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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#81 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:34 am

jcsunsfan wrote:
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jcsunsfan wrote:Looks like Tucker is gone.

I am getting the sense that the Suns have learned that someone is going to offer Bledsoe a max or near max contract (Dallas?) and they really were hoping to scare such teams away with the "we will match all offers" comments. They are now floating s&t ideas to see if they stir up some other options.

I am a bit concerned about such wholesale changes for next year. Losing Frye, Bledsoe, and Tucker would have great impact on chemistry, but we have not actually built our team yet. If Houston wants to move Harden in order to go after Carmelo and LeBron, then Bledsoe might be a good option. I don't know. Its getting a bit scary.

I have faith in McD, but somethings things get out of your control.


Come down off the ledge. From a practical standpoint, Dallas does not have the cap space to make a max offer for Bledsoe. Frye is likely to return on a smaller - longer contract-yeah I know GSW likes him but they are very limited in what they can offer him and when you take into account what he would have to pay in Cal state tax, he loses substantial amount from a financial standpoint. They are not really any closer to a championship then we are. His home is here and has been since childhood. The Suns have sent signals that they want him back and I think they step up to the plate and resign him.

Tucker I am less confident in. Someone will pay him - is it more than we want to? But he is restricted and well liked.


I think we are going to lose Tucker, and that's OK. With TJ, Green, Marcus, and even Archie able to play the 3, we work on developing younger guys. It would be nice to get something in return in and s&t, but who knows.

Frye, that's interesting. Markieff should start over him this year. Would he be willing to take less for a longer deal--don't know. But it also seems that the Suns are at least looking at other options for a stretch 4, including Anderson.

Bledsoe. Something is up. Sarver's hesitation in the radio interview and the drafting of a pg and the shopping around for a pg have me intrigued. It might be a good thing. There might be some sort of sign and trade option. Who knows. Its a lot of changes though. And normally you don't want to change that much, but we are still in a rebuilding process, and you have to be willing to change until you get your roster core set.

Not on a ledge. Just trying to figure out what is going on.



I am okay losing Tucker if somebody offers him the MLE. That is a lot of money for PJ Tucker. And from past history, teams that pay a guy the MLE - it doesn't work out -- if I remember a report - very well. Teams over pay

PJ Tucker brings heart, defense and hustle but Suns cannot overpay for that. And if some team offers 5 years, 27-28m - the full MLE - you have to wish PJ the best and move on.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#82 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:36 am

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cosmofizzo wrote:I just checked the DET board and they're all discussing a Bledsoe/Monroe swap. But the article suggested an Ennis/Monroe swap. The former is far less expensive, but the latter leaves us in a much better position to compete immediately. viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1325240&start=320

Dragic/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Marcus/Warren
Monroe/Markieff
Plumlee/Len

It would be interesting to see Marcus become a starter while Markieff came off the bench. Kieff would still see plenty of minutes as I'm sure our centers won't split all 48 minutes with Monroe in the fold.


Detroit would love anyone but Jennings at point guard. I would not touch a Bledsoe for Monroe deal. I think the Lakers have their eye on Monroe - as a center. I would not be surprised if they offer him a substantial deal.


Agreed, that's garbage for the Suns. Plus I doubt Bledsoe is dying to play in Detroit. I'd trade Bledsoe for Drummond though.
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Post#83 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:38 am

With Z-Bo signing an extension with the Grizzlies, that leaves Pau Gasol as the only veteran big man who can score on the block in free agency. It will most likely drive up his price, unless he really likes the situation he would be going to. It also destroys the rumor that he teams up with his brother in Memphis.
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Post#84 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:39 am

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cosmofizzo wrote:
Dragic/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Marcus/Warren
Monroe/Markieff
Plumlee/Len


Agreed, that's garbage for the Suns. Plus I doubt Bledsoe is dying to play in Detroit. I'd trade Bledsoe for Drummond though.


So, trade 'em Ennis. That's essentially what the article I referred to suggested.

