The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[DragonBladeSuns]

Humps overpaid... He will go good along side the polish "can't make a layup"hamer.

There wanna be suns backcourt needs shooters not rebounders and scrapers.....

Probably insurance for Nene, feel like he was always injured last year

I don't know what the wizards are doing...... I would of traded Nene for some forward depth they just got worse this offseason. They just let Ariza walk and signed paul pierce who doesn't fit there uptempo style at all......

[bwgood77]

Humps overpaid... He will go good along side the polish "can't make a layup"hamer.

There wanna be suns backcourt needs shooters not rebounders and scrapers.....

Their "wanna be" suns backcourt is very good and younger than ours. Beal is a shooter, and not as much as a driver, so they don't need shooters at the big positions as much as we do.

Personally I think Washington could get a top 3 seed next year (if they stay healthy), and depending on Rose's health and the way the Cleveland pieces fit, maybe even higher. Wall, Beal, Pierce, Nene, Gortat and the backcourt should only get better. Humphries not a bad backup big.

Atlanta should be right there too though (if Horford stays healthy), and Toronto should get better with their young core.

[DragonBladeSuns]

Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?

If he did he will be traded

Didn't we already go through this. Wasn't the dinner Deng not Bledsoe? The twitter guy retracted

Oh I didn't no.... Wade just agreed to a long term deal so Bledsoe wasn't going there anyway.

[Sreister]

Whatever we give Bledsoe we gotta give Dragic.. If they play around all 82 games this year there stats will be to similar. I'm worried about green next year how much would we be willing to give him. I think he's a guy that could get traded at this upcoming deadline.

I don't see Green being traded unless it's right now. We have his BEST year he'll every likely to have this year as it is his contract year. We get what we can out of him at 3.5 mil and let him walk. He is going to get a payday, why not let him earn it for us?

He will but were gonna have to resign the Morris twins down the road as well. Can't have one without the other I'm just thinking about the future... I could see him taking a bargain since we gave him a chance. Green is worth as much as Swaggy ps contract.

But obv the Morris twins will take cheaper deals to stay together.

LOLWUT?

But seriously, how are the Morri involved in this discussion at all? They have no barring to letting Green play out his contract and moving on. We can sign them whether or not we trade Green.

[DragonBladeSuns]

I don't see Green being traded unless it's right now. We have his BEST year he'll every likely to have this year as it is his contract year. We get what we can out of him at 3.5 mil and let him walk. He is going to get a payday, why not let him earn it for us?

He will but were gonna have to resign the Morris twins down the road as well. Can't have one without the other I'm just thinking about the future... I could see him taking a bargain since we gave him a chance. Green is worth as much as Swaggy ps contract.

But obv the Morris twins will take cheaper deals to stay together.

LOLWUT?

But seriously, how are the Morri involved in this discussion at all? They have no barring to letting Green play out his contract and moving on. We can sign them whether or not we trade Green.

If we plan on resigning the Morris twins... Might as well get something for green we might not have much cap space left by 2016-2017 especially if we resign green in 2015/2016 off season. Morris twins are more important, with bled drag and Isaiah taking up our salary it would be tough to keep all green, Morris twins.

[SideSwipe]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

Hey Traxxe, have you heard anything with the Rox being mentioned with PHX? Far-fetched deal I proposed, but it has Bledsoe going to Rox with Love and Harden coming to PHX, with a large collection of pieces and picks to Minny,

[Sreister]

He will but were gonna have to resign the Morris twins down the road as well. Can't have one without the other I'm just thinking about the future... I could see him taking a bargain since we gave him a chance. Green is worth as much as Swaggy ps contract.

But obv the Morris twins will take cheaper deals to stay together.

LOLWUT?

But seriously, how are the Morri involved in this discussion at all? They have no barring to letting Green play out his contract and moving on. We can sign them whether or not we trade Green.

If we plan on resigning the Morris twins... Might as well get something for green we might not have much cap space left by 2016-2017 especially if we resign green in 2015/2016 off season. Morris twins are more important, with bled drag and Isaiah taking up our salary it would be tough to keep all green, Morris twins.

Your logic is flawed. We ARE getting something out of him. His CONTRACT YEAR. That alone makes him worth more than we can ever get out of him. No one will want a rental for half a year. We get a 2nd rounder out of him MAX. Unless we pair him up as filler in a bigger deal, he is worth the most to us as a contract year player working his ass off to get paid.

