The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Fo-Real]

It says more about the Suns than anything. Like with this season, Bud was a complete failure but he's never failed to this extent before in his career and it just feels like an issue bigger than him. Likewise with Vogel, I think both have to take some responsibility for disappointing seasons but at the end of the day the buck stops with the Ishbia.

Crazy thing is, Bud was even on the hot seat during the year they beat us for the championship. He saved his job!! Something put him in the crosshairs of that back then and it only bought him 2 more seasons. THATS NOT NOTHING!!

He would've been fired if he didn't win that one year, I think that was almost a certainty. I just think that both Vogel and Bud have shown themselves to be, at the very least, very competent NBA head coaches who have done great things wherever they've gone. Sure you get to a certain point in your HC tenure with a team when high expectations meets actual team achievement and sometimes that mismatch is enough to get you fired despite not having a bad team per se. I think both Vogel and Bud got to that point with their respective teams before the Suns.

With the Suns, I just feel like it was beyond them. Again, I don't want to take away their responsibility but when you have two ex championship winning coaches getting the boot in back to back seasons and they weren't able to get more out of a relatively talented team, it's really more of a roster/team issue than coaching at that point.

Possibilities....... Can't make it work because you are part of the problem...(..."change who you are as a player.... my system works and I won't accept any other answers " ) . The fact that WHOLE COACHING STAFFS should be deemed trash AND NONE RETAINED if that coach is right. We kept people from both after. Player coaches seem to survive, Mark ( just got called for a foul), West is a knicks staff coach. We seem to have had 3 head coaches in a row that are known behind the scenes for rubbing players the wrong way BEHIND THE SCENES! I dont doubt we have volital players mentally, but the coaches all match the modus of operations, we went for it! **** didn't work and someone will be blamed! We have also had players who have been deemed potentially toxic (Paul, Ayton, Crowder, Durant, Nurk, Beal, KD....etc), BEEN GOING FOR IT!! There is always someone to blame. Who people blame is subjective. NEXT!!!

[Rebound Mound]

If it's true that Bud asked Beal to be like Jrue then that's just silly.


Bud should have asked Beal to be the Derrick White of the Suns. A spot shooter while on with KD and Booker.
Similarly Bud should have asked Booker to give KD the first option role until he gets tired.

But I think Booker and KD didn't care and just wanted to shoot hoops rather than be syrategic

I think there's two things here.

1. Asking Beal to be someone he might consider to be more of a role player which he may have taken as an insult. I don't agree with it because Jrue is a fantastic 3rd piece on two title teams. But that's just how he may have taken it. My point being, it might not have really mattered who he asked him to be (unless it was Beal be Beal or something).

2. There's been some reports that the approach Bud took wasn't conducive to Beal accepting the suggested role. Nobody knows exactly how he approach Beal but that's just what has been mentioned.

Holiday and White are players that are not required to perform at a high level offensively. But they have grown over the years. Especially White is a great surprise at the level he has been contributing offensively, but not letting small things unattended.

Beal's case is completely different, because he is an offensive threat from whom you require to do other things and compromise in a more specific, defensive role that clearly he is not going to embrace.

If they are not going to trade either Booker nor Beal, I still believe they can coexist on the court. Most teams do not have a real PG these days and they have success. Nobody can tell me that Shail is a PG, but OKC works offensively (based on a great defensive work).

[Djedefre]

These candidates are... unsettling. Ok, you can maybe argue Quinn has learned a lot working for a decade with Spo. Guys like Fizdale and Borrego are straight-up frauds, few of Ishbia's MSU buddies (as per usual) and others have no CV whatsoever, so it's going to be a lottery for us, pretty much. Horrific time to be a Suns fan, indeed. All this when competition is at it's worst in a deacade and a half and winning the chip was never more feasible. Sheesh.

[Puff]

What happens when our new coach gets out of alignment? You know, there are a lot of potholes in the NBA.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

I keep telling people that the draft is rigged. Destination outcomes dependent upon ratings, market revenue and other illicit factors. Just like the systems in Vegas. Set up to make people think it's all more luck/ chance.

But ultimately it's a very calculated system outcome. Eventually people will discover this fully if it isn't already obvious by now.

[Sunsdeuce]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

[Darklight]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

[Saberestar]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

[Saberestar]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

I wouldn't do it.

MPJ + Zeke + filler for Bradley Beal looks fair to me. He could start for you at SG and Braun can play as a SF or 6th man role.

