Suns find themselves in a pickle: Moving Markieff Morris

[TASTIC]

OK. Here is my suggestion:

Kieff, PJ, and Price for DMo and Lawson

This is assuming that the Rockets are done with Lawson and want to dump his $12 million per year for his absolutely horrible play so far. They take Kieff to play in Dmo's role because both of their pf's are often injured and Kieff has been durable. Price has been playing well and adds a vet leadership presence their locker room needs right now.

The Suns do it because DMo is the perfect pf for their system. He can shoot, post up, and rebound. They trust their training staff to keep him healthy. Don't want Lawson, but its the cost of doing business.

Make it a 3-teamer for a team that could use a starting PG.

Lawson to the Knicks
Markieff + Calderon to the Rockets (they can then start Bev again)
D-Mo + Galloway to the Suns

We don't overly need Galloway - has to be him or Early to make salaries work.

[bwgood77]

OK. Here is my suggestion:

Kieff, PJ, and Price for DMo and Lawson

This is assuming that the Rockets are done with Lawson and want to dump his $12 million per year for his absolutely horrible play so far. They take Kieff to play in Dmo's role because both of their pf's are often injured and Kieff has been durable. Price has been playing well and adds a vet leadership presence their locker room needs right now.

The Suns do it because DMo is the perfect pf for their system. He can shoot, post up, and rebound. They trust their training staff to keep him healthy. Don't want Lawson, but its the cost of doing business.

Make it a 3-teamer for a team that could use a starting PG.

Lawson to the Knicks
Markieff + Calderon to the Rockets (they can then start Bev again)
D-Mo + Galloway to the Suns

We don't overly need Galloway - has to be him or Early to make salaries work.

That's one of your better ideas, though I'm not sure if NY would want Lawson or not.

[GetYourPHX]

Markieff to the Raptors for Bruno and Pat Pat.

McD liked Bruno in the draft and Pat Pat fits well here.

Just get rid of the guy.

[TeamTragic]

OK. Here is my suggestion:

Kieff, PJ, and Price for DMo and Lawson

This is assuming that the Rockets are done with Lawson and want to dump his $12 million per year for his absolutely horrible play so far. They take Kieff to play in Dmo's role because both of their pf's are often injured and Kieff has been durable. Price has been playing well and adds a vet leadership presence their locker room needs right now.

The Suns do it because DMo is the perfect pf for their system. He can shoot, post up, and rebound. They trust their training staff to keep him healthy. Don't want Lawson, but its the cost of doing business.

Make it a 3-teamer for a team that could use a starting PG.

Lawson to the Knicks
Markieff + Calderon to the Rockets (they can then start Bev again)
D-Mo + Galloway to the Suns

We don't overly need Galloway - has to be him or Early to make salaries work.

Markieff to the Raptors for Bruno and Pat Pat.

McD liked Bruno in the draft and Pat Pat fits well here.

Just get rid of the guy.

Both trade ideas sound great. This needs to happen ASAP.

[kennydorglas]

Markieff to the Raptors for Bruno and Pat Pat.

McD liked Bruno in the draft and Pat Pat fits well here.

Just get rid of the guy.

They're starting Luis Scola at 4. This trade makes sense...
But I doubt Ujiri would give up on Caboclo.

[Cutter]

Based on some of the trade proposals I've read, I think posters on this board are still over valuing Markieff.

[Cutter]

I think a reasonable comparison for Markieff is Thaddeus Young. Similar stats, yet Young is not a thug and doesn't have a bad attitude. And unlike Markieff, Young is trustworthy and will give all to them team.

Young has been traded twice recently.

Trade1:
Sixers trade: Thaddeus Young
Sixers receive: Luc Mah Bute, Alexy Shved, a late first from the Cavs.

This is about all players like Young, and Markieff, are worth. Unfortunately Kieff has a ton more baggage and is worth even less.

Trade2

Minnesota: Thaddeus Young
Minnesota receives: old, washed up Kevin Garnett.