[thamadkant]

I would not be surprised if McD signs Anthony Randolph…

The guy has the tools… and is on par with McD's policy of going for "misused", "high athleticism", "high ceiling", "freakish" players.

Also on NBA2K14… Anthony Randolph is my starting PF and averaging 17/11/2.5…. obviously immaturity/IQ isn't a NBA2K14 trait.

Stop playing on rookie settings

Hehe
I've been playing 2K since Dreamcast days and the last several years I only play all-star and above... Depending on if I want to stat pad hehe.

And 80% of the time, I play association and play 10+ seasons every year.

Anthony Randolph always puts up good stats every time he starts on any 2K team...
On my current association mode I SIM 60-70 regular season games and I look at the box scores and Randolph gets 20 rebound 5+ block games a lot lol.

[DragonBladeSuns]

LOLWUT?

But seriously, how are the Morri involved in this discussion at all? They have no barring to letting Green play out his contract and moving on. We can sign them whether or not we trade Green.

If we plan on resigning the Morris twins... Might as well get something for green we might not have much cap space left by 2016-2017 especially if we resign green in 2015/2016 off season. Morris twins are more important, with bled drag and Isaiah taking up our salary it would be tough to keep all green, Morris twins.

Your logic is flawed. We ARE getting something out of him. His CONTRACT YEAR. That alone makes him worth more than we can ever get out of him. No one will want a rental for half a year. We get a 2nd rounder out of him MAX. Unless we pair him up as filler in a bigger deal, he is worth the most to us as a contract year player working his ass off to get paid.

Maybe it is but how will green play with Isaiah now? Last year the suns would do the old school KJ and Hornaseck rotation with green coming and play the sg until bled checked back in for Dragic than Hornaseck would bring drag and bled back with about 6 mins left in the half the old take one out leave one in than vice versa for the next quarter this is wen the suns were at there best with that subsitution pattern with green, rather than ish and green in at the same times. That's where green got his 20-25 mins. Are we gonna take out bled and drag at the same time to put Isaiah and green in? Maybe do what the 2010 suns did and had a complete 5 man bench while the 5 starters would rest? Should be interesting to see.

[Sreister]

If we plan on resigning the Morris twins... Might as well get something for green we might not have much cap space left by 2016-2017 especially if we resign green in 2015/2016 off season. Morris twins are more important, with bled drag and Isaiah taking up our salary it would be tough to keep all green, Morris twins.

Your logic is flawed. We ARE getting something out of him. His CONTRACT YEAR. That alone makes him worth more than we can ever get out of him. No one will want a rental for half a year. We get a 2nd rounder out of him MAX. Unless we pair him up as filler in a bigger deal, he is worth the most to us as a contract year player working his ass off to get paid.

Maybe it is but how will green play with Isaiah now? Last year the suns would do the old school KJ and Hornaseck rotation with green coming and play the sg until bled or drag checked back in for him. That's where green got his 20-25 mins. Are we gonna take out bled and drag at the same time to put Isaiah and green in? Maybe do what the 2010 suns did and had a complete 5 man bench while the 5 starters would rest? Should be interesting to see.

THAT, my friend, is up to Horny to decide. I don't see any issues with all 4 getting time. Plus Green can play the 3 as well.

I will agree we have a lot of depth, almost too much. But depth also means assets that can be expendable. It'll be another fun year for sure.

[thamadkant]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

I don't think Dragic would commit (why would he?) and I don't think Love would either (why would he?) so it would be a gamble both ways. Dragic would have to be assured he would get the 30% max or like $80 million over 4 years, or maybe even a 5 year deal worth over $100 to consider it I'd think.

I think the only way Bledsoe would agree to a S&T to a team like Milwaukee or Minnesota is if we held firm at 4/48 and he would rather get 4/63 going to one of those places.

Bledsoe has zero leverage at this point. To get the best deal possible he may have to sign with Milwaukee for like 4/52 and we will match. If they can dump Ilyasova they could give him the full max though, so he could do that and we could match or attempt a S&T but they really don't have very good assets.

I'm shocked that we are even thinking Dragic is close to a 20 million dollar a year contract after 1 good season.

Dragic is worth 12-14 max in my books... If everyone gets max contract based on one good season... There would be 50-60 players on 15+ million a year contracts...

