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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#81 » by bwgood77 » Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 pm

sunsbum wrote:I can only wonder what the people coming into our sub for the first time think when they see some of our fans talk about getting the 1st and 2nd pick or the 1st pick and KAT. I cant come back here. Good luck.


I almost said the first thing last night. We can't be happy getting the first pick. Now we need both of the top two guys. And think there is a chance! People must think our forum is nuts.
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Post#82 » by TeamTragic » Fri May 18, 2018 9:36 pm

sunsbum wrote:I can only wonder what the people coming into our sub for the first time think when they see some of our fans talk about getting the 1st and 2nd pick or the 1st pick and KAT. I cant come back here. Good luck.


Actually we are talking about trading up for Doncic. Memphis has mentioned that they are going to move their pick.
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Post#83 » by thamadkant » Fri May 18, 2018 9:47 pm

Regarding the Grizzlies open to trades because they missed on Doncic and Ayton...
if Doncic does fall to them, they'll just draft him and do what the Warriors did to the Suns with the Curry/Amare trade.


Suns have to trade pick(s) now IMO...

Offer,
- Warren
- Chriss
- Suns 2018 Pick 16
- Bucks 2019 Pick

for

Pick 4 and Parsons


They then re-sign Evans and run...

C: Gasol
PF: Green / Chriss
SF: Warren
SG: Evans
PG: Conley

and have a bunch of picks perfect as Gasol and Conley unwinds...
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Post#84 » by matt131 » Fri May 18, 2018 9:53 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
sunsbum wrote:I can only wonder what the people coming into our sub for the first time think when they see some of our fans talk about getting the 1st and 2nd pick or the 1st pick and KAT. I cant come back here. Good luck.


Actually we are talking about trading up for Doncic. Memphis has mentioned that they are going to move their pick.


Man...is Memphis really thinking about trading their pick? I have a hard time thinking Doncic falls to 4, but maybe...

You could somehow make a trade for 4, draft Doncic 1, and then (assuming Ayton is 2) take JJJ or Bamba 4. Maybe that is safer?

It would be unreal to take Ayton 1 and somehow get Sac to take Bagley, Atlanta to take JJJ, and land Doncic at 4. That would be the best draft outcome imaginable.

All of this is too much for me. I'm too stressed lol. I wonder if McD actually likes both Ayton and Doncic enough to try this.
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Post#85 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri May 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Kerrsed should really ban himself for a day or two for starting this thread :)
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Post#86 » by TeamTragic » Fri May 18, 2018 9:58 pm

matt131 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
sunsbum wrote:I can only wonder what the people coming into our sub for the first time think when they see some of our fans talk about getting the 1st and 2nd pick or the 1st pick and KAT. I cant come back here. Good luck.


Actually we are talking about trading up for Doncic. Memphis has mentioned that they are going to move their pick.


Man...is Memphis really thinking about trading their pick? I have a hard time thinking Doncic falls to 4, but maybe...

You could somehow make a trade for 4, draft Doncic 1, and then (assuming Ayton is 2) take JJJ or Bamba 4. Maybe that is safer?

It would be unreal to take Ayton 1 and somehow get Sac to take Bagley, Atlanta to take JJJ, and land Doncic at 4. That would be the best draft outcome imaginable.

All of this is too much for me. I'm too stressed lol. I wonder if McD actually likes both Ayton and Doncic enough to try this.


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Post#87 » by jcsunsfan » Fri May 18, 2018 10:04 pm

Now Atlanta is wanting to trade down. Now, I don't think they want to go down that far. I think they still want a top 8 player. They just want to add other assets.

https://clutchpoints.com/hawks-news-atlanta-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-in-2018-nba-draft/
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Post#88 » by Walt_Uoob » Fri May 18, 2018 10:15 pm

We know McDonough is a Danny Ainge protege so maybe the conspiracy he's trying to cook up is just something similar to what Ainge did with Philly/Fultz/Tatum: telegraph that he's going to take Ayton and help spread the rumor that Doncic won't play for Sacramento, so that Sacramento offers assets to move up and take Ayton. I'm one who would take Doncic first anyway, so if we can get WCS and Doncic for Ayton I'm totally on board.

