleticism.
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