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...
Until he can repeate what he did last season and helps suns get to the playoffs... I wouldn't dream of giving him over 12 million... Maybe Wolves may give him close to 14 if they trade for him.. Purely because no one wants to play there.

[DragonBladeSuns]

Your logic is flawed. We ARE getting something out of him. His CONTRACT YEAR. That alone makes him worth more than we can ever get out of him. No one will want a rental for half a year. We get a 2nd rounder out of him MAX. Unless we pair him up as filler in a bigger deal, he is worth the most to us as a contract year player working his ass off to get paid.

Maybe it is but how will green play with Isaiah now? Last year the suns would do the old school KJ and Hornaseck rotation with green coming and play the sg until bled or drag checked back in for him. That's where green got his 20-25 mins. Are we gonna take out bled and drag at the same time to put Isaiah and green in? Maybe do what the 2010 suns did and had a complete 5 man bench while the 5 starters would rest? Should be interesting to see.

THAT, my friend, is up to Horny to decide. I don't see any issues with all 4 getting time. Plus Green can play the 3 as well.

I will agree we have a lot of depth, almost too much. But depth also means assets that can be expendable. It'll be another fun year for sure.

I'm excited to see I'm sure horny told green to improve his rebounding and d so he could become a legit swingman playing the 2 and 3

[DragonBladeSuns]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

I don't think Dragic would commit (why would he?) and I don't think Love would either (why would he?) so it would be a gamble both ways. Dragic would have to be assured he would get the 30% max or like $80 million over 4 years, or maybe even a 5 year deal worth over $100 to consider it I'd think.

I think the only way Bledsoe would agree to a S&T to a team like Milwaukee or Minnesota is if we held firm at 4/48 and he would rather get 4/63 going to one of those places.

Bledsoe has zero leverage at this point. To get the best deal possible he may have to sign with Milwaukee for like 4/52 and we will match. If they can dump Ilyasova they could give him the full max though, so he could do that and we could match or attempt a S&T but they really don't have very good assets.

I'm shocked that we are even thinking Dragic is close to a 20 million dollar a year contract after 1 good season.

Dragic is worth 12-14 max in my books... If everyone gets max contract based on one good season... There would be 50-60 players on 15+ million a year contracts...

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...
Until he can repeate what he did last season and helps suns get to the playoffs... I wouldn't dream of giving him over 12 million... Maybe Wolves may give him close to 14 if they trade for him.. Purely because no one wants to play there.

I think goran is so good.... He has an even better player efficiency rating than KJ and Nash not that means anything. But once Goran gets his free throw shooting % up and makes an allstar team he will get more calls and cash in more at the line. When goran played vs curry and had 34 he just took it to him and looked like an nba all first team guard.

[Sreister]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

I don't think Dragic would commit (why would he?) and I don't think Love would either (why would he?) so it would be a gamble both ways. Dragic would have to be assured he would get the 30% max or like $80 million over 4 years, or maybe even a 5 year deal worth over $100 to consider it I'd think.

I think the only way Bledsoe would agree to a S&T to a team like Milwaukee or Minnesota is if we held firm at 4/48 and he would rather get 4/63 going to one of those places.

Bledsoe has zero leverage at this point. To get the best deal possible he may have to sign with Milwaukee for like 4/52 and we will match. If they can dump Ilyasova they could give him the full max though, so he could do that and we could match or attempt a S&T but they really don't have very good assets.

I'm shocked that we are even thinking Dragic is close to a 20 million dollar a year contract after 1 good season.

Dragic is worth 12-14 max in my books... If everyone gets max contract based on one good season... There would be 50-60 players on 15+ million a year contracts...

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...
Until he can repeate what he did last season and helps suns get to the playoffs... I wouldn't dream of giving him over 12 million... Maybe Wolves may give him close to 14 if they trade for him.. Purely because no one wants to play there.

Someone with the balls to say it. Good for you. Dragic, hopefully, was an allstar waiting to happen. But we have no idea if he is a perennial allstar year. He's been worth his 7.5 mil up until last year where he obviously outgrew that contract. But next year and the year after are going to be the telling point. But even with next year, his contract year, it will be hard to gauge how long he will last. I HATE how everyone says "Well he'll be the same age as Nash. Well how often do you see a Steve Nash come around? Not often. He will be tricky to deal with. I almost feel it's money ahead to trade him for a known, locked up, commodity.

