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Re: Game 44: Suns (14-30) @ Raptors (28-15) 

Post#81 » by batsmasher » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:50 am

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I always switch or try to get the other teams broadcast, I just prefer to hear their perspective on our players. EJ tends to give them the benefit of the doubt too much for my taste.


I thought I was the only one that disliked EJ? He was great when he first replaced Majerle but somewhere along the way it became about him. All this "I told him", or "I used to" crap really gets old. He's knowledgable and he's well spoken but he needs to get his ego fix somewhere else and quit trying to take credit for everything. I watch our telecast about half the time and go the other way the other 40 games or so for several years now.

I find him knowledgeable and well spoken but also not very smart. Steve is so freaking generic a robot could probably do his job better. They have their whacky moments together, but they are mostly lame uncles.
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Post#82 » by sleepyvato » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:52 am

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sleepyvato wrote:13th pick here we come! Woo! :banghead:


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Post#83 » by KLEON » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:57 am

Qwigglez wrote:Crazy that we won considering the FT discrepancy before the 4th quarter started. We played lock down defense in the 4th and the Raptors guards weren't able to hit shots. Good all around game by every player (even Knight).

Does that mean he's stepping down as the Tank Commander?
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Post#84 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:00 am

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That hurt man. You win. Kendall Marshall is a joke.


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Post#85 » by ATTL » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:00 am

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sleepyvato wrote:13th pick here we come! Woo! :banghead:


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Luckily McD hasn't outright blown a lotto pick as gm so I think he can find a good player if there's one there.

That said, I doubt we drop out of the top 5 worst records so a random win here and there will help the team not build a losing culture.
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Post#86 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:01 am

Guys... Suns play Minnesota, Denver back to back this week. If Suns win all three.... all of a sudden... lol


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Re: Game 44: Suns (14-30) @ Raptors (28-15) 

Post#87 » by ATTL » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:03 am

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That hurt man. You win. Kendall Marshall is a joke.


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In retrospect, the pick was almost worth the amazing puke and gun to the head gifs that were posted in the hours, days, weeks, and months after his pick.
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Re: Game 44: Suns (14-30) @ Raptors (28-15) 

Post#88 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:03 am

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Qwigglez wrote:Crazy that we won considering the FT discrepancy before the 4th quarter started. We played lock down defense in the 4th and the Raptors guards weren't able to hit shots. Good all around game by every player (even Knight).

Does that mean he's stepping down as the Tank Commander?

I might just feel bad because he got clocked.
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Post#89 » by Scutt » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:22 am

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This. Just enjoy it.


Sorry but I am not a casual basketball fan, and I know how the NBA works. I am not going to enjoy watching Bledsoe, Tucker, and Chandler get the lions share of the minutes, all the while holding young players back and hurting our draft position. It is the same reason I watched in disgust during 2014. The NBA is a star driven league and if you want to truly compete, you need a few of them. I do not want to watch Devin Booker and a bunch of veteran role players try and overachieve to the 8th seed.

Devin Booker looks like he could become a #2 guy on a contending team, but we still need that franchise changing talent to pair with him and this is the draft to do it in. We need to secure a top 3 pick. If we keep winning these meaningless games by playing the veterans heavy minutes, I can almost guarantee that the Suns front office spin will go something like this : "Devin Booker has taken the next step and is the franchise savior. We just need to add some more solid veteran role players and we will be ready to compete".
Look at the Pelicans, they drafted Davis, a player who is way better than Booker, yet they rushed the process and surrounded him with vet role players in an attempt to compete right away and now they are going nowhere.

Why try and rush things? Why not get more experience and playing time for our #4 pick in Bender, and if a byproduct of that is a few more losses and a better pick, then that is a win win. The Suns need to pick a direction, either truly embrace the rebuild and go young or go all out and try and compete now. They need to stop with trying to do both, otherwise they are just spinning tires. Other than Bookers play of late, I cannot see how Suns fans can enjoy this season. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, like always. We are 4 years into our rebuild and our core is Booker, Bledsoe, Chandler, and Tucker. That sounds real sustainable and promising for the future... :-?
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Re: Game 44: Suns (14-30) @ Raptors (28-15) 

Post#90 » by RunSunRun » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:24 am

Haven't posted in a while, just checked to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me.