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Dragic/Green
Marcus/Warren
Monroe/Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Or we could just go with Bosh. I don't know. Bosh is a more complete defender, but he left his post-up game and his rebounding in Toronto. I do like his personality, though. And he can stretch the floor - not as well as Frye, but pretty well.
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Post#85 » by Safety Pickle » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:48 am

cosmofizzo wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
Dragic/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Marcus/Warren
Monroe/Markieff
Plumlee/Len


Agreed, that's garbage for the Suns. Plus I doubt Bledsoe is dying to play in Detroit. I'd trade Bledsoe for Drummond though.


So, trade 'em Ennis. That's essentially what the article I referred to suggested.

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Dragic/Green
Marcus/Warren
Monroe/Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Or we could just go with Bosh. I don't know. Bosh is a more complete defender, but he left his post-up game and his rebounding in Toronto. I do like his personality, though. And he can stretch the floor - not as well as Frye, but pretty well.


Which article are you referring to?
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Post#86 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:59 am

Safety Pickle wrote:Which article are you referring to?


http://www.freep.com/article/20140626/C ... -nba-draft

Suggests S&T'ing Monroe for one of our picks. Ennis would be perfect for them, but I really like Ennis, and giving Monroe a max contract would be overpaying. If we don't want to overpay Bledsoe, why overpay Monroe? So there are caveats to all this.

Maybe Bosh is a better option because we wouldn't need a S&T. But he would be more expensive in free agency, and he is over 30.

I just don't think Kieff is good enough if we're trying to contend, and I don't think he's a good pairing with Warren long-term. So I'm happy to keep him if we're going for the long-term rebuild, in which case maybe we S&T Bled for, say, picks. If we want to contend, I really think we'll need to upgrade the 4. Happy to give Kieff a chance, but I don't see him getting better defending the low-post or on the glass, and we have absolutely no one in the low post. Just trying to be creative here. We could go any number of directions.
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Post#87 » by letsgosuns » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:26 am

Outside of re-signing Bledsoe, If the Suns are unable to land one of the superstar free agents, I do not want them to sign anyone. The only guy I am open to is Gasol because I think he could help Plumlee and Len a lot. If they do not get him or the superstars, I would rather them just develop all of their young players and build off their potential. Guys like Monroe, Hayward, Deng, Ariza, I have no interest in these players. They are lateral moves. All those guys want big contracts and none of them are all that much better than what the Suns already have. They might be slight improvements but are nowhere near going to make the Suns championship contenders. Because of that, I am more excited about what the Suns young players can turn into and hopefully they can become stars.
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Post#88 » by JDLAW » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:41 am

letsgosuns wrote:Outside of re-signing Bledsoe, If the Suns are unable to land one of the superstar free agents, I do not want them to sign anyone. The only guy I am open to is Gasol because I think he could help Plumlee and Len a lot. If they do not get him or the superstars, I would rather them just develop all of their young players and build off their potential. Guys like Monroe, Hayward, Deng, Ariza, I have no interest in these players. They are lateral moves. All those guys want big contracts and none of them are all that much better than what the Suns already have. They might be slight improvements but are nowhere near going to make the Suns championship contenders. Because of that, I am more excited about what the Suns young players can turn into and hopefully they can become stars.


I like Hayward because of his age and abilities. He'd make a good fit here, but the price might be too high. I have no interest in Deng (injury issues) Ariza (not enough of an upgrade) or Monroe. If we were to sign Monroe to a max deal, we'd regret it from day one.

One other thing people need to stop throwing max contracts out there for every player. I do not know where the max deal for Bledsoe comes from, but the market is not out there for him and a max deal. Teams like NYK are telling stars like Melo you need to take less than a max. The big three in Miami are again contemplating taking less than the max. Teams are throwing max deals around like manhole covers. Bledsoe will get a rich deal >$10M, but he will not get a max deal. There does not appear to be anyone out there in the market that will give him that. The few teams that can are unlikely and the others are capped out. The other problem is that there is a buyers market for point guards right now. The realities of this CBA with its harsh tax penalties and the shift in the NBA game have started to set in.
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Post#89 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:11 am

SF88 wrote:I don't want us to keep saving capspace as if some superstar is gonna sign with us next summer. I want us to sign whoever it is to improve the team as long as it's not massively overpaying.

