The Boogie Watch

[jcsunsfan]

Cousins
Wall
Bledsoe

It's good to dream. I'd love that lineup in Phoenix and I'd give up Booker in a trade to get it.

Even if that trade happened, it wouldn't be in season. It would be post lottery when everyone knows what kind of picks they're dealing with.

Like I said in another thread, the Wizards have to be drooling over the possibility. Its easier for them to trade for Bledsoe than it would be for the Suns to trade for Wall. Once that trade is done, they just sign Cousins as a FA.

I would think Bledsoe has mega trade value with the Wizards right now.

[lilfishi22]

I hate the idea of Wall and Bledsoe playing together. I just don't see them playing well together. Neither players are good off the ball and neither are great catch and shooters either. Wall is unselfish but both need the ball in their hands to be effective. I don't think Cousins would be unhappy if he only teamed up with one of Bledsoe or Wall.

[TeamTragic]

Cousins
Wall
Bledsoe

It's good to dream. I'd love that lineup in Phoenix and I'd give up Booker in a trade to get it.

Even if that trade happened, it wouldn't be in season. It would be post lottery when everyone knows what kind of picks they're dealing with.

Like I said in another thread, the Wizards have to be drooling over the possibility. Its easier for them to trade for Bledsoe than it would be for the Suns to trade for Wall. Once that trade is done, they just sign Cousins as a FA.

I would think Bledsoe has mega trade value with the Wizards right now.

Phoenix is a better FA destination. Not even close in my opinion. When was the last time a franchise player signed with the Wizards? How about the last time they even attempted and it was even close?

Not to mention that they have zero trade assets outside Beal. We can offer a better package hands down. What you described is beyond a pipedream and straight into lunacy.

EDIT: Additionally we are not trading Bledsoe unless Cousins says he has zero interest

[TeamTragic]

Bledsoe to WAS
Beal to 3rd team
something to PHO
?

Maybe Otto Porter and a pick?

Imagine that for Washington. You get Bledsoe and Cousins (virtually) for Otto Porter and a pick.

Phoenix hangs up the phone and blocks their number. There is zero reason we should help them get Cousins. Additionally giving up Bledsoe for Porter?

[m1chal]

Ahh, rosterbation! All those detailed moves and reasonings are nothing but fantasy, my fellow Suns fans

[lilfishi22]

It's good to dream. I'd love that lineup in Phoenix and I'd give up Booker in a trade to get it.

Even if that trade happened, it wouldn't be in season. It would be post lottery when everyone knows what kind of picks they're dealing with.

Like I said in another thread, the Wizards have to be drooling over the possibility. Its easier for them to trade for Bledsoe than it would be for the Suns to trade for Wall. Once that trade is done, they just sign Cousins as a FA.

I would think Bledsoe has mega trade value with the Wizards right now.

Phoenix is a better FA destination. Not even close in my opinion. When was the last time a franchise player signed with the Wizards? How about the last time they even attempted and it was even close?

Not to mention that they have zero trade assets outside Beal. We can offer a better package hands down. What you described is beyond a pipedream and straight into lunacy.

EDIT: Additionally we are not trading Bledsoe unless Cousins says he has zero interest

Washington is far from an attractive FA destination but when was the last time we signed anyone with star power? Steve Nash? Grant Hill? I'd love to think that Phoenix is as popular a FA destination as it once was but reality tells a different story. In today's NBA, there may be markets which players definitely don't want to play in unless it's for great money, then there's a few which are truly attractive (maybe a handful of teams) and then there's every other city not in either categories. Is Phoenix higher on the totem pole than Washington? Probably but it's not that far off if you look at the FA's we *have* been able to attract in recent years.

There's a big reason why Lebron and Bosh decided to team up in Miami over Cleveland or Toronto.

[bwgood77]

Bledsoe to WAS
Beal to 3rd team
something to PHO
?

Maybe Otto Porter and a pick?

Imagine that for Washington. You get Bledsoe and Cousins (virtually) for Otto Porter and a pick.

Phoenix hangs up the phone and blocks their number. There is zero reason we should help them get Cousins. Additionally giving up Bledsoe for Porter?

Porter has been a stud, and with a pick? The only thing that would make it hard for me to turn that down is that we have Warren and I don't know if he can play the 4. If we wanted to move on from Bledsoe that would be a solid package.

