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Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#81 » by Sunsdeuce » Sat Sep 6, 2014 1:40 am

Blackification wrote:If Lebron and Paul weren't dicking around for weeks while everyone was getting paid someone might have been foolish enough to pay bledsoe a max deal. Too bad his agent was playing games with teams when it was prime time

Actually this is a very good point. Shows this guy Paul's lack of ability to actually be an agent.


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Post#82 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Sep 6, 2014 1:41 am

LukasBMW wrote:One more comment:

This REEKS of desperation by Bledsoes camp. It's actually quite funny.

Phoenix should tweet back: Come break bread with us! We want to negotiate. When can we meet?


A simple "Hey Paul, we'll bring the bread if you'll bring the Bledsoe" should suffice.
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Post#83 » by schnakenpopanz » Sat Sep 6, 2014 1:43 am

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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#84 » by LukasBMW » Sat Sep 6, 2014 3:50 am

Monroe officially signs the QO.

It looks like he wants out of Detroit. But Detroit could bench him and run with Smith and Drummond up front and lower his stats.

I'd trade a pick or maybe even two for him for a 1 year lease. Think of it as a 1 year test drive. We can try him at the 5. Tell him that he will get the chance to start and stuff stats. If he performs, I'll pay him a max deal.

He gets to showcase his talents and Detroit gets compensation before he walks.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Green/Archie
PJ/TJ/Marcus
Markieff/Plumlee/Tolliver
Monroe/Len

Only drawback is he cuts into Len and Plumlee's development.
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Post#85 » by carey » Sat Sep 6, 2014 4:03 am

LukasBMW wrote:Monroe officially signs the QO.

It looks like he wants out of Detroit. But Detroit could bench him and run with Smith and Drummond up front and lower his stats.

I'd trade a pick or maybe even two for him for a 1 year lease. Think of it as a 1 year test drive. We can try him at the 5. Tell him that he will get the chance to start and stuff stats. If he performs, I'll pay him a max deal.

He gets to showcase his talents and Detroit gets compensation before he walks.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Green/Archie
PJ/TJ/Marcus
Markieff/Plumlee/Tolliver
Monroe/Len

Only drawback is he cuts into Len and Plumlee's development.


Wouldn't have his bird rights so we can't go over the cap to sign him. It'll largely depend on what happens to Bledsoe and Dragic next Summer on what kind of deal we could afford to pay him. Whatever it is, it would have to fit under the cap. Aside from Dragic we have to figure out what to do with the Morris twins.
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Post#86 » by LukasBMW » Sat Sep 6, 2014 4:11 am

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LukasBMW wrote:Monroe officially signs the QO.

It looks like he wants out of Detroit. But Detroit could bench him and run with Smith and Drummond up front and lower his stats.

I'd trade a pick or maybe even two for him for a 1 year lease. Think of it as a 1 year test drive. We can try him at the 5. Tell him that he will get the chance to start and stuff stats. If he performs, I'll pay him a max deal.

He gets to showcase his talents and Detroit gets compensation before he walks.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Green/Archie
PJ/TJ/Marcus
Markieff/Plumlee/Tolliver
Monroe/Len

Only drawback is he cuts into Len and Plumlee's development.


Wouldn't have his bird rights so we can't go over the cap to sign him. It'll largely depend on what happens to Bledsoe and Dragic next Summer on what kind of deal we could afford to pay him. Whatever it is, it would have to fit under the cap. Aside from Dragic we have to figure out what to do with the Morris twins.


Still, if we can get him cheap enough, I'd love to test drive him and see if he is worth going max for. Is he just a 16/8 guy? Or is he capable of 20/10+ in the right situation? If it's just 16/8 and he wants a max, we let him walk. If it's 20/10+ and he thrives in our system, we should be willing to max him out and he should be willing to consider staying here.

It's also Blesdose QO insurance. Even if we only have room for 1 max contract and both Bledsoe and Monroe play great, we have the option of choosing who we want to keep.

It's worth two late 1st round picks or a mid first and a second if you ask me.
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Post#87 » by carey » Sat Sep 6, 2014 4:19 am

LukasBMW wrote:Still, if we can get him cheap enough, I'd love to test drive him and see if he is worth going max for. Is he just a 16/8 guy? Or is he capable of 20/10+ in the right situation? If it's just 16/8 and he wants a max, we let him walk. If it's 20/10+ and he thrives in our system, we should be willing to max him out and he should be willing to consider staying here.

It's also Blesdose QO insurance. Even if we only have room for 1 max contract and both Bledsoe and Monroe play great, we have the option of choosing who we want to keep.

It's worth two late 1st round picks or a mid first and a second if you ask me.


Cheap enough? You're talking decent draft picks on what most likely will be a 1 year rental. That isn't really cheap. Also, I'm not sure he's any better than Markieff Morris right now. He seems to be a bit better in the interior, but if Markieff makes similar strides to last season he could be better than Monroe because he can shoot too.

So you'd be spending draft picks, plus letting the Morris brothers go (can't pay all 3) in the hopes that Monroe is a vast improvement over Markieff and I'm not sure that he is.
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Post#88 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Sep 6, 2014 4:32 am

Yeah, you only look at Monroe as a FA next offseason - not in trade this season. See what Kieff and Mook can do: they're free. And we'll own their rights this summer. Besides, we'd only what Monroe if we could pair him with a rim-protecting floor-stretcher, and we're not sure we have one of those yet. We'll know more in a year. Patience.
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Post#89 » by Puff » Sat Sep 6, 2014 5:29 am

I may have missed something along the way but I do not think Lebron has ever mentioned that he was excited about playing alongside Kyrie Irving. It has long been rumored that Bledsoe and Lebron would eventually become teammates since they admire each other so much. Since Lebron is now the GM of the Cavaliers why not put together a trade of a maxed out Bledsoe for Kyrie Irving?