Thaddeus Young is a decent player who has not been worth a whole lot in trade. Kieff is a similar player, but has so many negatives it is hard to list them all. Kieff will not get the Suns very much in trade.

I think anyone who thinks the Suns should hold onto him until he "rebuilds his value" is not being realistic.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I don't think we can make playoffs if we trade Markieff and Tucker for D-Mo (he's no gaurantee to be back anytime soon).

And in another thread someone said F--- No to adding Weems and Goodwin for Dwight Howard, so not sure if our fans would do the first deal if they wouldn't do Howard.

[bwgood77]

Markieff to the Raptors for Bruno and Pat Pat.

McD liked Bruno in the draft and Pat Pat fits well here.

Just get rid of the guy.

They're starting Luis Scola at 4. This trade makes sense...
But I doubt Ujiri would give up on Caboclo.

Definitely not. Now he is only like 6 months from being two years away.

[bwgood77]

I don't think we can make playoffs if we trade Markieff and Tucker for D-Mo (he's no gaurantee to be back anytime soon).

And in another thread someone said F--- No to adding Weems and Goodwin for Dwight Howard, so not sure if our fans would do the first deal if they wouldn't do Howard.

I'm not entirely sure why so many people are SO high on D-Mo. He hasn't done much. I'd prefer T-Jones definitely.

[Cutter]

I haven't watched T-Jones very much, but I read a lot of complaints about him going ISO a lot over on Clutchfans.

[bwgood77]

I haven't watched T-Jones very much, but I read a lot of complaints about him going ISO a lot over on Clutchfans.

I don't watch them enough, and in theory, D-Mo sounds better, but from looking at box scores regularly, Jones has been much better...he can hit 3s, block shots, etc. Those two things to me are pretty big....I'd like someone to move the ball and not do iso, but Kieff doesn't hit many 3s or block many shots...Jones is better at those things, so a little iso wouldn't concern me much.

[LukasBMW]

At this point, I'd swap Keef for Thad Young and be done with it.

Didn't we almost snag him from Philly at one point?

[Cutter]

15 games into the season and Kieff has had one good game (Spurs), and just played another inefficient game against the Pelicans at home and shot 36% which is extreme inefficiency. In my OP I painted a scenario where Suns could be forced to attach a draft pick to Kieff in order to move him for another talented player, like Ryan Anderson. The reactionaries on this board said no way, Kieff will improve his trade value given time to play. Maybe he will. Kieff is basically an average PF in this league who can have an occasional beastmode game, but is really an average player in the league.

[SarcasticSun]

Should have traded him at the same time we traded his brother, would have gotten at the worst a mid first round draft pick out of him.

Now..I don't know. I think we have to hold him until he starts to actually play at 100%. Once he realizes he's only hurting himself and his value by not giving 100%, he will pick it up. But this is Kieff, who knows when, if ever, he will realize that.

[Qwigglez]

I think a reasonable comparison for Markieff is Thaddeus Young. Similar stats, yet Young is not a thug and doesn't have a bad attitude. And unlike Markieff, Young is trustworthy and will give all to them team.

Young has been traded twice recently.

Trade1:
Sixers trade: Thaddeus Young
Sixers receive: Luc Mah Bute, Alexy Shved, a late first from the Cavs.

This is about all players like Young, and Markieff, are worth. Unfortunately Kieff has a ton more baggage and is worth even less.

Trade2

Minnesota: Thaddeus Young
Minnesota receives: old, washed up Kevin Garnett.

Thaddeus Young is a decent player who has not been worth a whole lot in trade. Kieff is a similar player, but has so many negatives it is hard to list them all. Kieff will not get the Suns very much in trade.

I think anyone who thinks the Suns should hold onto him until he "rebuilds his value" is not being realistic.

Young was an empty stat guy for most of his career. I'll admit, he's surprising me so far this year averaging over 8 boards a game. As far as the trades go, Sixers were/are hording picks. They were trading everyone for nothing. Minnesota traded him because he was taking minutes from their young prospects plus he was in a contract year so they weren't gonna keep him anyway.