Trading up for the Memphis pick is what really gets me excited though. Maybe in this scenario we flip WCS to Memphis as part of the deal and take JJJ/Bamba/Carter, or maybe we keep WCS and take Porter 4th.
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Post#89 » by SkinnyOMiller » Fri May 18, 2018 10:19 pm

Screw it, if we are going to dream big give me Doncic at #1 and then Bamba at #4. A legit defensive eraser at the basket to clean up the mistakes of Booker and Doncic.
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Post#90 » by darealjuice » Fri May 18, 2018 10:28 pm

Every GM with a top 5 pick saw Danny Ainge get a potential top pick and the #3 pick in exchange for the #1 pick last year and is wondering if they can do something similar lol
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Post#91 » by DirtyDez » Fri May 18, 2018 10:32 pm

Boston is trading up for Bamba.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
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Post#92 » by TeamTragic » Fri May 18, 2018 10:36 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Boston is trading up for Bamba.


Proof?
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Post#93 » by DirtyDez » Fri May 18, 2018 11:02 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Boston is trading up for Bamba.


Proof?


Prediction. Ainge/Stevens get their franchise fly swatter and surround him with elite wings.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#94 » by sunskerr » Fri May 18, 2018 11:09 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Boston is trading up for Bamba.


Proof?


Prediction. Ainge/Stevens get their franchise fly swatter and surround him with elite wings.


Seems like something they would do. They'll get ready to transition from Horford as he gets older, with little to no drop off as Bamba develops.
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Post#95 » by TeamTragic » Fri May 18, 2018 11:43 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540668/phoenix-suns-general-manager-ryan-mcdonough-certainly-open-dealing-no-1-pick

"I think a lot of what we do at 16 will be predicated with what we do at No. 1," McDonough said. "And it wouldn't make sense to draft guys at the same positions or similar positions at 1 and 16. So if we go with a big at 1, probably a perimeter player at 16 or vice versa. Another option we may have available given the number of assets we've accumulated, given the additional first-round picks we have coming from Milwaukee and Miami and the 31st pick -- the first pick in the second round -- we'll look at packaging to move up potentially, as well, if there's a player in the mid-to-late lottery that we like."

McDonough told reporters Tuesday after the lottery that the Suns were "very unlikely" to trade the pick. On Friday, he qualified that likelihood, saying an NBA veteran with several years left on his contract could turn the tide.

"Our biggest team needs are at the point guard slot and at the 5," McDonough said. "... Where we sit in this draft, those are two pretty good positions to address. But we won't look to just address those through the draft through young players. We'll also look at free-agent signing scenarios, we'll look at trade scenarios. We think and hope we're one of the more improved teams in the league next year."

NBA veterans who fit the mold that McDonough alluded to include centers Joel Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns and Nikola Jokic and point guards Ben Simmons, Donovan Mitchell and Damian Lillard.

"We think we've set up our roster that way without a lot of long-term contracts. We don't have many pieces we couldn't move if we needed to or wanted to, and we plan to take full advantage of that this summer."

McDonough lamented the recent past and said it was important for the mindset of a rebuilding team not to become a permanent outlook.

"It's been a painful three years in Phoenix as far as the rebuilding window," McDonough said. "It was targeted, it was strategic to do it for three years. We studied the league, we've studied other professional sports leagues in terms of how teams have rebuilt, what's the appropriate amount of time.

"I think if you don't do it for that amount of time, it's hard to accumulate enough young talent to build and grow for a sustainable period of time. If you rebuild for longer than three years, then the losing, I think, hurts your culture, and that seeps in a little bit."

McDonough said the Suns had interviewed 18 players in recent days at the combine.

"They're very polished, very bright guys," he said. "And I think if you look back at it historically, this will be a very good draft class in terms of the talent at the high end but also in terms of the depth."


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540410/top-draft-prospect-luka-doncic-shines-real-madrid-euroleague-final-four

NBA executives in Belgrade told ESPN that Doncic still has a wide range in this draft, as he's expected to get consideration from Phoenix with the No. 1 overall pick but also could slide as far as No. 4 to Memphis or No. 5 to Dallas should the Suns decide to pass on him. It is believed that Doncic and his advisers will have some say in where he ends up because of the leverage they hold, as he is still under contract with Real Madrid.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#96 » by LukasBMW » Sat May 19, 2018 12:07 am

The encouraging thing is that picks 2/3/4 belong to Sacramento/Atlanta/Memphis and Orlando has #6.