There's probably a very good chance he signs there anyway. He's probably prefer Wall to Bledsoe and playing in the east.

Beal has been balling as of late as well. Scoring nearly 30 pts a game lately.

Wall/Beal/Porter/Markieff?/Boogie

[TeamTragic]

Like I said in another thread, the Wizards have to be drooling over the possibility. Its easier for them to trade for Bledsoe than it would be for the Suns to trade for Wall. Once that trade is done, they just sign Cousins as a FA.

I would think Bledsoe has mega trade value with the Wizards right now.

Phoenix is a better FA destination. Not even close in my opinion. When was the last time a franchise player signed with the Wizards? How about the last time they even attempted and it was even close?

Not to mention that they have zero trade assets outside Beal. We can offer a better package hands down. What you described is beyond a pipedream and straight into lunacy.

EDIT: Additionally we are not trading Bledsoe unless Cousins says he has zero interest

Washington is far from an attractive FA destination but when was the last time we signed anyone with star power? Steve Nash? Grant Hill? I'd love to think that Phoenix is as popular a FA destination as it once was but reality tells a different story. In today's NBA, there may be markets which players definitely don't want to play in unless it's for great money, then there's a few which are truly attractive (maybe a handful of teams) and then there's every other city not in either categories. Is Phoenix higher on the totem pole than Washington? Probably but it's not that far off if you look at the FA's we *have* been able to attract in recent years.

You missed my point. We were one day from landing LMA. Washington will NEVER be a better FA destination than Phoenix. I'm not saying that we are the premier FA destination I'm saying we are better than Washington.

That team screams disorganized mediocrity. They are not going to have a great season.

[TeamTragic]

Maybe Otto Porter and a pick?

Imagine that for Washington. You get Bledsoe and Cousins (virtually) for Otto Porter and a pick.

Phoenix hangs up the phone and blocks their number. There is zero reason we should help them get Cousins. Additionally giving up Bledsoe for Porter?

Porter has been a stud, and with a pick? The only thing that would make it hard for me to turn that down is that we have Warren and I don't know if he can play the 4. If we wanted to move on from Bledsoe that would be a solid package.

There's probably a very good chance he signs there anyway. He's probably prefer Wall to Bledsoe and playing in the east.

Beal has been balling as of late as well. Scoring nearly 30 pts a game lately.

Wall/Beal/Porter/Markieff?/Boogie

I don't see Wall resigning with them. I don't see Cousins signing either or getting traded. I have a feeling either Wall/Cousins are on the SUNS in the next few years. Just an opinion based on our FO.

[lilfishi22]

You missed my point. We were one day from landing LMA. Washington will NEVER be a better FA destination than Phoenix. I'm not saying that we are the premier FA destination I'm saying we are better than Washington.

That team screams disorganized mediocrity. They are not going to have a great season.

Yeah all I'm saying is that Phoenix as a destination isn't significantly better than Washington so it will come down to which roster is better suited to succeed with Cousins.

[TeamTragic]

You missed my point. We were one day from landing LMA. Washington will NEVER be a better FA destination than Phoenix. I'm not saying that we are the premier FA destination I'm saying we are better than Washington.

That team screams disorganized mediocrity. They are not going to have a great season.

Yeah all I'm saying is that Phoenix as a destination isn't significantly better than Washington so it will come down to which roster is better suited to succeed with Cousins.

I'm going to give the edge to Phoenix. Cousins wants a better situation not the same drama.

[bwgood77]

You missed my point. We were one day from landing LMA. Washington will NEVER be a better FA destination than Phoenix. I'm not saying that we are the premier FA destination I'm saying we are better than Washington.

That team screams disorganized mediocrity. They are not going to have a great season.

Yeah all I'm saying is that Phoenix as a destination isn't significantly better than Washington so it will come down to which roster is better suited to succeed with Cousins.

It probably MOST matters who he would rather play with, Wall or Bledsoe. My guess is Wall. Especially if Bledsoe goes down with another injury.

I don't really like the Wall/Bledsoe pairing either. If there really isn't a problem between Wall and Beal like Wall claimed after that rumor came out, then they are a perfect pairing.

By the way, here is what Boogie said

DeMarcus Cousins spoke to the media before the Sacramento Kings played the Washington Wizards about the possibility of playing with John Wall.

Cousins was asked if he and Wall ever discuss the situations they presently find themselves in where they're playing for teams not presently considered contenders. Cousins and Wall were teammates at Kentucky.

