2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[bhawk]

Tampering happens and it's not impossible but with so many parties involved (3 teams and an agent) it's running a real risk of the league coming down on folks if they believe this was prearranged.

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All of that's true but it does help that him and Booker are boys and talk all the time I'm sure and probably have at least discussed playing together when Dlo becomes a FA you'd have to think. After looking at this again though everyone else is going to have a very hard time beating Boston's package if Ainge really wants to get this done. If we want in on the trade then 6th for Smart and hopefully a lower Boston pick might be our best bet. Course that depends on what New Orleans values more: 6th pick or Smart. Idk what their front office thinks but Smart and Jrue somewhat overlap, a high pick might lineup better with Zion.

I really wonder if Boston actually makes an offer. I think Kyrie is gone regardless and that would be one hell of a risk on Boston's part to deal Tatum plus other assets for a guy whos camp has come out and said he doesn't want to go there. If he walked next summer they would be kind of screwed.

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THIS. This is not talked about enough. AD is in charge of his own destiny. Ainge will not give up big assets for a 1 year rental. Nor will any other team. The only way a AD trade works for ANY team is if AD signs long term. To my knowledge (so far), AD will play for 1) the Lakers, 2) the Lakers and 3) with Lebron. It is a one-horse race.

So maybe a 3-way with Boston and LA? NO gets Tatum, LA gets AD and Boston gets Ingram, Ball and filler? I don't know... Boston may just be OUT all together.

Great point Groove.

[Slim Charless]

Tampering happens and it's not impossible but with so many parties involved (3 teams and an agent) it's running a real risk of the league coming down on folks if they believe this was prearranged.

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All of that's true but it does help that him and Booker are boys and talk all the time I'm sure and probably have at least discussed playing together when Dlo becomes a FA you'd have to think. After looking at this again though everyone else is going to have a very hard time beating Boston's package if Ainge really wants to get this done. If we want in on the trade then 6th for Smart and hopefully a lower Boston pick might be our best bet. Course that depends on what New Orleans values more: 6th pick or Smart. Idk what their front office thinks but Smart and Jrue somewhat overlap, a high pick might lineup better with Zion.

THIS. This is not talked about enough. AD is in charge of his own destiny. Ainge will not give up big assets for a 1 year rental. Nor will any other team. The only way a AD trade works for ANY team is if AD signs long term. To my knowledge (so far), AD will play for 1) the Lakers, 2) the Lakers and 3) with Lebron. It is a one-horse race.

So maybe a 3-way with Boston and LA? NO gets Tatum, LA gets AD and Boston gets Ingram, Ball and filler? I don't know... Boston may just be OUT all together.

Great point Groove.

EDIT: Quoted wrong post. Reposted with the right quote.

I wonder if any team (Boston) would risk it anyway? The other teams that took a gamble on players that didnt wanna go there was OKC and Toronto. Worked for OKC in that Paul George resigned and by this time tomorrow Toronto might be world champs. The wins for both those teams might make it more likely GMs take some risks.

[TeamTragic]

Griffin about to make a **** trade. Him and McD should grab lunch together.

[49erhokie827]

Griffin about to make a **** trade. Him and McD should grab lunch together.

inside info or just a guess? lol

[TeamTragic]

Griffin about to make a **** trade. Him and McD should grab lunch together.

inside info or just a guess? lol

Maybe a hunch

[MathiasPW]

Griffin about to make a **** trade. Him and McD should grab lunch together.

inside info or just a guess? lol

Maybe a hunch

Well, it is very unlikely he will get what's been reported he is asking for. It's an insanely high price for a 1 year contract.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Griffin about to make a **** trade. Him and McD should grab lunch together.

inside info or just a guess? lol

Maybe a hunch

Ha yeah I'm curious to see what he lands in this. I will say I've long been a little confused why he was considered some sure fire awesome GM. His biggest accomplishment was getting LeBron back but that was really just LeBron wanting to come home.

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[Crives]

inside info or just a guess? lol

Maybe a hunch

Ha yeah I'm curious to see what he lands in this. I will say I've long been a little confused why he was considered some sure fire awesome GM. His biggest accomplishment was getting LeBron back but that was really just LeBron wanting to come home.