What has befallen our tank commanders?

Although I have been pleasantly surprised that the team is actually fairly watchable this year, especially seeing Booker develop.
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Post#91 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:29 am

We seem to match up well against other teams who are perimeter oriented and have a weak front court.
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Post#92 » by suns91fan » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:43 am

Scutt wrote:
NTB wrote:
Read on Twitter


This. Just enjoy it.


Sorry but I am not a casual basketball fan, and I know how the NBA works. I am not going to enjoy watching Bledsoe, Tucker, and Chandler get the lions share of the minutes, all the while holding young players back and hurting our draft position. It is the same reason I watched in disgust during 2014. The NBA is a star driven league and if you want to truly compete, you need a few of them. I do not want to watch Devin Booker and a bunch of veteran role players try and overachieve to the 8th seed.

Devin Booker looks like he could become a #2 guy on a contending team, but we still need that franchise changing talent to pair with him and this is the draft to do it in. We need to secure a top 3 pick. If we keep winning these meaningless games by playing the veterans heavy minutes, I can almost guarantee that the Suns front office spin will go something like this : "Devin Booker has taken the next step and is the franchise savior. We just need to add some more solid veteran role players and we will be ready to compete".
Look at the Pelicans, they drafted Davis, a player who is way better than Booker, yet they rushed the process and surrounded him with vet role players in an attempt to compete right away and now they are going nowhere.

Why try and rush things? Why not get more experience and playing time for our #4 pick in Bender, and if a byproduct of that is a few more losses and a better pick, then that is a win win. The Suns need to pick a direction, either truly embrace the rebuild and go young or go all out and try and compete now. They need to stop with trying to do both, otherwise they are just spinning tires. Other than Bookers play of late, I cannot see how Suns fans can enjoy this. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, like always. We are 4 years into our rebuild and our core is Booker, Bledsoe, Chandler, and Tucker. That sounds real sustainable and promising for the future... :-?


Check all top eight teams currently in the west and tell me how many of those teams are lead by a "franchise player who was secured by a top 3 pick"?

GSW - Curry, Thompson and Green picked outside top 5, and Durant acquired via FA.
SAS - Kawhi Leonard picked outside of top 5, as well as their vets Parker and Ginobili.
Rockets - Harden acquired through trade, and Houston gave up a few young players picked outside of top 5.
Clippers - Griffin was a 1st overall pick, and CP3 was acquired through FA.
Jazz - None of their leading players were among the top 5 picks. Ironically, their only top 5 pick was Exum, and he is not good.
Thunder - Led by Westbrook (a top 5 pick) right now and were ultimately unable to win it with KD.
Grizzlies - No recent top 5 picks.
Nuggets - Best player Jokic was picked in the 2nd round.

So apart from Griffin and Westbrook, all other players who lead their teams, were not top 5 picks. So tell me again, why exactly we need to secure a top pick?
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Post#93 » by Scutt » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:04 am

suns91fan wrote:
Scutt wrote:
NTB wrote:
Read on Twitter


This. Just enjoy it.


Sorry but I am not a casual basketball fan, and I know how the NBA works. I am not going to enjoy watching Bledsoe, Tucker, and Chandler get the lions share of the minutes, all the while holding young players back and hurting our draft position. It is the same reason I watched in disgust during 2014. The NBA is a star driven league and if you want to truly compete, you need a few of them. I do not want to watch Devin Booker and a bunch of veteran role players try and overachieve to the 8th seed.