I'd like us to get a guy like Jordan Hill or Ed Davis more so than Hawes. Especially since Hill has become a much improved jump shooter.


I like Jordan Hill. He'd be a nice player to have. But at what cost? And who does he play instead of? I wish we could mesh Channing Frye and Jordan Hill's strengths together. That would be a nice versatile Wildcat big man.
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Post#90 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:29 am

Is there any chance Bledsoe, PJ & Frye are all brought back? Players on the roster should that happen:

Bledsoe
Dragic
Green
Goodwin
Ennis
PJ
Warren
Markieff
Marcus
Frye
Plumlee
Len
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#91 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:30 am

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1UPZ wrote:I think...

1. lakers will offer max for Bledsoe, and try to go for Melo. But Bryant, Randle, Bledsoe is the foundation they want to run with in the next 2-3 years.

2. Mavs will also offer max but Bledsoe will sign lakers offer.



3. sign and trade with lakers gives suns nothing, so they end up keeping Bledsoe... Unwillingly at max money.
And try to trade him next season. But now Dragic is due for a contract then...



4. Kings.... suns would best try to convince kings to make an offer for Bledsoe... They have assets.
Maybe for Rudy Gay, as he is expiring in 2015, that's my vibe anyways.


Readjust your thinking. The Mavs do not have the cap space and the Lakers do not want Bledsoe at the max, it shuts them out of other free agents. The kings would probably like Bledsoe, but Bledsoe would have to like the Kings and and the Kings would have to sign and trade as they do not have the cap space, which means the Suns maintain all of the leverage. The Kings would have to give up Stauskus and McLemore as starters to get Beldsoe because there is no one else on that roster that the Suns would want. Think they do that?


It's funny, I just typed up a very long response to the post you responded to and my first word was "Think", and then I started to describe situations. It got so long and then I decided it was pointless and deleted it.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#92 » by drewsprocket » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:31 am

We haven't heard the suns making a qualifying offer to Frye...any chance he's gonna be renounced?
That'd be a gutsy move.
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Post#93 » by nevetsov » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:38 am

drewsprocket wrote:We haven't heard the suns making a qualifying offer to Frye...any chance he's gonna be renounced?
That'd be a gutsy move.


Pretty sure Frye's PO makes him unrestricted - you only tender qualifying offers to restricted FA's to reserve their rights.


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Post#94 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:43 am

DirtyDez wrote:Is there any chance Bledsoe, PJ & Frye are all brought back? Players on the roster should that happen:

Bledsoe
Dragic
Green
Goodwin
Ennis
PJ
Warren
Markieff
Marcus
Frye
Plumlee
Len


I think so. I'd even match a MLE offer for PJ..someone mentioned they wouldn't. That's a bargain for him and eventually he would probably just be a great backup. But with the lack of quality free agents that will likely sign with us, why let him go for the MLE? I posted on the WAS board about Ariza and they were saying he is worth 8 and they expect someone to give him 10. I know I mentioned before I wouldn't mind Ariza, but I was thinking at more like 6 max and mostly IF we lost Tucker.

It will be interesting to see what Frye, Tucker and Bledsoe get as offers from other teams and if they are interested in them.
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Post#95 » by phx#7 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:49 am

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drewsprocket wrote:We haven't heard the suns making a qualifying offer to Frye...any chance he's gonna be renounced?
That'd be a gutsy move.


Pretty sure Frye's PO makes him unrestricted - you only tender qualifying offers to restricted FA's to reserve their rights.


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And retaining his rights puts a near 10mil cap hold on the team. If they sign him they will just use cap space.
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Post#96 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:57 am

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Is there any chance Bledsoe, PJ & Frye are all brought back? Players on the roster should that happen:

Bledsoe
Dragic
Green
Goodwin
Ennis
PJ
Warren
Markieff
Marcus
Frye
Plumlee
Len


I think so. I'd even match a MLE offer for PJ..someone mentioned they wouldn't. That's a bargain for him and eventually he would probably just be a great backup. But with the lack of quality free agents that will likely sign with us, why let him go for the MLE? I posted on the WAS board about Ariza and they were saying he is worth 8 and they expect someone to give him 10. I know I mentioned before I wouldn't mind Ariza, but I was thinking at more like 6 max and mostly IF we lost Tucker.