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It’s going to be a crazy fun basketball summer (as long as no new super teams in LA)

[Ghost of Kleine]

I’d throw up if we traded our pick for Ball or Smart. Just keep Tyler Johnson, sign Patrick Beverly.

I wouldn’t mind smart if we get back 14.

Exactly this!

Ball currently isn't worth the 6th pick with his shooting issues, struggles to finish at the rim, and injury history.

And Marcus Smart also isn't worth trading our 6th pick for IF we're not getting back the 14 in the trade, Or unless they're also willing to take salary off of our hands.

Also, I don't understand why so many people are looking for us to go out of our way to help the Flakers become a Superteam anyways???

It seems really counterproductive to help create another roadblock in our way to possibly making it back to the playoffs.

I'd much rather see Davis be sent out East. There's obviously better trades out there for us....

One that don't help Le' Douche and the pompous self diluted Flakers.

[Crives]

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[Slim Charless]

Honestly who the hell knows what Griffin values. Let's not forget Griffin gushed over McDs offseason last summer in an interview
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Someone on twitter mentioned the Blazers should trade CJ, Nurkic and a couple of firsts for him. That would probably be a good trade for both teams, but of course it's risky since AD likely walks.

A lot of teams outside of the Lakers, Knicks, etc, could put up decent deals.

Yeah Portland could jump in the mix and try to pull a Toronto type run. I've thought Denver might try although I think it would have made more sense for them to do it last deadline and make a run this post season. Houston will absolutely try to get in on this but it's hard to see how they could make it work.

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I've always thought that Denver was a sneaky AD spot. Him and Joker would be a monster combo to have to deal with for amy team. Murray, Harris and maybe MPJ (health withstanding) would get it done I'd imagine. If I was the Denver GM I'd be thinking about that.

[BobbieL]

Someone on twitter mentioned the Blazers should trade CJ, Nurkic and a couple of firsts for him. That would probably be a good trade for both teams, but of course it's risky since AD likely walks.

A lot of teams outside of the Lakers, Knicks, etc, could put up decent deals.

Yeah Portland could jump in the mix and try to pull a Toronto type run. I've thought Denver might try although I think it would have made more sense for them to do it last deadline and make a run this post season. Houston will absolutely try to get in on this but it's hard to see how they could make it work.

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I've always thought that Denver was a sneaky AD spot. Him and Joker would be a monster combo to have to deal with for amy team. Murray, Harris and maybe MPJ (health withstanding) would get it done I'd imagine. If I was the Denver GM I'd be thinking about that.

My guess Griffin would want Jokic

[Slim Charless]

Maybe a hunch

Ha yeah I'm curious to see what he lands in this. I will say I've long been a little confused why he was considered some sure fire awesome GM. His biggest accomplishment was getting LeBron back but that was really just LeBron wanting to come home.

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It’s going to be a crazy fun basketball summer (as long as no new super teams in LA)

Yup. I think we're about to have the craziest NBA summer in awhile. So many teams have a tons of cash and alot of all-nba guys are available.

[Fo-Real]

Maybe worth just mentioning. People on this board have expressed the importance players WANTING to come here. Oubre obviously has expressed his desire to be here. Randle a couple weeks ago mentioning us as a preferred destination and how this is great for our rep, how it points to recovering our respect that we have lost through these tough years. Let us not forget that Ball and his pops came out boldly this season and specifically basically requested the Suns to trade for him. He wanted no part of the Pels and requested publically he be routed to us. I think that counts for something. Im not saying he is or isnt worth the 6th pick or what it takes to get him but all this complete hate and acting like he would not be a HUGE upgrade and great peice is a farce. Kid pushes the ball like not many others. Kid plays with his head up, throws dimes and can get to the basked with the best of them. Kid plays really good defense and is very selfless. His shot isnt there yet but he is young much like Kidd early on he is a hard worker. He is dynamic like no one else that we have the chance of aquiring, I would love a Ball/ Book/ Oubre/ ****/ Ayton starting lineup at this point.

