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Game 73: Portland TrailBlazers (45-25) @ Phoenix Suns (38-34)

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Re: Game 73: Portland TrailBlazers (45-25) @ Phoenix Suns (38-34) 

Post#81 » by In Len We Trust » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:55 am

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Hornacek does not like Goodwin. There is no other possible explanation. Down by 30 points and Hornacek puts in Price instead of Goodwin? It seems obvious to me Hornacek is not a fan of Goodwin. Goodwin has the shortest leash of anyone on the team too.


This is looking more and more like a fact every single game. I am convinced at this point that Archie and Jeff have a bad relationship.



I have a solution. How about we get rid of the one that is permanently holding the team and franchise back with bad coaching and keep the one that was getting screwed over?


I think it's just that he wanted him to be able to finish the game, so he waited until about the 8 minute mark.


It doesn't matter. He should still be playing way more minutes.
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Re: Game 73: Portland TrailBlazers (45-25) @ Phoenix Suns (38-34) 

Post#82 » by kennydorglas » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:58 am

Len with a broken nose? OH
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Re: Game 73: Portland TrailBlazers (45-25) @ Phoenix Suns (38-34) 

Post#83 » by DaleyBlind » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:00 am

Have a the dreamers waken up from their dreams of making the payoffs :lol: ? Have you lot come back to reality yet? :lol:

Or are we still in with a chance :roll:
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Re: Game 73: Portland TrailBlazers (45-25) @ Phoenix Suns (38-34) 

Post#84 » by bwgood77 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:05 am

In Len We Trust wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
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This is looking more and more like a fact every single game. I am convinced at this point that Archie and Jeff have a bad relationship.



I have a solution. How about we get rid of the one that is permanently holding the team and franchise back with bad coaching and keep the one that was getting screwed over?


I think it's just that he wanted him to be able to finish the game, so he waited until about the 8 minute mark.


It doesn't matter. He should still be playing way more minutes.


I agree about this game.
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Post#85 » by letsgosuns » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:10 am

Hard to believe this is the same team that beat the Rockets and Mavericks back to back a few games ago.
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Post#86 » by JTrain » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:25 am

I think (hope) we are trading the twins. The only question is, what to do with Bledsoe and/or Knight. Do the coaches think Knight or Archie can develop into a true point guard? I'm on the fence with Bledsoe. He is so inconsistent but at times it really does seem like he wants to win.

I say we go all in with Bledsoe or Knight and use the other in a trade to get a good PF. Go forward with one PG, Len, TJ, Wright, Archie and the new PF as the core. PJ is a good bench guy and maybe Gerald as a cheerleader/occasional offensive spark if he's very cheap.

Bring in some hard nosed assistants that can push these guys to the limit. Why is it every NBA team seems to have these big scary assistants and we have the shortest guy employed with the NBA (including floor wipers)? We need a bad cop to Horny's good cop. We also need more coherence in an offensive system, or somebody that can make the players run the system that's in place.
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Post#87 » by In Len We Trust » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:26 am

Hornatrash needs to be fired at the end of the season. At this point I hope we lose all of our games so we can get a slightly higher pick and more importantly it would give the front office an even more justifiable reason to fire him.
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Re: Game 73: Portland TrailBlazers (45-25) @ Phoenix Suns (38-34) 

Post#88 » by Calvin Klein » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:29 am

Wow. 2 games in one 5 page thread. Yeah, this season is over.
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Post#89 » by RunDogGun » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:30 am

I missed the game, I had suite tickets to the Wolves game. I didn't know the game was on NBAtv, so I'll watch it later when they replay it.

Man now even the fans are getting lazy, and just piggyback the previous game thread? :lol:

Jeff hates Goodwin? :lol: If that was true, he would never set foot on the court, and he would have been traded already. Moreover, he would have never stayed in the game the other night.

Len didn't rebound very well tonight, but I guess the hate for lack of rebounding only is reserved for Morris. :roll:

Sucked that Bullock missed all of his shots.
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Post#90 » by saintEscaton » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:33 am

If we somehow manage to make it above .500 we could possibly the worst Western team with a winning record in recent memory.
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Post#91 » by letsgosuns » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:47 am

This is a dark time for the organization. The team is filled with me first players who have attitude problems. Complete opposite of guys like Steve Nash and Grant Hill. The worst part is they are bad examples for guys like Len, Goodwin, and Warren. Plus now the Suns are going on the fifth straight year of no playoffs. That is tied for the longest drought since the 1970-75 seasons two years after the franchise came into existence.

Bottom line is this. Markieff Morris has been a member of the Suns for four of the five seasons of no playoffs. Tucker has been a part of it for three seasons. Marcus Morris for two and a half seasons. The Suns need these guys off the team. They are part of this losing culture. All three have off the court problems AND on the court problems. I would happily go into next season with Warren starting and Granger backing him up. Then have completely new power forwards. Trade Bledsoe and re-sign Knight or keep Bledsoe and let Knight go. No more dual point guard lineup. It will fail again if they do it. Gotta rebuild this team with the right players. The Morris brothers, Tucker, and I think at this point maybe even Bledsoe (unfortunately) are the WRONG players. And I believe Hornacek is the wrong coach as well.