It will be interesting to see what Frye, Tucker and Bledsoe get as offers from other teams and if they are interested in them.


I'm predicting Bledsoe will get 12-14M per season which ISNT max money but still a fat contract. PJ shouldn't get more than Dudley-type cash but 3 years max. Should Frye leave then Marcus can back up Kieff at PF and Tucker/Warren at SF. Goodwin/Ennis can battle for whatever backup minutes Green doesn't take.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#97 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:26 am

DirtyDez wrote:
I'm predicting Bledsoe will get 12-14M per season which ISNT max money but still a fat contract. PJ shouldn't get more than Dudley-type cash but 3 years max. Should Frye leave then Marcus can back up Kieff at PF and Tucker/Warren at SF. Goodwin/Ennis can battle for whatever backup minutes Green doesn't take.


Hopefully Bledsoe doesn't get any more than 12. It doesn't make a ton of sense for most any team, depending on their situation, to offer him close the max, so hopefully he accepts something around 11. 12 would be ok but stretching it. Not saying I wouldn't match anything but I have a feeling if he gets a max contract, and we match it, it's going to impact team chemistry to an extent and I think it would hurt negotiations with Dragic next summer, unless we are ok paying a backcourt 30+ a year. Having Dragic and Bledsoe at 22-24 is just a big difference between having to pay them 30. Plus, you always want your players to have trade value for what they are making and not be liabilities you can't wait to get past.
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Post#98 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:40 am

letsgosuns wrote:Outside of re-signing Bledsoe, If the Suns are unable to land one of the superstar free agents, I do not want them to sign anyone. The only guy I am open to is Gasol because I think he could help Plumlee and Len a lot. If they do not get him or the superstars, I would rather them just develop all of their young players and build off their potential. Guys like Monroe, Hayward, Deng, Ariza, I have no interest in these players. They are lateral moves. All those guys want big contracts and none of them are all that much better than what the Suns already have. They might be slight improvements but are nowhere near going to make the Suns championship contenders. Because of that, I am more excited about what the Suns young players can turn into and hopefully they can become stars.


Agreed here. I think getting Pau will help develop both Plumlee and Len significantly faster than without him. Sign Pau and Parsons, match any offer for Bledsoe and call it a solid offseason.

Bledsoe/Dragic/Parsons/Pau/Plumlee
Ennis/Archie/Green/Kieff/Len +Warren/Marcus

We're pretty stacked, even with most of our bench being inexperienced we still have Green/Kieff who make us a solid seven deep.
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Post#99 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:57 am

Frontload Parsons contract for this upcoming season, to f*** over the Rockets, that way they definitely can't sign Melo or Lebron (if they decide to match), plus the following season it will be significantly lower. Hopefully we'll still be able to keep Dragic and Markieff Morris after this season too.
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Post#100 » by gaspar » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:08 am

cosmofizzo wrote:I had no interest in him before, but one player who suddenly appeals with the inclusion of Warren on the roster is Greg Monroe. Good passer, good rebounder, can play post D. Can't play team D, or step out on his man, or guard the P&R, but paired with Plumlee or Len in the front court - I imagine that could work. Can't stretch the floor very well - another knock. But with Warren on the roster, I'm suddenly open to the idea.

To elaborate, the Pistons want to get something in return for him. Maybe the Morrises?

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Warren/Green
Monroe
Plumlee/Len

That... that could work. I guess I'd try to re-sign Frye with that squad. Maybe McBob becomes an option. What do others think?

Oh, and there's this. Huh. http://www.freep.com/article/20140626/C ... -nba-draft

Monroe is an absolutely horrible fit in Phoenix, ESPECIALLY with Warren.

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