"Do we ever talk about playing with one another? Is that your question? It's come up," said Cousins. "They're going to all come to Sac. Come to Sac."

Cousins won't be a free agent until 2018 but he is currently adamant about wanting to remain with the Kings. Wall won't be a free agent until 2019.

"He wants me here," said Cousins about Wall.

"Eric (Bledsoe) wants us in Phoenix."

Cousins was asked if he thinks there will ever be a time when he plays with Wall.

"You never know. Maybe. There might be a time we team up in a rec league after we retire or something. You never know."

Cousins was finally asked if playing with Wall is something he would want.

"Play with John and Eric again... you never know what will happen. It's the NBA, so hopefully one day he'll be in a Sacramento uniform," said Cousins.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244130/DeMarcus-Cousins-Hopes-John-Wall-Will-One-Day-Be-In-A-Sacramento-Uniform

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[TeamTragic]

You missed my point. We were one day from landing LMA. Washington will NEVER be a better FA destination than Phoenix. I'm not saying that we are the premier FA destination I'm saying we are better than Washington.

That team screams disorganized mediocrity. They are not going to have a great season.

Yeah all I'm saying is that Phoenix as a destination isn't significantly better than Washington so it will come down to which roster is better suited to succeed with Cousins.

It probably MOST matters who he would rather play with, Wall or Bledsoe. My guess is Wall. Especially if Bledsoe goes down with another injury.

I don't really like the Wall/Bledsoe pairing either. If there really isn't a problem between Wall and Beal like Wall claimed after that rumor came out, then they are a perfect pairing.

By the way, here is what Boogie said

DeMarcus Cousins spoke to the media before the Sacramento Kings played the Washington Wizards about the possibility of playing with John Wall.

Cousins was asked if he and Wall ever discuss the situations they presently find themselves in where they're playing for teams not presently considered contenders. Cousins and Wall were teammates at Kentucky.

"Do we ever talk about playing with one another? Is that your question? It's come up," said Cousins. "They're going to all come to Sac. Come to Sac."

Cousins won't be a free agent until 2018 but he is currently adamant about wanting to remain with the Kings. Wall won't be a free agent until 2019.

"He wants me here," said Cousins about Wall.

"Eric (Bledsoe) wants us in Phoenix."

Cousins was asked if he thinks there will ever be a time when he plays with Wall.

"You never know. Maybe. There might be a time we team up in a rec league after we retire or something. You never know."

Cousins was finally asked if playing with Wall is something he would want.

"Play with John and Eric again... you never know what will happen. It's the NBA, so hopefully one day he'll be in a Sacramento uniform," said Cousins.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244130/DeMarcus-Cousins-Hopes-John-Wall-Will-One-Day-Be-In-A-Sacramento-Uniform

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That's just Boogie doing what most players do in that situation. Nobody wants to burn bridges however I know for a fact that if Phoenix offers a nice package Divac will do what is best for the franchise.

Cousins is jut one player and right now they are not winning nor making the playoffs.

[lilfishi22]

Talking about Beal, Booker surprisingly close in terms of production

Beal
20.9ppg on 17.1FGA, 3.2rbs, 3.2ast, 43.7FG% and 38.2% from the 3 in 34.2mpg

Booker
19.5ppg on 17.2FGA, 2.7rbs, 2.5ast, 41.7FG% and 33.7% from the 3 in 33.5mpg

There's a considerable difference in efficiency but Beal does play with a significantly better POINT guard

[bwgood77]

Talking about Beal, Booker surprisingly close in terms of production

Beal
20.9ppg on 17.1FGA, 3.2rbs, 3.2ast, 43.7FG% and 38.2% from the 3 in 34.2mpg

Booker
19.5ppg on 17.2FGA, 2.7rbs, 2.5ast, 41.7FG% and 33.7% from the 3 in 33.5mpg

There's a considerable difference in efficiency but Beal does play with a significantly better POINT guard

Yes, and these guys are not so far removed from advancing to the second round in the playoffs and nearly beating top seed Atlanta. They have dealt with injuries since then, but if you add a guy like Boogie to THAT team, they probably make a significant jump. It's not that hard with a major player added to jump from like 12th or 13th in the east to 2nd or 3rd. In the West, we'd probably jump to fringe playoff team, or possibly a low seed.

