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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#801 » by thamadkant » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:39 pm

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1UPZ wrote:I actually have less confidence on Hornacek this season. As a motivator, he is good, but actual plays and Xs/Os, he is yet to prove he is "good". This season, the wins primarily came from players getting hot. Giving up big leads, not calling time outs, not yanking out players taking terrible shots etc.

McD I have FULL trust.... Hornacek?... I've lost a little bit this season..

I think it's impossible to tell because there have been so many times the players on the floor flat out aren't running plays being called. This has been noted by Coro, Petersen, and King numerous times. I'm surprised Hornacek has any hair left at this point.



And I've said this on my longer post reply to Bigfoot.

However coaching includes having control of your team. I'm sure Hornacek is a smart guy and an absolute basketball intellect...


He is simply too nice, doesn't scold or likes to put players in the dog house and a lot of players don't follow orders.

But if Hornacek wants to have a long successful NBA career he needs to start bringing out his mean side. Someone jacks a shot outside of planned play? Time out yank him out to prove a point that he is serious. Up by 15 points and the team starts to lose focus keeping it? Call a time out replace the players being complacent with some defenders until they refocus.

Players stopping ball movement and taking lower percentage shots? Time out, make an example and shove the play book on their faces.
The contenders today minus maybe Warriors have very discipline focus coaches.

Hornacek has young players that need to be disciplined in order to develop correctly.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#802 » by thamadkant » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:43 pm

Reggie Bullock?

He does have that scrappy defensive potential.

If NotTraxxe's rumor is accurate, Suns want to establish a defensive focus team who can still run and have inside/outside options.
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Post#803 » by JDLAW » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:44 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
JDLAW wrote:

Sorry not buying this for a minute.


I don't either.
it's all how you interpret traxx message. I don't think anyone should be surprised plumlee, green, or IT are very available. Dragic and the twins are a little more surprising but **** at this point in the team building process ANYONE should be available for the right price if it makes the team better long term.

As far as the teams: Chicago and Houston are the two most obvious Dragic destinations if they decide to move him. And Orlando has some young pieces the suns could covet.

Don't think anything he posted is that shocking. But I wouldn't interpret it as the suns are looking to give away the guys on the block.

Really it's after this crazy hard stretch of games the suns should make trade decisions. If they are still in it come the 1st week in February then maybe you make a win now move. But if they tailspin and get passed by the thunder then maybe it's time to punt on this year and make a move or two with next year in mind.

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He has never been the model of clarity and way more often than not his information or misinformation comes from places that are not the Suns. Every team called other teams to gauge the value of their players - it does not mean they are "on the block" or that there is any interest in trading them.

There really are no players or assets available from Chicago or Houston that would net Dragic. Houston has nothing of interest at all to the Suns except the NOP pick and Chicago is not giving up Noah, Butler, Rose, Mitroc or Gasol. I suppose you could obtain Gibson, but he is no upgrade. I do not see Orlando having any interest in the players mentioned.

I suspect that if any calls were made by the Suns they are simply to gauge the value of players and not for the purpose of trading them. AND before anyone chastises me and says it is all one and the same - it is not.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#804 » by RaisingArizona » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:47 pm

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Qwigglez wrote: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Agreed. IT/Morris bros/Green very low b-ball IQ.

Markieff probably has the highest basketball IQ on this team.


He's also the guy who shoots the best percentage by far down the stretch.
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Post#805 » by letsgosuns » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:52 pm

1UPZ wrote:
carey wrote:
1UPZ wrote:I actually have less confidence on Hornacek this season. As a motivator, he is good, but actual plays and Xs/Os, he is yet to prove he is "good". This season, the wins primarily came from players getting hot. Giving up big leads, not calling time outs, not yanking out players taking terrible shots etc.

McD I have FULL trust.... Hornacek?... I've lost a little bit this season..

I think it's impossible to tell because there have been so many times the players on the floor flat out aren't running plays being called. This has been noted by Coro, Petersen, and King numerous times. I'm surprised Hornacek has any hair left at this point.



And I've said this on my longer post reply to Bigfoot.

However coaching includes having control of your team. I'm sure Hornacek is a smart guy and an absolute basketball intellect...


He is simply too nice, doesn't scold or likes to put players in the dog house and a lot of players don't follow orders.

But if Hornacek wants to have a long successful NBA career he needs to start bringing out his mean side. Someone jacks a shot outside of planned play? Time out yank him out to prove a point that he is serious. Up by 15 points and the team starts to lose focus keeping it? Call a time out replace the players being complacent with some defenders until they refocus.

Players stopping ball movement and taking lower percentage shots? Time out, make an example and shove the play book on their faces.
The contenders today minus maybe Warriors have very discipline focus coaches.

Hornacek has young players that need to be disciplined in order to develop correctly.


Hornacek lets the players get away with a lot of stuff that a coach like Popovich would never let happen. Thomas and Green would be benched immediately if they did half the stuff they do on the Spurs. The Spurs are the epitome of perfect execution, ball movement, and professionalism. That all starts with Popovich. I see him scold his players and the referees as well if he does not like what is going on. Sometimes he calls time outs 15 seconds into a quarter if he is not happy with what his team did. He is the best coach in the league. Hornacek gives his players so much rope. He should become more like Popovich. I hope Hornacek becomes stricter with his rotations if players do not do what they are supposed to.
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Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#806 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:53 pm

Archie Goodwin doesn't seem interested in this game..


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Post#807 » by bigfoot » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:57 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Archie Goodwin doesn't seem interested in this game..


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Earl Barron tearing it up though. I recall Earl played really well in preseason. Swap him and Plumlee.
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Post#808 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:57 pm

I would love to get Mirotic. He's almost Dirk like in just his first NBA season. I would trade the Lakers pick and anyone not named Len/Bledsoe.
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Post#809 » by gaspar » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:58 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Archie Goodwin doesn't seem interested in this game..


