Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

thamadkant · Post #81 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:04 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Love is a big market guy. He will end up in LA, Bos, or NY

Huh?

What is the definition of a "big market guy"?

Cousins
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Howard
Rose

Are those guys big market guys?

He agreed to sign in Cleveland when he could of asked to be traded to a "big" market team.

All all-stars "big market guys", with the exception of the rare breed like Duncan? and other HOF players like Malone, Robinson etc?

AtheJ415 · Post #82 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:06 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I said this last night. I think Love will be signed and traded. There is no way I see Cleveland re-signing him AND Thompson. They both want max contracts. Even if Thompson gets a near max deal, you do not invest that kind of money in a starter and a bench player that play the same position. Plus four max contracts for Lebron, Irving, Love, and Thompson leaves no money for anything else.
I think he just leaves for nothing. With the new CBA you can't do a 5 year contract sign and trade so really the only way it's a s&t is if it's to a team without cap space.

But what if the Suns hypothetically trade the Morris brothers and Tucker for him? It benefits both teams. Suns get him while dumping those contracts and they still have a lot of cap space to get another big free agent. Cleveland lets him go and gets bench depth in return. Helps both teams.

We don't need to dump those contracts. We could easily dump those contracts for nearly any team, so no it doesn't help us. Because by dumping them for a guy we could sign anyways, we lose the opportunity cost of trading them to teams who would want them (Sacramento or NYK for instance) for something else of value, like picks.

jcsunsfan · Post #83 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:06 pm

Dr Manute wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Love is a big market guy. He will end up in LA, Bos, or NY

New York Big Three:

Carmello - Love - Bledsoe

OK. I am not trying to be mean or anything here. Is Bledsoe saavy enough to learn the triangle offense?

thamadkant · Post #84 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:07 pm

If Love leaves Cleveland without compensation... it means they traded Wiggins for a 1 year rental which resulted in Love missing the Finals anyways. Had they won the finals, it would of been worth it..... but 2nd place is not worth losing Wiggins (judging by the way he played last season)

jcsunsfan · Post #85 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:18 pm

1UPZ wrote:If Love leaves Cleveland without compensation... it means they traded Wiggins for a 1 year rental which resulted in Love missing the Finals anyways. Had they won the finals, it would of been worth it..... but 2nd place is not worth losing Wiggins (judging by the way he played last season)

But if going after Love was a condition that LeBron had for signing in Cleveland, it was worth it.

thamadkant · Post #86 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:23 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
1UPZ wrote:If Love leaves Cleveland without compensation... it means they traded Wiggins for a 1 year rental which resulted in Love missing the Finals anyways. Had they won the finals, it would of been worth it..... but 2nd place is not worth losing Wiggins (judging by the way he played last season)

But if going after Love was a condition that LeBron had for signing in Cleveland, it was worth it.

But James is a FA again...

I have this sneaking suspicion, Wade will sign with Cavs.
Lebron, Irving, Wade, Thompson, Mozgov....
Lebron will probably try to court some veteran shooters if JR Smith leaves though.

LukasBMW · Post #87 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:26 pm

If Ellis signs with the Heat and they resign Dragic, they could be sneaky good next year.

Dragic
Ellis
Deng
Bosh
Whiteside

Damkac · Post #88 » by **Damkac** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:27 pm

Bledsoe, Len, 13th for Cousins
Morri, Tucker for capspace
Sign Love
8-)

Sunsss · Post #89 » by **Sunsss** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:34 pm

Sup guys? I don't want Love.

Damkac · Post #90 » by **Damkac** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:42 pm

I want trading for 4th pick and rebuild but can't blame people who hopes for Love or Boogie. I just have a naive dream of Suns drafting a superstar that will spend his entire career on the Suns and will retire as a Suns legend

tdjm · Post #91 » by **tdjm** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:58 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I said this last night. I think Love will be signed and traded. There is no way I see Cleveland re-signing him AND Thompson. They both want max contracts. Even if Thompson gets a near max deal, you do not invest that kind of money in a starter and a bench player that play the same position. Plus four max contracts for Lebron, Irving, Love, and Thompson leaves no money for anything else.
I think he just leaves for nothing. With the new CBA you can't do a 5 year contract sign and trade so really the only way it's a s&t is if it's to a team without cap space.

But what if the Suns hypothetically trade the Morris brothers and Tucker for him? It benefits both teams. Suns get him while dumping those contracts and they still have a lot of cap space to get another big free agent. Cleveland lets him go and gets bench depth in return. Helps both teams.

