Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[TeamTragic]

Gallinari/Faried for Kieff/Tucker/pick

I think Kieff is much better overall than Faried. Rebounding and attitude wise are the only two categories in which he has Kieff beat but everything else, Kieff and him are the same or Kieff has a huge advantage.

Attitude is a big deal. No talent in the world can evolve with a **** attitude.

[Qwigglez]

I don't think we should trade Kieff for Gallinari. We could probably do some kind of three team trade where we trade Tucker to a contender for an expiring contract. Something like this...
Suns get Gallinari
Wizards get PJ Tucker
Nuggets get Martell Webster & Cavs 1st

[gaspar]

There's no way in hell that Gallinari is a better PF than Keef. Just NO!

[Qwigglez]

I would do Kieff/Mirza(or Tucker) for Gallinari/Faried though.

[Fo-Real]

Gallo is not a pf, if you can do kief tucker plus for gallo and faried, maybe but just pf kief for sf Gallo....no

[LV-Suns]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

[bwgood77]

There's no way in hell that Gallinari is a better PF than Keef. Just NO!

I agree, and I don't want to trade him unless there is a problem and I don't think there really will be, but if there was, that is the only reason I would do it..and the PF depth is weak, so if we did it, and DG got injured, not good. That contract is great for the production...probably one of the better ones in the league.

[Revived]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Wtf a bunch of NBA players can't afford fake ids? Really?

[LV-Suns]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Wtf a bunch of NBA players can't afford fake ids? Really?

Or everyone know who Jahlil Okafor actually is haha

[bwgood77]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Interesting. Personally that doesn't matter to me...he is on his off time and in Vegas. I might be doing the same. But sometimes guys with DUI's might think about changing their habits if it impacts their job (and it has with him).

[LV-Suns]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Interesting. Personally that doesn't matter to me...he is on his off time and in Vegas. I might be doing the same. But sometimes guys with DUI's might think about changing their habits if it impacts their job (and it has with him).

He wasn't out of control or anything. Him, his few friends and girls had a cabana and enjoying a little bit of Vegas. He is definitely a big guy. But I was shocked how out of shape he looked for a NBA player, that was almost Diaw esque.

[Qwigglez]

^I think we all know there real age. Or at least LV-Suns does, and I'm confident he would do the right thing had he seen fake ID's on those guys.

[AtheJ415]

There's no way in hell that Gallinari is a better PF than Keef. Just NO!

Well, he dropped multiple career highs playing the 4 in the 2nd half of this season (40 and 47 respectively). And I think he's better offensively. Kieff has a better post game, but that's it. Galinari's the better shooter, more versatile scorer, can pass much better, has a better handle. Neither rebound or defend well. Galinari can play the 3 also, which adds value. Kieff can't really play the 5 even though we stuck him there at times last year.

I think you could argue Kieff with his contract and being a few months younger makes him the guy you want. But Galinari is the player with more potential imo, and he's also the better fit.

I'm pretty torn on it. That's why I'd just trade Tucker and keep Kieff. Brightside said we still have about 4.5-5.5 to use in a trade. Add Tucker's 5 and that should come close to Galinari's salary.

There's no question to me that for a team wanting to win in the long-run Tucker is the worst value of the 3 players in question. And we have the other assets to get him without dropping Kieff. Even if you trade a pick, it's for a 26 year old, so that's not really a big deal.

[bwgood77]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Interesting. Personally that doesn't matter to me...he is on his off time and in Vegas. I might be doing the same. But sometimes guys with DUI's might think about changing their habits if it impacts their job (and it has with him).

He wasn't out of control or anything. Him, his few friends and girls had a cabana and enjoying a little bit of Vegas. He is definitely a big guy. But I was shocked how out of shape he looked for a NBA player, that was almost Diaw esque.

Honestly, if it was me, I would have said "not worried about your next contract I guess? Taking the Diaw/Oliver Miller approach in a contract year?"

and if he said "who do you think you are?" I would have responded with "A Suns fan who cares about our players taking their high paying jobs seriously".