Devin Booker looks like he could become a #2 guy on a contending team, but we still need that franchise changing talent to pair with him and this is the draft to do it in. We need to secure a top 3 pick. If we keep winning these meaningless games by playing the veterans heavy minutes, I can almost guarantee that the Suns front office spin will go something like this : "Devin Booker has taken the next step and is the franchise savior. We just need to add some more solid veteran role players and we will be ready to compete".
Look at the Pelicans, they drafted Davis, a player who is way better than Booker, yet they rushed the process and surrounded him with vet role players in an attempt to compete right away and now they are going nowhere.

Why try and rush things? Why not get more experience and playing time for our #4 pick in Bender, and if a byproduct of that is a few more losses and a better pick, then that is a win win. The Suns need to pick a direction, either truly embrace the rebuild and go young or go all out and try and compete now. They need to stop with trying to do both, otherwise they are just spinning tires. Other than Bookers play of late, I cannot see how Suns fans can enjoy this. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, like always. We are 4 years into our rebuild and our core is Booker, Bledsoe, Chandler, and Tucker. That sounds real sustainable and promising for the future... :-?


Check all top eight teams currently in the west and tell me how many of those teams are lead by a "franchise player who was secured by a top 3 pick"?

GSW - Curry, Thompson and Green picked outside top 5, and Durant acquired via FA.
SAS - Kawhi Leonard picked outside of top 5, as well as their vets Parker and Ginobili.
Rockets - Harden acquired through trade, and Houston gave up a few young players picked outside of top 5.
Clippers - Griffin was a 1st overall pick, and CP3 was acquired through FA.
Jazz - None of their leading players were among the top 5 picks. Ironically, their only top 5 pick was Exum, and he is not good.
Thunder - Led by Westbrook (a top 5 pick) right now and were ultimately unable to win it with KD.
Grizzlies - No recent top 5 picks.
Nuggets - Best player Jokic was picked in the 2nd round.

So apart from Griffin and Westbrook, all other players who lead their teams, were not top 5 picks. So tell me again, why exactly we need to secure a top pick?



I want to see the Suns win a championship. I dont care who is in the playoffs currently. I want to watch something sustainable. Atlanta won 60 games a couple of years ago and look where they are now. They were never truly going to compete for a ring, they were just treamilling like those lower playoff teams are doing this year. Go look at the teams that have won rings the past 20 years and you will notice a trend, they drafted their franchise player. You seem to be missing the main point though, I want the Suns to focus on developing the players they draft, regardless of where they were picked. I just happen to think that if we can get a top 3 pick this year, we will have a legit chance at getting a game changing talent, something we really need. Tucker, Chandler, and Bledsoe are taking us nowhere and are only going to delay the younger players development. Those young players have the potential to be apart of the next great Suns team, can you say that about Chandler, Bledsoe, and Tucker? I do not think so and thus I wonder why they are still here. Those 3 should be wanting to play for winning teams, yet they are all happy to be big fishes in a small pond, stuffing their stats. Are those really the type of veteran role players you want influencing the young guys?
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Post#94 » by LukasBMW » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:15 am

Great win. We are playing much better. We are also starting to play with confidence. I'm happy for our players. They deserve it.

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Post#95 » by DaleyBlind » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:28 am

LukasBMW wrote:Great win. We are playing much better. We are also starting to play with confidence. I'm happy for our players. They deserve it.

Let's make a playoff push! Only 4.5 games out.


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Post#96 » by DaleyBlind » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:29 am

Please dont go on a winning streak
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Post#97 » by suns91fan » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:43 am

Scutt wrote:
suns91fan wrote:
Scutt wrote:
Sorry but I am not a casual basketball fan, and I know how the NBA works. I am not going to enjoy watching Bledsoe, Tucker, and Chandler get the lions share of the minutes, all the while holding young players back and hurting our draft position. It is the same reason I watched in disgust during 2014. The NBA is a star driven league and if you want to truly compete, you need a few of them. I do not want to watch Devin Booker and a bunch of veteran role players try and overachieve to the 8th seed.