The team has alienated its fan base with its embarrassingly terrible play and criticism of the fans. Besides the young guys, there are not really any likable players. This team is quickly becoming an afterthought in Arizona. It is all about the Cardinals now. Who would have thought that could ever happen. Hell the Diamondbacks are probably more popular than the Suns now too. I hope the Suns franchise does it right in the offseason because this season has been a disaster.
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Post#92 » by RunDogGun » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:02 am

Didn't Goowin get arrested this summer? I guess his off the court issues are ok. :roll:

I hope we lose some fans, mainly those that sit on their hands during games, or ones that only can say bad things about the team. Man five years missing the playoffs, some of you guys are so spoiled. Yet you'd love to be a GS fan, but those real fans went through seventeen years of missing the playoffs.

The Tucker hate is ridiculous. :crazy:
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Post#93 » by Mr-Al » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:15 am

letsgosuns wrote:This is a dark time for the organization. The team is filled with me first players who have attitude problems. Complete opposite of guys like Steve Nash and Grant Hill. The worst part is they are bad examples for guys like Len, Goodwin, and Warren. Plus now the Suns are going on the fifth straight year of no playoffs. That is tied for the longest drought since the 1970-75 seasons two years after the franchise came into existence.

Bottom line is this. Markieff Morris has been a member of the Suns for four of the five seasons of no playoffs. Tucker has been a part of it for three seasons. Marcus Morris for two and a half seasons. The Suns need these guys off the team. They are part of this losing culture. All three have off the court problems AND on the court problems. I would happily go into next season with Warren starting and Granger backing him up. Then have completely new power forwards. Trade Bledsoe and re-sign Knight or keep Bledsoe and let Knight go. No more dual point guard lineup. It will fail again if they do it. Gotta rebuild this team with the right players. The Morris brothers, Tucker, and I think at this point maybe even Bledsoe (unfortunately) are the WRONG players. And I believe Hornacek is the wrong coach as well.

The team has alienated its fan base with its embarrassingly terrible play and criticism of the fans. Besides the young guys, there are not really any likable players. This team is quickly becoming an afterthought in Arizona. It is all about the Cardinals now. Who would have thought that could ever happen. Hell the Diamondbacks are probably more popular than the Suns now too. I hope the Suns franchise does it right in the offseason because this season has been a disaster.


Agree with everything you said

Maybe see if you can get young talent with potential or a high lottery pick by trading some combo of Bled/Morri/Tucker

Maybe even get a tougher head coach, one that can motivate players better

run with

Knight
Goodwin
Warren
(someone we draft)
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Post#94 » by DirtyDez » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:27 am

If Bledsoe, Knight and Kieff are leading the team we'll be locked into purgatory. They're just talented enough to win enough games to keep you afloat but never a real threat to make noise in April or May. If you get a star and make Bledsoe/Kieff into complimentary players then it changes things but that won't happen. Best thing to do is restart the rebuilding process even though it would infuriate fans after b2b "winning" seasons (even though we have nothing to show for it). Your best players can't be low iq guys. Best case this current team turns into Melo/K-Mart/Iverson's Nuggets. Solid but not special.
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Post#95 » by letsgosuns » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:33 am

Goodwin's arrest was obviously not a good thing. However it was entirely different than Tucker and the Morris brothers' problems. He was arrested for disorderly conduct outside a skating rink for what seemed like ridiculous circumstances. Although I obviously do not know what happened so I have no idea. I do know for a fact that Tucker was arrested for super extreme dui and missed the team bus TWICE this year. The Morris brothers were being investigated for assault and if you believe what people say on the internet (I do not) it apparently was a pretty bad beat down they put on someone. Then take into account that Markieff is second in the league in technical fouls with 14 and Marcus is eighth in the league with 9 technical fouls. These guys are trouble makers.

I also do not know how anyone can consider Suns fans spoiled. Or really any Arizona sports fans. The state has only one major sports championship. Just the 2001 Diamondbacks team. The Suns have only been to the finals twice in nearly 50 years. I could care less about being a Golden State fan. The Suns still are 15th in attendance this season.

Markieff badmouthed the fans very strongly during a long rant after arguably the worst game a Suns team ever played. This is what Steve Nash had to say about the fans in his retirement letter: "The arena was always sold out and rocking. It was the time of my life. Thanks, Phoenix." If that is not a perfect example as to the sheer difference between a player you want to root for and a player you could care less about like Markieff, then I do not know what is.
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Post#96 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:06 am

Something big will happen in the offseason. Don't know what but something will


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Post#97 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:09 am

I have had Bledsoe's back the entire season, but I think he's gone. Also, I think Suns can get something good for him. His contract is actually pretty good IMO with cap rising.

What team would want him?


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Post#98 » by Saberestar » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:27 pm

letsgosuns wrote:This is a dark time for the organization. The team is filled with me first players who have attitude problems. Complete opposite of guys like Steve Nash and Grant Hill. The worst part is they are bad examples for guys like Len, Goodwin, and Warren. Plus now the Suns are going on the fifth straight year of no playoffs. That is tied for the longest drought since the 1970-75 seasons two years after the franchise came into existence.

