Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[Jdiddy701]

It's sad Archie and Booker are only getting minutes because of players going down. Archie not getting minutes over Price is insane.


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[AtheJ415]

Suns' Ronnie Price has elected to undergo surgery on aggravated bone chip in right big toe, league sources tell Yahoo. Expected out 3 weeks.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/687772567684386816

Suns are tanking!

He actually helps us lose. He's below replacement level. But yeah, I will be really happy to see Archie get more minutes.

[AtheJ415]

TJ, Knight, cavs pick for Gordon Hayward. Like me most of us are high on warren but Hayward and Booker at 2 and 3 sounds so wonderful and right

I'd do this.
Bled/Booker/Hayward sounds great. Booker doesn't have the best handles right now but I think he'll improve, and Hayward possesses pretty good ball handling skills to where Bled doesn't have to carry all PG duties. This would open up the lane for Bled to slash and then hit Booker/Hayward on the wings for the dish out if needed.

Imagine then getting Simmons in the draft... now we're talking

Hayward is really damn good. And I remember a lot scoffing at the idea of him getting a max. If only we'd learn from that and be a little more patient with our own 24 year old. Just saying.

[AtheJ415]

Trading that pick really highlights our desire to go all in on this season, doesn't it?

2016 plan: Bledsoe, Knight, Aldridge, Chandler

2016 alternative (rebuild, never really an option): Bledsoe (injured), Booker, Warren, Len, Ennis, 2x top 5 picks in the 2016 draft.

2016 reality: Bledsoe (injured), Knight (SG), Booker (SG), Chandler (C), Len (C), Warren, 1x top 5 pick in the 2016 draft.

Not really. If we wanted to go all in the way many suggest, we'd have traded that pick for a vet 27 or 28 year old, instead of a 24 year old. That was easily a rebuild while winning trade, not a "go all in" to win trade.

We were acquiring a near-all star at a position/role that was, on paper, tailor made to his strengths. Not sure what relevance age has.

Exactly, so it was both. Age has every bit of relevance to a team that is rebuilding. A team that wants to win now simply doesn't care about it much at all unless it's a tie-breaker. You can't simply ignore acquiring a young guy as irrelevant.

Hell, if we were trying to win now with no other consideration, we'd have moved Warren and the Booker pick for vets who filled more of our holes.

[LukasBMW]

About 3 hours until 1/15.

Any insiders want to drop any hints?

Paula B? You still out there?

[AtheJ415]

I've said this a few times, but we should really trade for TJ McConnell. He's a perfect backup PG for us, and on a crazy lowball contract. Philly doesn't seem to value him that much with the moves they've made, and I'd be perfectly happy trading the Cavs pick for him.

[kennydorglas]

WE WANT TRADES

[Barkley6]

I've said this a few times, but we should really trade for TJ McConnell. He's a perfect backup PG for us, and on a crazy lowball contract. Philly doesn't seem to value him that much with the moves they've made, and I'd be perfectly happy trading the Cavs pick for him.

Not a bad idea. If he can develop a slightly better 3pt shot, he could be a great 3rd guard. Only issue is that since Suns are over the cap, we'd need to send out something in return salary wise.

[sunsbum]

A thought. Keef would be an absolutely perfect fit in Portland and they also need to get up to the league min in salary cap. Portland desperately needs a 4 that can play in the post.

They have a glutton of young players, and probably wouldn't be opposed to giving up a draft pick for Keef/Archie.

I'm not sure who's more available at this point in Vonlegh or Leonard. Vonlegh hasn't really shown anything great so far in Portland but he's still young and on a rookie contract.

Leonard is going to be a RFA I believe and has shown some flash's of being a stretch 4. Not much of a back to the basket game though.

My proposal would be Portland's first and either Meyers or Vonlegh for Keef/Archie. We get another pick because we know Mc can at least do that right and a young 4 while getting some cap space back.

I usually don't post trade proposals but I watch alot of Blazers being that I work for them so I feel like a I have somewhat of an educated view on both teams.

[bwgood77]

A thought. Keef would be an absolutely perfect fit in Portland and they also need to get up to the league min in salary cap. Portland desperately needs a 4 that can play in the post.

They have a glutton of young players, and probably wouldn't be opposed to giving up a draft pick for Keef/Archie.

I'm not sure who's more available at this point in Vonlegh or Leonard. Vonlegh hasn't really shown anything great so far in Portland but he's still young and on a rookie contract.

Leonard is going to be a RFA I believe and has shown some flash's of being a stretch 4. Not much of a back to the basket game though.

My proposal would be Portland's first and either Meyers or Vonlegh for Keef/Archie. We get another pick because we know Mc can at least do that right and a young 4 while getting some cap space back.

I usually don't post trade proposals but I watch alot of Blazers being that I work for them so I feel like a I have somewhat of an educated view on both teams.