Either way, it's pretty tricky, and I don't make the big bucks for a reason!!

[DragonBladeSuns]

Goran is like manu Ginobli except better form on his jumper I hate the Nash comparison. Goran has potential to be a better playoff pg than Nash.

But Nash is better than goran.

[thamadkant]

I don't think Dragic would commit (why would he?) and I don't think Love would either (why would he?) so it would be a gamble both ways. Dragic would have to be assured he would get the 30% max or like $80 million over 4 years, or maybe even a 5 year deal worth over $100 to consider it I'd think.

I think the only way Bledsoe would agree to a S&T to a team like Milwaukee or Minnesota is if we held firm at 4/48 and he would rather get 4/63 going to one of those places.

Bledsoe has zero leverage at this point. To get the best deal possible he may have to sign with Milwaukee for like 4/52 and we will match. If they can dump Ilyasova they could give him the full max though, so he could do that and we could match or attempt a S&T but they really don't have very good assets.

I'm shocked that we are even thinking Dragic is close to a 20 million dollar a year contract after 1 good season.

Dragic is worth 12-14 max in my books... If everyone gets max contract based on one good season... There would be 50-60 players on 15+ million a year contracts...

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...
Until he can repeate what he did last season and helps suns get to the playoffs... I wouldn't dream of giving him over 12 million... Maybe Wolves may give him close to 14 if they trade for him.. Purely because no one wants to play there.

I think goran is so good.... He has an even better player efficiency rating than KJ and Nash not that means anything. But once Goran gets his free throw shooting % up and makes an allstar team he will get more calls and cash in more at the line. When goran played vs curry and had 34 he just took it to him and looked like an nba all first team guard.

Until he does it again... I'm sceptical and you should be too.

Isaiah Thomas put up 20/6 and top 5 PER Point guard... Did he get a MAX contraxt??

And comparing Dragic to KJ and Nash is a f$&@ing way too early like way way too early.
Those two are legendary PG for Suns and the entire league.... Legit stars and MVP type players.

[DragonBladeSuns]

I can only think of 2 PGs better than goran..... Steph curry and Chris Paul.... This last season.

[thamadkant]

Goran is like manu Ginobli except better form on his jumper I hate the Nash comparison. Goran has potential to be a better playoff pg than Nash.

But Nash is better than goran.

Goran is a smaller, dumber, less athletic Ginobili.

Ginobili maybe a flopper but at his prime was a stone cold killer 20/5/5 all round SG who can play PG/SF.

[DragonBladeSuns]

I'm shocked that we are even thinking Dragic is close to a 20 million dollar a year contract after 1 good season.

Dragic is worth 12-14 max in my books... If everyone gets max contract based on one good season... There would be 50-60 players on 15+ million a year contracts...

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...
Until he can repeate what he did last season and helps suns get to the playoffs... I wouldn't dream of giving him over 12 million... Maybe Wolves may give him close to 14 if they trade for him.. Purely because no one wants to play there.

I think goran is so good.... He has an even better player efficiency rating than KJ and Nash not that means anything. But once Goran gets his free throw shooting % up and makes an allstar team he will get more calls and cash in more at the line. When goran played vs curry and had 34 he just took it to him and looked like an nba all first team guard.

Until he does it again... I'm sceptical and you should be too.

Isaiah Thomas put up 20/6 and top 5 PER Point guard... Did he get a MAX contraxt??

And comparing Dragic to KJ and Nash is a f$&@ing way too early like way way too early.
Those two are legendary PG for Suns and the entire league.... Legit stars and MVP type players.

Dragic thought about his shot in 2012-2013 but tbh it was the crappy team he was on that year. Gortat trying to say that they miss Nash, and the fact that he tried to do to much and it ended up affecting his game. I think goran has confidence and has a better mindset now this 2013-2014 season he only had like 2 bad games..... That clippers game and a game towards the end of the year, but he has the skill set to be efficient year in and year out but will see.

[DragonBladeSuns]

Goran is like manu Ginobli except better form on his jumper I hate the Nash comparison. Goran has potential to be a better playoff pg than Nash.

But Nash is better than goran.

Goran is a smaller, dumber, less athletic Ginobili.

Ginobili maybe a flopper but at his prime was a stone cold killer 20/5/5 all round SG who can play PG/SF.

Goran is a better defender... Better form on his shot. But ye Manu was a stud I just think drag is a really similar player.