[Kerrsed]

Wasnt someone on here just saying recently that the idea that Cousins would want to play with Bledsoe was stupid because they only spent a year together in college and we were taking the whole idea of them being good friends much farther then it really was?

But on Monday in Washington, Cousins threw some fuel on the rumor mill fire when asked about former Kentucky teammates John Wall and Eric Bledsoe.

“Do we ever talk about playing with one another? Is that your question?,” Cousins asked in response to a reporter’s inquiries. “It’s came up. They’re going to all come to Sac. Come to Sac.”

Cousins was smiling during the exchange. He knows that a reunion with his former college buddies isn’t as easy as it sounds. Wall signed a max-money deal that will keep him in Washington until after the 2018-19 season. Like Wall, Bledsoe inked a 5-year, $70 million deal with the Suns in 2014 that will keep in Phoenix until the summer of 2019.

Speaking to the Washington Post after the game, Wall said that he and Cousins, “Talk about it all the time.”

“Just trying to figure out what’s going to happen, you know what I mean?” Wall told reporters following Washington’s 101-95 win over the Kings. “[Cousins] loves where he’s at and I love where I’m at, so whatever we feel like gives us the best opportunity to win — I know what our [team] is here and what I want to do here. And it’s something I keep in my mind.”

Cousins was a little more playful in his answer.

“Play with John and Eric again … you never know what will happen,” Cousins added. “It’s the NBA, so hopefully one day he’ll be in a Sacramento uniform.”

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/come-sac-cousins-throws-fuel-trade-rumor-mill-fire

[GMATCallahan]

He reminds me of Barkley pre-phoenix. I don't think we're ready for jump to being a contender if we trade for cousins.

... except not as good (at least offensively). And Barkley had at least led Philadelphia to the old Atlantic Division title in 1990, plus a couple of other playoff appearances, whereas Cousins possesses no NBA experience with winning. He is not principally to blame, of course, but he would not be able to arrive in Phoenix and teach the young Suns "how to win." And of course, Barkley did not even need to do that, anyway, given that he was joining the team that had won the fifth-most regular season games in the NBA over the previous four years and had reached multiple Western Conference Finals during that span.

I concur that the Suns would not be ready to become a contender simply by trading for Cousins, and I also do not see much of a match between these clubs. Sacramento probably would not want to trade Cousins within its own division, anyway.

Frankly, the Suns with Cousins might simply be as good as the Kings now, or not much better, especially considering whatever Phoenix would need to trade.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Wasnt someone on here just saying recently that the idea that Cousins would want to play with Bledsoe was stupid because they only spent a year together in college and we were taking the whole idea of them being good friends much farther then it really was?

But on Monday in Washington, Cousins threw some fuel on the rumor mill fire when asked about former Kentucky teammates John Wall and Eric Bledsoe.

“Do we ever talk about playing with one another? Is that your question?,” Cousins asked in response to a reporter’s inquiries. “It’s came up. They’re going to all come to Sac. Come to Sac.”

Cousins was smiling during the exchange. He knows that a reunion with his former college buddies isn’t as easy as it sounds. Wall signed a max-money deal that will keep him in Washington until after the 2018-19 season. Like Wall, Bledsoe inked a 5-year, $70 million deal with the Suns in 2014 that will keep in Phoenix until the summer of 2019.

Speaking to the Washington Post after the game, Wall said that he and Cousins, “Talk about it all the time.”

“Just trying to figure out what’s going to happen, you know what I mean?” Wall told reporters following Washington’s 101-95 win over the Kings. “[Cousins] loves where he’s at and I love where I’m at, so whatever we feel like gives us the best opportunity to win — I know what our [team] is here and what I want to do here. And it’s something I keep in my mind.”

Cousins was a little more playful in his answer.

“Play with John and Eric again … you never know what will happen,” Cousins added. “It’s the NBA, so hopefully one day he’ll be in a Sacramento uniform.”

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/come-sac-cousins-throws-fuel-trade-rumor-mill-fire

So who would be likely to put together the better package? The Kings for Bledsoe, or the Suns for Cousins? Would the Kings be able to do better than a package of Knight/Chriss/PHO 2017/MIA 2018/MIA 2021?

I'd be willing to consider Cousins if there's evidence he would re-sign in Phoenix.

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa/Jenkins
Warren/Tucker
Cousins/Bender
Chandler/Len

Even I gotta admit it's intriguing.