Bottom line is this. Markieff Morris has been a member of the Suns for four of the five seasons of no playoffs. Tucker has been a part of it for three seasons. Marcus Morris for two and a half seasons. The Suns need these guys off the team. They are part of this losing culture. All three have off the court problems AND on the court problems. I would happily go into next season with Warren starting and Granger backing him up. Then have completely new power forwards. Trade Bledsoe and re-sign Knight or keep Bledsoe and let Knight go. No more dual point guard lineup. It will fail again if they do it. Gotta rebuild this team with the right players. The Morris brothers, Tucker, and I think at this point maybe even Bledsoe (unfortunately) are the WRONG players. And I believe Hornacek is the wrong coach as well.

The team has alienated its fan base with its embarrassingly terrible play and criticism of the fans. Besides the young guys, there are not really any likable players. This team is quickly becoming an afterthought in Arizona. It is all about the Cardinals now. Who would have thought that could ever happen. Hell the Diamondbacks are probably more popular than the Suns now too. I hope the Suns franchise does it right in the offseason because this season has been a disaster.

I want Tucker like a bench player ( around 20 minutes per game) on our team for the next few years....other tha that I agree with you.
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Post#99 » by NavLDO » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:26 pm

JTrain wrote:I think (hope) we are trading the twins. The only question is, what to do with Bledsoe and/or Knight. Do the coaches think Knight or Archie can develop into a true point guard? I'm on the fence with Bledsoe. He is so inconsistent but at times it really does seem like he wants to win.

I say we go all in with Bledsoe or Knight and use the other in a trade to get a good PF. Go forward with one PG, Len, TJ, Wright, Archie and the new PF as the core. PJ is a good bench guy and maybe Gerald as a cheerleader/occasional offensive spark if he's very cheap.

Bring in some hard nosed assistants that can push these guys to the limit. Why is it every NBA team seems to have these big scary assistants and we have the shortest guy employed with the NBA (including floor wipers)? We need a bad cop to Horny's good cop. We also need more coherence in an offensive system, or somebody that can make the players run the system that's in place.


OK, 1st, I've got to say this, but Portland, with that win, is guaranteed a playoff spot. Anyone happen to notice how many games they've won? Yep--48, just like us last year. So 7-8 games away from the season's end, and 48 wins has already clinched; last year, 48 wins got us diddlysquat and left us a game out. Ugh.

OK, so back to you JTrain. I've been very supportive of the Morri, but at this point, I almost agree. It's not that they are bad players; to me it seems the chemistry on the team is just off, and let's face it, the Morri are the most influential players on the team, IMO. I think the Morri to Philly would be a good fit.

And then with Knight/Bledsoe? I don't know. I DO know that I don't want to lose Knight for zero return, so I think they will match just about any offer given. The problem is, is that he's looked like a shell of his former self on the Bucks; simply put, he's been a bad player overall. So how much do you spend on a guy like that?

And Bledsoe? Yeah, next year and the following years after that will make Bledsoe's contract look like a pittance, but I that doesn't mean he's playing to the level of a $14Mish player--he's just too inconsistent, so who's going to take on another 4 years of that?

But I do think the team needs a shake-up, so the best option probably is to trade the Morri, keep Knight and Bled; I'd play Bledsoe at the 2 to limit both turnovers, and because he can guard about any 2 that an opposing team would throw out there. He's not perfect, in fact far from it, but D is his most attractive part of his game. Plus, I think he's a good enough of a shooter to play the 2.

Today, this is what I'd like to see our depth to look like on day one of next season--basically letting Green, Price, and Thornton, walk, and trade the Morri for a PF or C

Knight/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Tucker/Bogdanovic(??)
Warren/Granger/Bullock
Wright/FA, Trade, or Rook/Alec Brown
Len/FA, Trade or Rook/Barron

I'd try to wrangle Bogdanovic away from the Euro league, so he can establish some sense of chemistry with the team. And bring in Alec Brown--I mean, if they are going to give meaningful minutes to Price every night, then Brown should easily win some game time But assuming we can bring them both in, that leaves us 3 slots; otherwise, it's 5 slots to fill. We'll bring in 2 draft picks, then, trade the Morri for a solid starting PF or C. Then worst case scenario, we have our minimum 13.

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Post#100 » by irish22022 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:53 pm

Even when the twins go a combined 18 for 24 and pull 20 boards down I STILL hate them. I like them in that moment, but not for our team. Len is a great protector, but he doesn't bring consistent inside scoring. And the twins are pretty much only shooting 12-25 feet away. It just doesn't make sense. Our 3-5 positions are 6'10'' plus and we can't score in the paint.

And as some of us have noted, the organization really stepped backwards with bledsoe. Tough to blame them. They wanted youth. But the guards in this NBA that excel are ones that can dribble and have very high bball IQs. Paint it however you want, post a bunch after a good game of his, whatever: he can't dribble and he doesn't have high bball IQ.

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