Devin Booker looks like he could become a #2 guy on a contending team, but we still need that franchise changing talent to pair with him and this is the draft to do it in. We need to secure a top 3 pick. If we keep winning these meaningless games by playing the veterans heavy minutes, I can almost guarantee that the Suns front office spin will go something like this : "Devin Booker has taken the next step and is the franchise savior. We just need to add some more solid veteran role players and we will be ready to compete".
Look at the Pelicans, they drafted Davis, a player who is way better than Booker, yet they rushed the process and surrounded him with vet role players in an attempt to compete right away and now they are going nowhere.

Why try and rush things? Why not get more experience and playing time for our #4 pick in Bender, and if a byproduct of that is a few more losses and a better pick, then that is a win win. The Suns need to pick a direction, either truly embrace the rebuild and go young or go all out and try and compete now. They need to stop with trying to do both, otherwise they are just spinning tires. Other than Bookers play of late, I cannot see how Suns fans can enjoy this. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, like always. We are 4 years into our rebuild and our core is Booker, Bledsoe, Chandler, and Tucker. That sounds real sustainable and promising for the future... :-?


Check all top eight teams currently in the west and tell me how many of those teams are lead by a "franchise player who was secured by a top 3 pick"?

GSW - Curry, Thompson and Green picked outside top 5, and Durant acquired via FA.
SAS - Kawhi Leonard picked outside of top 5, as well as their vets Parker and Ginobili.
Rockets - Harden acquired through trade, and Houston gave up a few young players picked outside of top 5.
Clippers - Griffin was a 1st overall pick, and CP3 was acquired through FA.
Jazz - None of their leading players were among the top 5 picks. Ironically, their only top 5 pick was Exum, and he is not good.
Thunder - Led by Westbrook (a top 5 pick) right now and were ultimately unable to win it with KD.
Grizzlies - No recent top 5 picks.
Nuggets - Best player Jokic was picked in the 2nd round.

So apart from Griffin and Westbrook, all other players who lead their teams, were not top 5 picks. So tell me again, why exactly we need to secure a top pick?



I want to see the Suns win a championship. I dont care who is in the playoffs currently. I want to watch something sustainable. Atlanta won 60 games a couple of years ago and look where they are now. They were never truly going to compete for a ring, they were just treamilling like those lower playoff teams are doing this year. Go look at the teams that have won rings the past 20 years and you will notice a trend, they drafted their franchise player. You seem to be missing the main point though, I want the Suns to focus on developing the players they draft, regardless of where they were picked. I just happen to think that if we can get a top 3 pick this year, we will have a legit chance at getting a game changing talent, something we really need. Tucker, Chandler, and Bledsoe are taking us nowhere.


I've said this many times already. Giving huge minutes to young players is not player development, it's showcasing. If i remember correctly you were always mad in the past when Goodwin wasn't getting minutes. Now Goodwin is out of the league. It just shows that those coaches working with young guys 24/7 know far better than you and me what those guys are capable of. They are simply not ready for anything more right now, and if you just send them out there, you are seriously risking destroying their confidence.

And what about Atlanta? Where are they now exactly? They're sitting comfortably along with Raptors and Celtics as best teams in the east not named Cleveland. They have a great system not dependent of players, and have no problems attracting FAs. Why? Because they're developing a winning culture. Are they going to upset Cleveland in the playoffs? Probably not. But neither is any team in the east as long as Lebron is still in his prime. But they'll be there when Lebron finally declines and is no longer able to lead his team to easy finals. They will be ready! And if you're thinking that Suns should tank for a new Lebron, a type of player who comes once every 20 years, and even then doesn't guarantee a championship (Cleveland didn't win it with him, until he returned via FA), then that's just madness. Bottom line, while Atlanta's odds of winning the championship this season are very low, those odds are still better than expecting a tanking team to nab a new Lebron.
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Post#98 » by TeamTragic » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:20 am

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LukasBMW wrote:Great win. We are playing much better. We are also starting to play with confidence. I'm happy for our players. They deserve it.