It doesn't help Cleveland at all, since the only compelling reason they have to let Love go is to avoid slamming face first into a gigantic tax bill. Taking on 5.5 + 5 + 8 of Tucker and Morrises is very counterproductive to any hypothetical goals they have here when that's just 2 milli less than Love's ~20.

Sign and trade only used to net you a big return when you could sign and trade to teams over the cap, who couldn't afford to outright ink the guy in free agency (see: Nash to Lakers). This is no longer legal.

Cavs would be more inclined to take on something like Tucker + a couple of weak picks (a player they can use, plus a suppressed payroll and potential cheap rotation players/trade chips down the line when those picks convey), since if Love was dead set on going to Phoenix they aren't getting **** for him anyways.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #92 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:04 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613844655210430465[/tweet]

thamadkant · Post #93 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:04 pm

If I was Love... I'd sign a 4 year 100 million dollar contract... NOW... better than a 2 year one, if he doesnt go back to his 25/14 days, he wont get anything more than 20 million, since he is a defensive liability.

Maybe a 4 year 100 million dollar contract, with 4th year as player option.

theSUNalsoRISES · Post #94 » by **theSUNalsoRISES** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:06 pm

Damkac wrote:I want trading for 4th pick and rebuild but can't blame people who hopes for Love or Boogie. I just have a naive dream of Suns drafting a superstar that will spend his entire career on the Suns and will retire as a Suns legend

That would be the dream. As a fan I'd prefer to win a ship with warren Goodwin keif & Len ....aka "our guys" but if we end up with a combination of Love, cousins or Aldridge with Bledsoe and of course Joakim Noah and win ...you'll forget it real soon..case in point Cleveland loves lebron then hates him now absolutely love him...winning forgives all..

LukasBMW · Post #95 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:08 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613844655210430465[/tweet]

Sounds like they are getting ready for LMA to walk.

LukasBMW · Post #96 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:10 pm

McDonough is going to be known as either a complete genius or a complete moron shortly.

He is really the only GM not afraid to make moves that usually would be limited to NBA2k.

I'm not sure how this summer will pan out, but it sure seems like anything could happen.

We might trade up
We might try to sign or sign/trade for Love
We might try to max or sign/trade for Tobias Harris
We might try to grab Cousins
We might trade Bledsoe
We might...

Sure seems like nothing is off limits.

Post #97 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:31 pm

Wow, I just came here to mention the Batum trade...I read about it from a Blazers poster elsewhere who also thinks that means they are prepared to let LMA go (or expect it). They are breaking down for a rebuild. Probably smart for the west, and perhaps frustrating for Lillard, but at least he is really young, and if they keep Matthews they still have their backcourt for the future.

thamadkant · Post #98 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:32 pm

LukasBMW wrote:McDonough is going to be known as either a complete genius or a complete moron shortly.

He is really the only GM not afraid to make moves that usually would be limited to NBA2k.

I'm not sure how this summer will pan out, but it sure seems like anything could happen.

We might trade up
We might try to sign or sign/trade for Love
We might try to max or sign/trade for Tobias Harris
We might try to grab Cousins
We might trade Bledsoe
We might...

Sure seems like nothing is off limits.

McD keeps me refreshing RealGM, BSOTS, ValleyoftheSuns, Hoopshype, Arizonasports, Arizonasportfans, Reddit/r/Suns everyday!
Suns may not be winning much games, but rumors of transactions and McD's history keeps me intrigued.

letsgosuns · Post #99 » by **letsgosuns** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:35 pm

If and when the Suns make a trade, I think it will come out of nowhere and be something no one has spoken about before. That is how the NBA usually works and especially Ryan McDonough. The rumored trades basically never materialize and the ones that do happen, chances are no one ever knew about them prior to the deal going through.

Damkac · Post #100 » by **Damkac** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:36 pm

theSUNalsoRISES wrote:
Damkac wrote:I want trading for 4th pick and rebuild but can't blame people who hopes for Love or Boogie. I just have a naive dream of Suns drafting a superstar that will spend his entire career on the Suns and will retire as a Suns legend

That would be the dream. As a fan I'd prefer to win a ship with warren Goodwin keif & Len ....aka "our guys" but if we end up with a combination of Love, cousins or Aldridge with Bledsoe and of course Joakim Noah and win ...you'll forget it real soon..case in point Cleveland loves lebron then hates him now absolutely love him...winning forgives all..

Remember every great team started with a guy they drafted. Boston wouldn't get Garnet and Allen if they didn't draft Pierce. Heat wouldn't get LeBron and Bosh if they didn't draft Wade. Is there any championship team that didn't drafted at least one of it's top3 players?