These are some of the WORST run franchises in Basketball. :lol:

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Post#97 » by Bogyo » Sat May 19, 2018 5:33 am

Nevertheless, I think we have an OK chance to move up to the top 6 with all of our assets. Draft picks, some good young players, and cap space.

I think there is little to none chance of getting Ayton and Doncic both, but there is a large enough chance to get Doncic and one of the bigs outside of Ayton, or Ayton and Young. Sign me up!

While the Kings and the Hawks are worse run than the Grizz I think we have the best chance there, as they have no draft pick next year, still have very solid players in Conley and Gasol under contract, and a couple of OK young guys on the wings, plus the horrid deal of Parsons.
TJ/16 for Parsons and 4 should do the trick. If not you think about adding 31 and/or Milwaukee, and you go with Ayton and Young.
If McD makes magic happen again, and he is 100000% abso-fn-lutely sure that Doncic will be there at 4, and the Grizz do not back out of the trade becouse of that, then offer TJ/Chriss/16/31/Milwaukee/ and one of our unprotected 2019 or 2021.

The Kings and Hawks desperatley need young talent - and there is just so much of it at the top of this class, that it does not make any sense to trade out for what we have to offer to them. They could be persuaded with other very good young guys under contract for a long time, but the teams with those might be reluctant to give them up, or they are overpaid a bit so Kings/Hawks wouldn't bite.
(Would Minny give up Wiggins for 3? Would the Hawks take it? Or Sac? Boston with one of Brown or Tatum plus Rozier? Bulls with LaVine? I'm sure there are a cpl other, just off the top of my head...These kind of things rarley happen though I think...)
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Post#98 » by jcsunsfan » Sat May 19, 2018 6:47 am

If you can get the #4 pick you take Ayton #1 and see if Doncic drops due to threats to stay in Europe. I think it is reasonable that Sacramento and Atlanta would pass on that. They would likely take Bagley and one of Porter, Jackson or Bamba.

If they do take Doncic. Then the Suns call their bluff and take Bamba or Porter (depending on health) and move on. They will probably come calling asking for a trade.

I think other teams will be swinging for the #4 pick though. If Atlanta is really in play, then Dallas will gun for it. Dallas is probably an OK destination for Doncic. So Atlanta could trade down a couple of spots, get the player they want, and add an asset.

Its a chess game.
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Post#99 » by thamadkant » Sat May 19, 2018 8:12 am

sunskerr wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Proof?


Prediction. Ainge/Stevens get their franchise fly swatter and surround him with elite wings.


Seems like something they would do. They'll get ready to transition from Horford as he gets older, with little to no drop off as Bamba develops.



Jaren Jackson Jr is better than Bamba since he can guard 3 positions probably 4....

Bamba wont play clutch minutes when the other team puts a 6'8 guy who can shoot 3s and drive around Bamba... Example.. put someone like Durant or Green.. or heck Lebron.



Jackson Jr is more mobile and almost as long... 6'11 and 7'5.25 wingspan.... and HANDS bigger than A.Davis... bigger than Bamba's too... so potential to catch lobs and protecting the ball in traffic.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#100 » by thamadkant » Sat May 19, 2018 8:17 am

jcsunsfan wrote:If you can get the #4 pick you take Ayton #1 and see if Doncic drops due to threats to stay in Europe. I think it is reasonable that Sacramento and Atlanta would pass on that. They would likely take Bagley and one of Porter, Jackson or Bamba.

If they do take Doncic. Then the Suns call their bluff and take Bamba or Porter (depending on health) and move on. They will probably come calling asking for a trade.

I think other teams will be swinging for the #4 pick though. If Atlanta is really in play, then Dallas will gun for it. Dallas is probably an OK destination for Doncic. So Atlanta could trade down a couple of spots, get the player they want, and add an asset.

Its a chess game.



Yup

If they still draft a unhappy Doncic...

Suns just drafts their fly swatter in Jackson Jr or Bamba next to Ayton... develop them as stretch shotblocking 5s... Jackson Jr is already one.


Grizzlies will want a truckload though.

- Warren, established scorer that helps NOW
- Chriss, a young player they hope can be a rotation down the line
- 2018 Suns Pick 16, draft a potential 2-way wing
- 2019 Bucks Pick, more assets
- Suns also absorb Parson's 50 Million dollar contract... so they have use cap space on useful players

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