Let's make a playoff push! Only 4.5 games out.


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Post#99 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:45 am

Scutt wrote:
NTB wrote:
Read on Twitter


This. Just enjoy it.


Sorry but I am not a casual basketball fan, and I know how the NBA works. I am not going to enjoy watching Bledsoe, Tucker, and Chandler get the lions share of the minutes, all the while holding young players back and hurting our draft position. It is the same reason I watched in disgust during 2014. The NBA is a star driven league and if you want to truly compete, you need a few of them. I do not want to watch Devin Booker and a bunch of veteran role players try and overachieve to the 8th seed.


Two of Booker/Warren/Chriss/Bender/Ulis/Len were on the floor most of the night. Len played more than usual and grabbed 10 boards in 20 minutes. The rest of our guys played well. We just won back-to-back road games over the Raps and the Knicks. Ummm... isn't the bigger deal that our team is putting it together?

Scutt wrote:Devin Booker looks like he could become a #2 guy on a contending team, but we still need that franchise changing talent to pair with him and this is the draft to do it in. We need to secure a top 3 pick. If we keep winning these meaningless games by playing the veterans heavy minutes, I can almost guarantee that the Suns front office spin will go something like this : "Devin Booker has taken the next step and is the franchise savior. We just need to add some more solid veteran role players and we will be ready to compete".
Look at the Pelicans, they drafted Davis, a player who is way better than Booker, yet they rushed the process and surrounded him with vet role players in an attempt to compete right away and now they are going nowhere.

Why try and rush things? Why not get more experience and playing time for our #4 pick in Bender, and if a byproduct of that is a few more losses and a better pick, then that is a win win. The Suns need to pick a direction, either truly embrace the rebuild and go young or go all out and try and compete now. They need to stop with trying to do both, otherwise they are just spinning tires. Other than Bookers play of late, I cannot see how Suns fans can enjoy this season. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, like always. We are 4 years into our rebuild and our core is Booker, Bledsoe, Chandler, and Tucker. That sounds real sustainable and promising for the future... :-?


I've bolded the various statements I disagree with here. It's more than I usually find in a post. I have a very different perspective. :-?

I wanted to tank from the beginnings of the 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons, and from the midpoints of the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons. I'm not shy about wanting to tank when it's appropriate. I don't think it's appropriate right now.

The best long-term strategy is to try to maximize the long-term value of your assets - contractual and draftwise. The ideal strategy would be to descend and ascend rapidly and dramatically in order get maximum value out of your assets. But the NBA happens in real life rather than a simulation, and big things happen that nobody can predict. Franchise changing players can ascend from the bottom or middle of a draft class, as they've recently done for Milwaukee and Utah - and for us as well with Booker. You say he can't be a #1 - well, I think that's a rather bold prediction. Elite perimeter scoring is one of the most lethal weapons in basketball. It's what makes KD KD and Steph Steph. He can do it in the clutch; he's versatile; he can handle the ball and create offense; he's almost always in a position to score on the court. He may be the best player in his draft class. Yeah. Crazy but I think it's true.

Bender and Chriss are rotation NBA players, super-young, getting tons of opportunities, and actually - unlike some rookies in this draft class - producing and showing off rare NBA talent. We don't know what we have in them and won't for some time. Alex looks like a solid NBA player - and we may very well sign him to a 5-year deal around I would guess $75m. Warren and Ulis have shown flashes of being good NBA players. And we have Brandon Knight and Eric Bledsoe on long-term deals - two valuable guards, one of whom could still be valuable (even to us, like, on the court and stuff!) if he played better and we won, and the other of whom has clearly increased in value as a result of consistent great play - and now with wins!