Portland's rebuilding too and will have a good pick and likely will want to match any offer on Leonard, and keep Vonleh. Olshey just had an interview and story in print about going young for the rebuild. I don't know why they would want Kieff and no one is going to be hot for Archie..I don't think we could get either of those players for that package alone, but much less their pick.

[AtheJ415]

Vonleh's been really bad. Worse than Archie.

I agree though we couldn't get their pick and Leonard. Vonleh for Archie, let alone including Kieff would be fair value imo. Vonleh's 20 and every bit the project Archie is, even if Vonleh was the higher pick in his draft.

[bwgood77]

Vonleh's been really bad. Worse than Archie.

I agree though we couldn't get their pick and Leonard. Vonleh for Archie, let alone including Kieff would be fair value imo. Vonleh's 20 and every bit the project Archie is, even if Vonleh was the higher pick in his draft.

Both teams could use Vonleh more than Archie to work with. No way they would even consider that trade straight up. They would laugh at the thought.

[AtheJ415]

Vonleh's been really bad. Worse than Archie.

I agree though we couldn't get their pick and Leonard. Vonleh for Archie, let alone including Kieff would be fair value imo. Vonleh's 20 and every bit the project Archie is, even if Vonleh was the higher pick in his draft.

Both teams could use Vonleh more than Archie to work with. No way they would even consider that trade straight up. They would laugh at the thought.

Okay, but that's because of the positions they play, not their actual ability. Archie and Vonleh's ceilings and ability are very equal imo. Archie's numbers, as not good as they are, are basically double Vonleh's in basic and advanced stats. Vonleh is not some attractive asset. He's a throw in to a trade who probably has the most value to the team he's on, similar to Archie with us.

[sunsbum]

A thought. Keef would be an absolutely perfect fit in Portland and they also need to get up to the league min in salary cap. Portland desperately needs a 4 that can play in the post.

They have a glutton of young players, and probably wouldn't be opposed to giving up a draft pick for Keef/Archie.

I'm not sure who's more available at this point in Vonlegh or Leonard. Vonlegh hasn't really shown anything great so far in Portland but he's still young and on a rookie contract.

Leonard is going to be a RFA I believe and has shown some flash's of being a stretch 4. Not much of a back to the basket game though.

My proposal would be Portland's first and either Meyers or Vonlegh for Keef/Archie. We get another pick because we know Mc can at least do that right and a young 4 while getting some cap space back.

I usually don't post trade proposals but I watch alot of Blazers being that I work for them so I feel like a I have somewhat of an educated view on both teams.

Portland's rebuilding too and will have a good pick and likely will want to match any offer on Leonard, and keep Vonleh. Olshey just had an interview and story in print about going young for the rebuild. I don't know why they would want Kieff and no one is going to be hot for Archie..I don't think we could get either of those players for that package alone, but much less their pick.

I disagree with you, Keef is better than Meyers and on a way better contract. Myers is probably going to get at least 10 a year considering what the going market is now. Keef is also still decently young and it fills a signifcant need. They literally have no one that can make a play with their back to the basket. Meyers is also having a down season after breaking out in the playoffs. He turned down a contract extension to try and get more money this year "betting on himself"

The blazers aquiring keef automatically makes them better..easily. I guess I'm not seeing your line of thought in the fact that they wouldn't want keef because of age.

I think you guys are undervaluing keef, heck I think you're undervaluing the 21 y/o Archie as well. Their first pick let's say ends up 10-14 is probably not going to get them anyone better than keef.

Vonlegh/1st for keef or

Leonard for keef

Is my final offer.

[AtheJ415]

A thought. Keef would be an absolutely perfect fit in Portland and they also need to get up to the league min in salary cap. Portland desperately needs a 4 that can play in the post.

They have a glutton of young players, and probably wouldn't be opposed to giving up a draft pick for Keef/Archie.

I'm not sure who's more available at this point in Vonlegh or Leonard. Vonlegh hasn't really shown anything great so far in Portland but he's still young and on a rookie contract.

Leonard is going to be a RFA I believe and has shown some flash's of being a stretch 4. Not much of a back to the basket game though.

My proposal would be Portland's first and either Meyers or Vonlegh for Keef/Archie. We get another pick because we know Mc can at least do that right and a young 4 while getting some cap space back.

I usually don't post trade proposals but I watch alot of Blazers being that I work for them so I feel like a I have somewhat of an educated view on both teams.

Portland's rebuilding too and will have a good pick and likely will want to match any offer on Leonard, and keep Vonleh. Olshey just had an interview and story in print about going young for the rebuild. I don't know why they would want Kieff and no one is going to be hot for Archie..I don't think we could get either of those players for that package alone, but much less their pick.