[Revived]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Interesting. Personally that doesn't matter to me...he is on his off time and in Vegas. I might be doing the same. But sometimes guys with DUI's might think about changing their habits if it impacts their job (and it has with him).

He wasn't out of control or anything. Him, his few friends and girls had a cabana and enjoying a little bit of Vegas. He is definitely a big guy. But I was shocked how out of shape he looked for a NBA player, that was almost Diaw esque.

Tucker played most of last season out of shape. I think quite a few of us noticed it and commented on it in the first couple months of the season but then later we had bigger things to worry about so it was kind of forgotten or he worked himself into shape.

[AtheJ415]

Interesting. Personally that doesn't matter to me...he is on his off time and in Vegas. I might be doing the same. But sometimes guys with DUI's might think about changing their habits if it impacts their job (and it has with him).

He wasn't out of control or anything. Him, his few friends and girls had a cabana and enjoying a little bit of Vegas. He is definitely a big guy. But I was shocked how out of shape he looked for a NBA player, that was almost Diaw esque.

Honestly, if it was me, I would have said "not worried about your next contract I guess? Taking the Diaw/Oliver Miller approach in a contract year?"

and if he said "who do you think you are?" I would have responded with "A Suns fan who cares about our players taking their high paying jobs seriously".

He probably doesn't see himself as in a contract year. His 3rd season isn't guaranteed, but I bet he, like many players, has such a large ego that he doesn't believe there's any chance he's cut.

[AtheJ415]

Screw it. We should sign Matt "Bottoms" Bonner. Hand down man down!

[bwgood77]

Well, Tucker does add value, and I do think he will have more trade value at the deadline, when he WILL be in better shape from playing and contenders may be looking for a better defender, so I'd hang onto him for now unless a deal blew us over. Plus, we don't know how good our depth is at the 3. Sure, we have Weems, but who knows how good he will be and I'm not sure I trust him or Warren guarding Durant.

[AtheJ415]

Well, Tucker does add value, and I do think he will have more trade value at the deadline, when he WILL be in better shape from playing and contenders may be looking for a better defender, so I'd hang onto him for now unless a deal blew us over. Plus, we don't know how good our depth is at the 3. Sure, we have Weems, but who knows how good he will be and I'm not sure I trust him or Warren guarding Durant.

For me, I just don't see Tucker getting us anyone all that good (relative to Galinari) at the deadline, although I am perfectly happy with him on the team this season with his contract. But I am a real fan of Weems and Bogdan, while admittedly unproven, I believe they're easy rotation guys for us and Bogdan in particular I see alot of potential with, so I don't want Tucker here next year unless it's in a much-diminished role. That said, I'd do the trade only if I had some idea of what Galo's number is in FA. maybe negotiate a wink wink deal so long as his agent isn't Fagan or Lebron's jersey salesman. If he's just a 1 year rental or a guy we have to max then Tucker has more value, bc we could keep his $5 mil on the books next year and still go after a Horford-type game changer, whereas a huge contract for Galo costs us that opportunity. It would depend if he's smart enough to realize our system and training staff is the best place for him to fit in.

But I'm also more concerned with winning 2-3 years from now than making the playoffs this year, so I don't really value Tucker anywhere near what many here would. If it were up to me, we'd be adding whoever falls out in Houston between Montrezl and Christian Wood, and another league minimum PG age 26 or under who had the potential to at least be a mid-term backup (maybe that's McConnell, but I'd see who gets cut across Summer League first), and trading Tucker for a future first or another young player I liked if someone would offer it.

[phrazbit]

On a random note.. PJ Tucker was at the pool that I worked at today drinking all day

The whole sixers team were there too, too bad none of them were 21 to go up to the adult only pool.

Wtf a bunch of NBA players can't afford fake ids? Really?

Yeah... famous athletes, of freakish size... traveling in large packs... for sure the kinds of people you'd expect to be fake ID consumers.