Winning increases the value of all your current assets. It also makes you more attractive as a free agent destination, giving you more options for acquiring a game-changing player. While it's nice to play the downside, you're essentially just rolling a dice at a craps table. You can win big, and it can alter your franchise, but usually it won't. And then you'll up winning big on the roullette table down the line.

But right now, I think winning is best for us. I'm most thankful that Brandon Knight has strung together some solid performances. It's come from putting him at the two. The better he plays, the more time Booker spends at the 3.

And since I'm covering so much ground here, I might as well throw this in:

Both of our offseason signings are glued to the bench. Like, stuck there. That's where they sit. JD for over a month now, and now Leandro's joined him there. Is that... is everyone really cool with that?

Did McD re-sign Jared Dudley so he could try to turn him into another Eric Bledsoe? :lol:

GO SUNS!!!!!!!

Edit: One last thing, as an addendum to all that.

Remember, we still got lottery tickets to punch in 2018/19 and 2021. Nothing's guaranteed in this world. But one thing's true in the NBA - there's nothing better than the freedom that comes from owning another team's downside when that team's time has come. And the Heat are freaking there, man. We're safe. It's time to play to win.
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Post#100 » by Kerrsed » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:14 am

suns91fan wrote:Check all top eight teams currently in the west and tell me how many of those teams are lead by a "franchise player who was secured by a top 3 pick"?

GSW - Curry, Thompson and Green picked outside top 5, and Durant acquired via FA.
SAS - Kawhi Leonard picked outside of top 5, as well as their vets Parker and Ginobili.
Rockets - Harden acquired through trade, and Houston gave up a few young players picked outside of top 5.
Clippers - Griffin was a 1st overall pick, and CP3 was acquired through FA.
Jazz - None of their leading players were among the top 5 picks. Ironically, their only top 5 pick was Exum, and he is not good.
Thunder - Led by Westbrook (a top 5 pick) right now and were ultimately unable to win it with KD.
Grizzlies - No recent top 5 picks.
Nuggets - Best player Jokic was picked in the 2nd round.

So apart from Griffin and Westbrook, all other players who lead their teams, were not top 5 picks. So tell me again, why exactly we need to secure a top pick?


I beg to differ. Durant was a top pick. Harden was a top 5 pick. Chris Paul was a top 5 pick. Conley was a top 5 pick. Gallinari was #6. Favors was the #3 pick. But you somehow found a way to excuse them from being on the list. Yes, Durant/Harden/CP3 were acquire through FA/Trades, but they were still top picks. Conley doesnt count....i guess because you added "recent" to their explanation for some reason. Favors? Played half of his rookie season for the Nets before spending the next 6 years with the Jazz. I guess he didnt make your list because technically he wasnt drafted by Utah? Gallinari has been pretty good for Denver, and except for his time spent injured, has been one of their best players, but he was left off your list because...you decided to ONLY list their best player. Your logic is flawed and the post is slanted to try to make whatever point you are insinuating look like out of all the playoff contenders, there are only 2 top 5 players, so having a top 5 pick really doesnt matter in the NBA, when that is not factual at all.

High draft picks get you a chance to draft a higher caliber of player. Its the FO who decides where they rank on the board. and having a higher pick allows the FO to get one of the guys that they have ranked higher and maybe a better fit than the rest. Thats why you need a good FO that can really scout these guys (and i think McD has done a STELLAR job doing that). Sure guys who have been drafted high sometimes fail, but that was on whatever FO decided to draft them that high. Bennett? Waiters? Would 25 out of 30 teams have drafted them as high as Cleveland did? I highly doubt it. Its because their FO sucked when it came to scouting. And because of one or two teams drafting bad, it causes the better players to fall in the draft and get picked a bit lower than they should. Hell, thats the whole reason why a top 5 pick is WAY more valuable than a #7 pick in trade bait. I mean by what your post was trying to insinuate, why would a team care to get a top 3 pick in trade when they can get a top 10 pick instead? I mean as your post pointed out, a top 5 drafted player really doesnt matter, right? :dontknow:
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