I disagree with you, Keef is better than Meyers and on a way better contract. Myers is probably going to get at least 10 a year considering what the going market is now. Keef is also still decently young and it fills a signifcant need. They literally have no one that can make a play with their back to the basket. Meyers is also having a down season after breaking out in the playoffs. He turned down a contract extension to try and get more money this year "betting on himself"

The blazers aquiring keef automatically makes them better..easily. I guess I'm not seeing your line of thought in the fact that they wouldn't want keef because of age.

I think you guys are undervaluing keef, heck I think you're undervaluing the 21 y/o Archie as well. Their first pick let's say ends up 10-14 is probably not going to get them anyone better than keef.

Vonlegh/1st for keef or

Leonard for keef

Is my final offer.

I'd take the 1st no question with Vonleh. I'd also take the Leonard deal assuming Leonard is RFA. If he's UFA, I just don't see the value, although I'm pretty sure he's an RFA.

[thamadkant]

Doubt Jazz would trade Hayward for a PG.
They need a PG NEXT to Hayward.

No way they trade with suns without Booker going back there. Id do it personally... Hayward is 25 and would boost the IQ and play making for the Suns.

But still missing pieces to contend so I would keep all the youngins instead.



I would trade Knight, Tucker, Morris for Ibaka, filler and a future pick however.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

Doubt Jazz would trade Hayward for a PG.
They need a PG NEXT to Hayward.

No way they trade with suns without Booker going back there. Id do it personally... Hayward is 25 and would boost the IQ and play making for the Suns.

But still missing pieces to contend so I would keep all the youngins instead.



I would trade Knight, Tucker, Morris for Ibaka, filler and a future pick however.

Ibaka is a great talent. Unfortunately there is no way the thunder trade him this year, however in the offseason if durant walks id be calling up about Ibaka asap. It may even be worth holding on to morris for the deal. A basic deal around Morris cavs pick, heat picks, our own protected pick for Ibaka would help us push for playoffs and let the thunder rebuild/tank. 2016 -17 season we roll out Bledsoe-Booker-Warren-Ibaka-Chandler with a bench of Knight-bogdan-tucker-goodwin-len-2016 pick.

[bwgood77]

I disagree with you, Keef is better than Meyers and on a way better contract. Myers is probably going to get at least 10 a year considering what the going market is now. Keef is also still decently young and it fills a signifcant need. They literally have no one that can make a play with their back to the basket. Meyers is also having a down season after breaking out in the playoffs. He turned down a contract extension to try and get more money this year "betting on himself"

The blazers aquiring keef automatically makes them better..easily. I guess I'm not seeing your line of thought in the fact that they wouldn't want keef because of age.

I think you guys are undervaluing keef, heck I think you're undervaluing the 21 y/o Archie as well. Their first pick let's say ends up 10-14 is probably not going to get them anyone better than keef.

Vonlegh/1st for keef or

Leonard for keef

Is my final offer.

I think Kieff has more value than most do as well, but I just don't think there is any way we get a lottery pick for him or a guy like Leonard. Leonard has regressed a little this year, but I'd be shocked to get either package. Partially because the Blazers worked for awhile on shedding the nickname the JailBlazers and getting rid of troubled players.

[bwgood77]

Doubt Jazz would trade Hayward for a PG.
They need a PG NEXT to Hayward.

No way they trade with suns without Booker going back there. Id do it personally... Hayward is 25 and would boost the IQ and play making for the Suns.

But still missing pieces to contend so I would keep all the youngins instead.



I would trade Knight, Tucker, Morris for Ibaka, filler and a future pick however.

Ibaka is a great talent. Unfortunately there is no way the thunder trade him this year, however in the offseason if durant walks id be calling up about Ibaka asap. It may even be worth holding on to morris for the deal. A basic deal around Morris cavs pick, heat picks, our own protected pick for Ibaka would help us push for playoffs and let the thunder rebuild/tank. 2016 -17 season we roll out Bledsoe-Booker-Warren-Ibaka-Chandler with a bench of Knight-bogdan-tucker-goodwin-len-2016 pick.

Yeah, we'd all trade Knight, Tucker and Morris for Ibaka. The big problem is, OKC won't, regardless of it Durant leaves, which is highly doubtful itself.

[King4Day]

I'd do this.
Bled/Booker/Hayward sounds great. Booker doesn't have the best handles right now but I think he'll improve, and Hayward possesses pretty good ball handling skills to where Bled doesn't have to carry all PG duties. This would open up the lane for Bled to slash and then hit Booker/Hayward on the wings for the dish out if needed.

Imagine then getting Simmons in the draft... now we're talking

Hayward is really damn good. And I remember a lot scoffing at the idea of him getting a max. If only we'd learn from that and be a little more patient with our own 24 year old. Just saying.

I thought he was going to visit with Phoenix until Charlotte offered him his deal. Then he cancelled his trip with us. I thought I read we were going to offer the max too or something.