[BobbieL]

Maybe worth just mentioning. People on this board have expressed the importance players WANTING to come here. Oubre obviously has expressed his desire to be here. Randle a couple weeks ago mentioning us as a preferred destination and how this is great for our rep, how it points to recovering our respect that we have lost through these tough years. Let us not forget that Ball and his pops came out boldly this season and specifically basically requested the Suns to trade for him. He wanted no part of the Pels and requested publically he be routed to us. I think that counts for something. Im not saying he is or isnt worth the 6th pick or what it takes to get him but all this complete hate and acting like he would not be a HUGE upgrade and great peice is a farce. Kid pushes the ball like not many others. Kid plays with his head up, throws dimes and can get to the basked with the best of them. Kid plays really good defense and is very selfless. His shot isnt there yet but he is young much like Kidd early on he is a hard worker. He is dynamic like no one else that we have the chance of aquiring, I would love a Ball/ Book/ Oubre/ ****/ Ayton starting lineup at this point.

I get players want to come to Phoenix but I do think they have to be the RIGHT players too. I don't think Randle fits next to Ayton. I think a guy like LOoney, though limited offensively, for probably cheaper would be the defensive 4 the team needs over Randle. Jones needs to put together a TEAM and not just players. I do not like the fact Ball is not the best shooter but I do think with his ball handling, passing and defense - he might work next to Booker. But damn, the kid needs to get in the gym and shoot shoot shoot. And the Lakers WERE better with him this year on the court.

Now, if the Suns signed Randle - I would be interested to see how it works out as no doubt he has offensive skills.

[Fo-Real]

Maybe worth just mentioning. People on this board have expressed the importance players WANTING to come here. Oubre obviously has expressed his desire to be here. Randle a couple weeks ago mentioning us as a preferred destination and how this is great for our rep, how it points to recovering our respect that we have lost through these tough years. Let us not forget that Ball and his pops came out boldly this season and specifically basically requested the Suns to trade for him. He wanted no part of the Pels and requested publically he be routed to us. I think that counts for something. Im not saying he is or isnt worth the 6th pick or what it takes to get him but all this complete hate and acting like he would not be a HUGE upgrade and great peice is a farce. Kid pushes the ball like not many others. Kid plays with his head up, throws dimes and can get to the basked with the best of them. Kid plays really good defense and is very selfless. His shot isnt there yet but he is young much like Kidd early on he is a hard worker. He is dynamic like no one else that we have the chance of aquiring, I would love a Ball/ Book/ Oubre/ ****/ Ayton starting lineup at this point.

I get players want to come to Phoenix but I do think they have to be the RIGHT players too. I don't think Randle fits next to Ayton. I think a guy like LOoney, though limited offensively, for probably cheaper would be the defensive 4 the team needs over Randle. Jones needs to put together a TEAM and not just players. I do not like the fact Ball is not the best shooter but I do think with his ball handling, passing and defense - he might work next to Booker. But damn, the kid needs to get in the gym and shoot shoot shoot. And the Lakers WERE better with him this year on the court.

Now, if the Suns signed Randle - I would be interested to see how it works out as no doubt he has offensive skills.

No I agree on Randle, Iim using him in the example of finally having nba players say they want to play in PHX again. There is a reason he isnt in that starting lineup that I ended that post with. But Ball is a very dynamic very young pg on the level of De Aaron Fox I think, his shot can even stay ugly, just needs to get better at making it go in.

[Fo-Real]

We have been stressing on this board on what Richaun Holmes will get dollar wise, I really want to know what Deandre Jordan thinks he will get paid in this market. Getting older and less of a force, the way the game has changed makes the fact that he cant hit **** past 3 feet from the cup devalues him I think. What is his worth?