[dremill24]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

I wouldn't do it.

MPJ + Zeke + filler for Bradley Beal looks fair to me. He could start for you at SG and Braun can play as a SF or 6th man role.

I think getting Braun and that pick would be nice, those are both pretty good assets. Braun is a stud, I dont really think Denver would even put him on the table tbh.

[Fo-Real]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

I wouldn't do it.

MPJ + Zeke + filler for Bradley Beal looks fair to me. He could start for you at SG and Braun can play as a SF or 6th man role.

What you did there.. I see it!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Paul George's contract might be the worst in the league. That man is toast. But if this isn't the deal, I don't know what is.

... any chance Houston would be willing to send us one of our unprotected future firsts back to swap #3 and #10?

... is #3 and Booker enough for Giannis as part of a three-team deal? Giannis wouldn't end up here, obviously.

If nothing else, having a #3 pick to watch develop might make the next few years bearable. Is VJ Edgecombe really the guy? Another SG... yeesh! I'll go check some highlights.

[KdoubleDees23]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

I wouldn't do it.

MPJ + Zeke + filler for Bradley Beal looks fair to me. He could start for you at SG and Braun can play as a SF or 6th man role.

I think getting Braun and that pick would be nice, those are both pretty good assets. Braun is a stud, I dont really think Denver would even put him on the table tbh.

Braun is trash. Hes just a hustle player, not a star.

I wouldnt give up KD for MPJ and that dumpfire.

[KdoubleDees23]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Paul George's contract might be the worst in the league. That man is toast. But if this isn't the deal, I don't know what is.

... any chance Houston would be willing to send us one of our unprotected future firsts back to swap #3 and #10?

... is #3 and Booker enough for Giannis as part of a three-team deal? Giannis wouldn't end up here, obviously.

If nothing else, having a #3 pick to watch develop might make the next few years bearable. Is VJ Edgecombe really the guy? Another SG... yeesh! I'll go check some highlights.

I would take PG13 as a leader and vocal in the locker room over KD. Also, why trade 3 for 10. Take BPA at 3.

There are 3 players I would look into

Edgecome , Ace Bailey or Fears

if you want to take a chance with a big. Trade back a couple and get Khaman Maluach

[BobbieL]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Paul George's contract might be the worst in the league. That man is toast. But if this isn't the deal, I don't know what is.

... any chance Houston would be willing to send us one of our unprotected future firsts back to swap #3 and #10?

... is #3 and Booker enough for Giannis as part of a three-team deal? Giannis wouldn't end up here, obviously.

If nothing else, having a #3 pick to watch develop might make the next few years bearable. Is VJ Edgecombe really the guy? Another SG... yeesh! I'll go check some highlights.

If the Suns trade PG13 for Durant, even getting the 3rd pick - they deserve whatever happens to them record wise. His contract is terrible.

The allure of that 3rd pick will be offset by how terrible George is. Plus again, George is a Beta player like Durant

[Djedefre]

If you exclude Flagg, this draft class is not exactly inspiring at the top. Not sure it's worth trading up and losing more assets just to get a meh player like Harper or a huge gamble like Bailey or turnover machine like Fears. I'm pretty confident one of Thiero/Broome will be available @29 and that's good enough considering our current position. Durant and Booker trade should land us more picks, but i'm not so sure if we should use them this year.

[TeamTragic]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Can we expand this to a three or four team deal? I would send PG to a third team and get back assets.

[Saberestar]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Can we expand this to a three or four team deal? I would send PG to a third team and get back assets.

You aren't getting assets for PG. He has a negative value around the league.

Usually #3 isn't on the market. The Sixers probably would try to trade PG next to that high pick to get a very good player back.

[TeamTragic]

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Can we expand this to a three or four team deal? I would send PG to a third team and get back assets.

You aren't getting assets for PG. He has a negative value around the league.

Usually #3 isn't on the market. The Sixers probably would try to trade PG next to that high pick to get a very good player back.

Sixers are not getting a very good player back for taking on a major tax burden.

We are talking the #3 pick and the dropoff after #1/2 is huge.

[Fo-Real]

George's contract further handicaps you for 3 more years. Technically, KD is an expiring next year if you dont wanna extend him. I one. Don't think #3 is worth it AND don't really see the Sixers doing it. When the league talks about the worst contract in the league (Beal's), the only one the mention as bad or possibly worse is Paul George. Plus, he and Book dont like eachother!!