I think I know what you're really saying though and I like it... trade Kieff for Young.
Yes it make a ton of sense. Young plays fast ball, and has shown this year that he can even rebound. The Nets offense revolves around a plodder in Brook Lopez, so Kieff playing in a slower paced system should work out.

We can do Kieff/Archie/Weems for Young/Bojan

[bwgood77]

I think a reasonable comparison for Markieff is Thaddeus Young. Similar stats, yet Young is not a thug and doesn't have a bad attitude. And unlike Markieff, Young is trustworthy and will give all to them team.

Young has been traded twice recently.

Trade1:
Sixers trade: Thaddeus Young
Sixers receive: Luc Mah Bute, Alexy Shved, a late first from the Cavs.

This is about all players like Young, and Markieff, are worth. Unfortunately Kieff has a ton more baggage and is worth even less.

Trade2

Minnesota: Thaddeus Young
Minnesota receives: old, washed up Kevin Garnett.

Thaddeus Young is a decent player who has not been worth a whole lot in trade. Kieff is a similar player, but has so many negatives it is hard to list them all. Kieff will not get the Suns very much in trade.

I think anyone who thinks the Suns should hold onto him until he "rebuilds his value" is not being realistic.

Young was an empty stat guy for most of his career. I'll admit, he's surprising me so far this year averaging over 8 boards a game. As far as the trades go, Sixers were/are hording picks. They were trading everyone for nothing. Minnesota traded him because he was taking minutes from their young prospects plus he was in a contract year so they weren't gonna keep him anyway.

I think I know what you're really saying though and I like it... trade Kieff for Young.
Yes it make a ton of sense. Young plays fast ball, and has shown this year that he can even rebound. The Nets offense revolves around a plodder in Brook Lopez, so Kieff playing in a slower paced system should work out.

We can do Kieff/Archie/Weems for Young/Bojan

I used to want Young, but I think you cannot have more than one guy who can't shoot from the outside in your frontcourt. He is shooting 11% from 3 this year. It sucks, because every time I think of a guy who might be worth trading Kieff for, I look at his #s, and they are not all that impressive. Just looked at Patrick Patterson's too and they are not terribly impressive to say the least.

I think right now we still hang onto him for a bit.

[Safety Pickle]

I haven't watched T-Jones very much, but I read a lot of complaints about him going ISO a lot over on Clutchfans.

I don't watch them enough, and in theory, D-Mo sounds better, but from looking at box scores regularly, Jones has been much better...he can hit 3s, block shots, etc. Those two things to me are pretty big....I'd like someone to move the ball and not do iso, but Kieff doesn't hit many 3s or block many shots...Jones is better at those things, so a little iso wouldn't concern me much.

Well I don't even think D-Mo has played at all this season so you can't really compare their box scores. D-Mo has a much more polished offensive game and is pretty good with his back to basket. Between the 2, I'd rather have someone that can get their own shot off. We already have 2 offensive duds in the starting lineup (Tucker/Chandler), if we take away another scoring threat it's going to put too much pressure on Bled and Knight. Also their 3pt% were nearly identical last year (37% vs 35%) so that's a wash

[BobbieL]

Just.
Trade.
Him.

He is a negative on the court. His shot is not as good. He doesn't board, he doesn't defend. He picks up dumb fouls. He just acts like he doesn't give a crap.

If the Magic would trade Frye for him, I do it

I don't care - just trade him already

[Cutter]

A great SF would be Nic Batum. He's playing great for the Hornets, but like I stated in the OP we would need to attach an asset to Kieff for Hornets to consider trading Batum.

Suns trade: Kieff and a protected 1st
Suns get: Nic Batum

Not really sure why Hornets trade Batum. They are currently sitting at 8th in the east conference and pushing for the playoffs.

Suns of course would dump Kieff, and gladly pay a premium to do so.