[Slim Charless]

Maybe worth just mentioning. People on this board have expressed the importance players WANTING to come here. Oubre obviously has expressed his desire to be here. Randle a couple weeks ago mentioning us as a preferred destination and how this is great for our rep, how it points to recovering our respect that we have lost through these tough years. Let us not forget that Ball and his pops came out boldly this season and specifically basically requested the Suns to trade for him. He wanted no part of the Pels and requested publically he be routed to us. I think that counts for something. Im not saying he is or isnt worth the 6th pick or what it takes to get him but all this complete hate and acting like he would not be a HUGE upgrade and great peice is a farce. Kid pushes the ball like not many others. Kid plays with his head up, throws dimes and can get to the basked with the best of them. Kid plays really good defense and is very selfless. His shot isnt there yet but he is young much like Kidd early on he is a hard worker. He is dynamic like no one else that we have the chance of aquiring, I would love a Ball/ Book/ Oubre/ ****/ Ayton starting lineup at this point.

I get players want to come to Phoenix but I do think they have to be the RIGHT players too. I don't think Randle fits next to Ayton. I think a guy like LOoney, though limited offensively, for probably cheaper would be the defensive 4 the team needs over Randle. Jones needs to put together a TEAM and not just players. I do not like the fact Ball is not the best shooter but I do think with his ball handling, passing and defense - he might work next to Booker. But damn, the kid needs to get in the gym and shoot shoot shoot. And the Lakers WERE better with him this year on the court.

Now, if the Suns signed Randle - I would be interested to see how it works out as no doubt he has offensive skills.

No I agree on Randle, Iim using him in the example of finally having nba players say they want to play in PHX again. There is a reason he isnt in that starting lineup that I ended that post with. But Ball is a very dynamic very young pg on the level of De Aaron Fox I think, his shot can even stay ugly, just needs to get better at making it go in.

I could even live with a lower shot % as long he gets to the line and can hit his FTs. If he can penetrate, draw fouls and then make teams pay by upping his free throw percentage along all the other things that he already does really well, then he'd be a huge improvement over any PG we've had since Nash.

Also, him actually wanting to be here is a huge plus that shouldnt be over looked

[Wilber85]

Maybe worth just mentioning. People on this board have expressed the importance players WANTING to come here. Oubre obviously has expressed his desire to be here. Randle a couple weeks ago mentioning us as a preferred destination and how this is great for our rep, how it points to recovering our respect that we have lost through these tough years. Let us not forget that Ball and his pops came out boldly this season and specifically basically requested the Suns to trade for him. He wanted no part of the Pels and requested publically he be routed to us. I think that counts for something. Im not saying he is or isnt worth the 6th pick or what it takes to get him but all this complete hate and acting like he would not be a HUGE upgrade and great peice is a farce. Kid pushes the ball like not many others. Kid plays with his head up, throws dimes and can get to the basked with the best of them. Kid plays really good defense and is very selfless. His shot isnt there yet but he is young much like Kidd early on he is a hard worker. He is dynamic like no one else that we have the chance of aquiring, I would love a Ball/ Book/ Oubre/ ****/ Ayton starting lineup at this point.

I like this take though. #6 for Ball (I am 100% in for this) yes he cant shoot right now, and y'all are worried about this. Give him some time. We don't need him to score 20 ppg. We need him to get about 12/10 assists and play good defense & rebound. Also get us Randle , he wants to be here. Oubre as well , keep him!!! Keep Jackson, TJ, and warren. Let's roll

Ball, TJ
Booker, Bridges, Jackson
Oubre, Warren, Jackson
Randle, Warren
Ayton, Bender for cheap or Dedmon

Let's run it !!! depth

[Slim Charless]

Yeah Portland could jump in the mix and try to pull a Toronto type run. I've thought Denver might try although I think it would have made more sense for them to do it last deadline and make a run this post season. Houston will absolutely try to get in on this but it's hard to see how they could make it work.

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I've always thought that Denver was a sneaky AD spot. Him and Joker would be a monster combo to have to deal with for amy team. Murray, Harris and maybe MPJ (health withstanding) would get it done I'd imagine. If I was the Denver GM I'd be thinking about that.

My guess Griffin would want Jokic

I mean yeah so would I if i was him but realistically Denver wouldnt do that. All they need to do is beat out w/e NYK, LAL and Boston puts up. Thats a starting backcourt for pelicans and a guy who if healthy woulda gone in the 1st five picks last year. Not a bad return.

For the record tho i don't want AD in the west I'd love it if he heads somewhere on the east and he takes Durant there with him to anywhere in that conference.