[OGBAH]

Wasnt someone on here just saying recently that the idea that Cousins would want to play with Bledsoe was stupid because they only spent a year together in college and we were taking the whole idea of them being good friends much farther then it really was?

But on Monday in Washington, Cousins threw some fuel on the rumor mill fire when asked about former Kentucky teammates John Wall and Eric Bledsoe.

“Do we ever talk about playing with one another? Is that your question?,” Cousins asked in response to a reporter’s inquiries. “It’s came up. They’re going to all come to Sac. Come to Sac.”

Cousins was smiling during the exchange. He knows that a reunion with his former college buddies isn’t as easy as it sounds. Wall signed a max-money deal that will keep him in Washington until after the 2018-19 season. Like Wall, Bledsoe inked a 5-year, $70 million deal with the Suns in 2014 that will keep in Phoenix until the summer of 2019.

Speaking to the Washington Post after the game, Wall said that he and Cousins, “Talk about it all the time.”

“Just trying to figure out what’s going to happen, you know what I mean?” Wall told reporters following Washington’s 101-95 win over the Kings. “[Cousins] loves where he’s at and I love where I’m at, so whatever we feel like gives us the best opportunity to win — I know what our [team] is here and what I want to do here. And it’s something I keep in my mind.”

Cousins was a little more playful in his answer.

“Play with John and Eric again … you never know what will happen,” Cousins added. “It’s the NBA, so hopefully one day he’ll be in a Sacramento uniform.”

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/come-sac-cousins-throws-fuel-trade-rumor-mill-fire

[Kerrsed]

Ok, time to be hated.

A Realistic/Unrealistic trade for both Wall and Cousins (Realistic as actual value/Unrealistic as too many players).


Kings get Booker/Warren/Ulis/Chriss/Knight/2019 1st (lotto Protected) - Its a fresh start to a rebuild for the Kings. Booker is the major score here, but they are also taking on high quality great character guys. The Kings pretty much lack (specially after this trade) young talented players at damn near every position (Maybe excluding C with WCS). This gives them a future star in Booker (along with his good buddy and team 1st PG Ulis). Warren replaces Gay's production and Chriss gives Skal compitition for starting young PF next to WCS at C. Knight is just a throw in and can be used as trade bait to grab someone from another team. A future 1st helps seal the deal.

2017 starting 5: Ulis/Booker/Warren/Chriss/WCS

Wizards get Bender/Len/Tucker/Collison/2017 1st/2018 Miami 1st - There are conflicting reports of weather Wall really wants to re-sign in Washington or not, not to mention his rumored beef with Beal, so the Wizards decide to trade now before its too late, and cash in on him before teams offer less due to him being on an expiring deal. Collison acts as the short term PG replacement. With the market being flooded with PG's it would be easy for them to find a new one on the market (Rubio) or in FA. or even in the draft. Bender gives them a young up and coming SF/PF for when Morris finally picks up a new charge, Len will be on hand to replace the aging Gortat, not to mention bring in fans from the nearby University of Maryland. Tucker is just an expiring, nothing more, but the real steal is getting 2 future draft picks. Of course i would try to get one of them protected, doesnt matter which one to me.

2017 starting 5: Draft/Beal/Porter Jr/Bender/Len

Suns get Wall/Cousins/Gay - It takes away a lot from us. We console all our assets to make one of the biggest splashes in Suns history. Its make it or break it time. This trade makes us a bit short staffed, but makes us a FA destination once again and puts us into the title contention picture. Wall is not just a team player, but a great team player. Guys would love to play next to him, sort of like they did with Nash. Cousins is arguably the most dominant big in the league. Who wouldnt want to be on his team? Put the two of them together and it makes for a very dynamic duo. Add in Gay who has been having a great season, and has really stepped up his production all across the board, not only on offense, but on defense as well, and you have the makings of a great squad. Bledsoe of course would slide over to SG, taking the decision making out of his hands, leaving him to become a shooter and a last minute wreckingball in the paint.

2017 starting 5: Wall/Bledsoe/Gay/Cousins/Chandler

Is that a lot to give up for 3 players? Sure as hell is! Is that around what i think it would take to get Cousins/Wall in Suns uniforms? You betcha. Should we even try to do this? I have no idea, but you have to admit, it would be one hell of a ride for us all!