The Cavaliers could have waited until next summer and got Kevin Love as a free agent while keeping Wiggins. However Lebron just had to have Kevin Love this season. They could have retained the last 2 #1 picks in the draft and still landed Kevin Love via free agency next summer. Kevin Love was also very interested in getting out of Minnesota and joining Lebron. It certainly appears that Bledsoe wants out of Phoenix. Lebron surely expedited the Kevin Love move, why not the Bledsoe move. All his pieces will be in place.

This is the move to make if at all possible, IMO. It would give us a potentially great player that is 22 or 23 years old that could either be our franchise player or a player that we could easily move down the road. It is far better than letting Bledsoe basically walk for nothing or overpaying for him.
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Post#90 » by DRK » Sat Sep 6, 2014 5:33 am

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Post#91 » by SSOL » Sat Sep 6, 2014 5:47 am

lebron has said multiple times that he wants to play with Kyrie.
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Post#92 » by Puff » Sat Sep 6, 2014 6:10 am

SSOL wrote:lebron has said multiple times that he wants to play with Kyrie.


I guess I missed that.

Another plan would be Bledsoe for Rubio. I have thought that for a while. I also have read rumors that Minnesota likes Bledsoe.

I understand that Rubio wants the Max as well and he is not worth the Max either, at this point. I think we could make a trade of qualifying offers if both players agree. A change of scenery could be good for both of them.

Maybe Hornacek can teach Rubio how to shoot.

After next season we make our decision going forward.

When all is said and done I expect Bledsoe will remain a Sun, for one more year at least. It just is a mater of him accepting our offer or the QO. I guess we will know by October 1st or sooner.
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Post#93 » by Fo-Real » Sat Sep 6, 2014 6:22 am

GOD.... NO RUBIO.... I would rather have panda friend and crackhead stevie franchise both playing drunk and naked for an entire season than have puppy face whiney bitch Rubio play f or us.
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Post#94 » by RunDogGun » Sat Sep 6, 2014 6:43 am

Man this just smells like the Amare summer tour to get a max deal. What is next, is Bledsoe going to get a whole bunch of children to write letters to the PHX FO?

This is just bad business.
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Post#95 » by Puff » Sat Sep 6, 2014 7:09 am

Fo-Real wrote:GOD.... NO RUBIO.... I would rather have panda friend and crackhead stevie franchise both playing drunk and naked for an entire season than have puppy face whiney bitch Rubio play f or us.


Not surprised at your response. A lot of folks are not fans of Rubio. At one point he was the most wanted player in the world. That was before he played in Minnesota. On the world stage he and his team do just fine.

I just think a Dragic/Rubio back court could be a lot of fun to watch. A Thomas/Rubio could work as well. A Rubio Green would be fine too. Rubio is a pass first guy, all the guys I mentioned are scorers. Our ball movement last year was pretty pathetic, he would help that and he is a capable defender. A change in scenery may be just what is needed for Rubio. I also don't see any players that are realistically available that I would want prior to Rubio. I would let him play out his option and make our decision next summer based on results. I would not sign Rubio up for a long term deal at this point.

Unless we get an agreement on an extension with Bledsoe it appears that he has to be moved. We might even move him if we do sign an extension with him. The only question appears to be is who will he be traded for.
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Post#96 » by Ryu » Sat Sep 6, 2014 9:24 am

Ricky Rubio`s pre-NBA star status was grossly overhyped, which we could see in the last couple of years in Minny.
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Post#97 » by ShawnBronald » Sat Sep 6, 2014 2:18 pm

SSOL wrote:lebron has said multiple times that he wants to play with Kyrie.


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Post#98 » by King4Day » Sat Sep 6, 2014 2:49 pm

With the report that Monroe has signed his QO, that's only going to make Bledsoe feel better about doing the same. Sure he won't get as much and will risk injury, but this could be the start of a new trend.
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Post#99 » by NavLDO » Sat Sep 6, 2014 3:22 pm

DarkHawk wrote:With the report that Monroe has signed his QO, that's only going to make Bledsoe feel better about doing the same. Sure he won't get as much and will risk injury, but this could be the start of a new trend.


But isn't Monroe's about $2M more than Bledsoe? And Monroe doesn't have an injury history to worry about, either. Then add in the fact that Monroe is a talented 'big', and Bledsoe is just a PG, and those are three very good reasons that will give Bledsoe pause in signing his QO.

I, as most fans here are, just ready to move on. I wouldn't care if he waited until Sep 30 to sign his offer, had the circumstances leading up to it had been different, like practicing/working out with his teammates and showing a little commitment to the team/community, but the fact that he hightailed it out of PHX his first opportunity, and all this whining, complaining, 'woe-is-me' attitude, etc., just shows his true nature.

And those who feel that since LeBron asked PHX to break bread, that that indicates that Bledsoe actually wants to be here, I call BS. The ONLY reason LeBron said that is that they both know that PHX is the ONLY opportunity for Bledsoe to score a max deal. No other team has even hinted at the fact of being willing to pay Bledsoe. He hasn't received one max offer, and only the Suns and Sixers have the cash to pay Bledsoe, so why would he mention any other team when asking to break bread...we are his only option! So that statement means zilch, nada, in any semblance of "dedication" to the Suns or Phx. We are his only ticket to the show, as it were.
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Post#100 » by bwgood77 » Sat Sep 6, 2014 3:39 pm

Give it a month. Bledsoe will be a signed Sun in a month.
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