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He looks awful. Barron is killing it.
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Post#810 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:03 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I would love to get Mirotic. He's almost Dirk like in just his first NBA season. I would trade the Lakers pick and anyone not named Len/Bledsoe.
me too. I've been a mirotic guy for a while now. Absolutely love how he would fit with len.

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Post#811 » by bigfoot » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:05 pm

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Archie Goodwin doesn't seem interested in this game..


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He looks awful. Barron is killing it.


He's a beast rebounding the ball. Actually has a 3pt shot too.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#812 » by bigfoot » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:07 pm

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Archie Goodwin doesn't seem interested in this game..


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He looks awful. Barron is killing it.


He's a beast rebounding the ball. Actually has a 3pt shot too.


17 pts and 13rbds by Barron. Not bad for the 1st half.
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Post#813 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:08 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I would love to get Mirotic. He's almost Dirk like in just his first NBA season. I would trade the Lakers pick and anyone not named Len/Bledsoe.
me too. I've been a mirotic guy for a while now. Absolutely love how he would fit with len.

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The funny thing is the Bulls have all their bases covered. All their positions are locked down except maybe an upgrade at SF, but they got McDermott and even Mirotic can slide in that position.
Regardless, I wonder if they would go for a win-now approach and take Gerald Green and the Lakers 1st? I doubt it, lol. The Bulls have a very high-IQ team going right now.
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Post#814 » by suns91fan » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:10 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I think the Suns might be fed up with the Morris twins attitudes now. The organization can cover up all they want about the Marcus Morris incident not being a big deal or how Markieff blowing off reporters after the game is over with but I am not buying it. Not to mention their large amount of technical fouls. And more importantly, they are and always have been inconsistent. Some nights Markieff dominates his opponents like he did against the Cavaliers with 35 points. Other games like the previous two against the Grizzlies and Spurs, he gets dominated. 17 points and 6 rebounds against the Grizzlies while Randolph had 27 points and 17 rebounds. Then against the Spurs he had 3 points and 8 rebounds. It is hard to rely on him because you never know how he is going to play. Everybody saw Randolph abusing him literally the whole game against the Grizzlies and Randolph had just come back from injury. Markieff is not a good rebounder, not a good defender, and not all that athletic. He has a good mid range game and hits some clutch shots. I also remember last year he dominated Kevin Love when he was on the Wolves just like he dominated him this time. So while he was great this most recent game, I also remember how bad he was against the Spurs.




Where's your facts to back that up? I've watched every game this year and Kieff has played well in all of them except 3. Kieff wasn't the only one guarding Randolph. Check the tape on that one, too.

Kieff is a decent rebounder and is actually pretty athletic. You're obviously just biased beyond belief on the topic.


Competely agree! If there was a one consistent player for the Suns this season, then its Kieff. Expecting him to not have a single bad game during a season is impossible. No NBA player can do that. He might not be the best defender or rebounder, but he is not bad in those segments either. I bet all those people who claim he is a bad rebounder do nothing but check that he averages 6 rebounds per game, and conclude that he is a bad defender. Wrong! It's about how the team handles roles. Some times have two big guys who grab all the rebounds while other guys on the floor do not even attempt to contest it. That's fine, and it's one of the ways you can do it. In Suns team, you have guys like Bledsoe and Tucker who consistently help with the boards. And that's fine too, it's the other way you can do it. You can't expect Kieff to average 10 RPG in such system. Best example is Aldridge. His RPG/36 few seasons ago was what some people would say "very bad for a big man". Suddenly he averages almost 11 RPG. What happened? Did he become good rebounder over night? No. It's just system that changed. Their team started boxing out a lot better with the addition of Lopez (who was a very different type of center than what they previously had). And it impacted Aldridge as well. The reason why Suns right now, are not a good rebounding team, is because our centers are very young and inexperienced. Len is already improving nicely, and with time, his boxing out will improve too, making more space for everyone to rebound the ball more.
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Post#815 » by letsgosuns » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:12 pm

Does anyone know anything about Reggie Bullock who Marc Stein is reporting the Suns want. Stein said a potential deal for Rivers to the Clippers could be done by today. So if Stein is correct about the Suns being the third team, the Suns could be acquiring Bullock very soon. The only thing I know about Bullock is what I just read about him and some highlights I watched on youtube. He looks like a really big and strong 6-7 shooting guard that does a lot of shooting coming off screens. He seems like a great shooter. If the Suns are interested in getting him and he is a shooting guard, then I definitely think there is another trade coming. Goodwin and Ennis are already sitting on the bench. Why bring in a 23 year old second year shooting guard to have him sit on the bench too. Taking into account what Traxxe mentioned today, I think the Suns have something really big planned.
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Post#816 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:18 pm

^I'm hoping for some kind of shake up of the roster. The team vibe hasn't looked the same this year as it did last year.
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Post#817 » by letsgosuns » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:20 pm

Not basing my opinion on stats or anything like that, I do not think Markieff is a good rebounder. I am basing it on the eye test. I watch him and think he is poor rebounder. That is all. I also think he is a bad defender too. I bashed him a lot earlier in the year but have not really said anything about him in a long time. He has played pretty well for a while now even though I still think he is inconsistent.
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Post#818 » by Flying Colors » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:35 pm

Man i think Markieff is getting wayyy too much crap here
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Post#819 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:37 pm

The bullock situation is interesting. Suns don't have a roster spot or minutes to give him. I guess they could just be asset gathering and simply trade a 2nd rounder then cut Zoran or Randolph. More likely is someone else is headed out. I guess it could be something like ennis or Goodwin out and bullock and some pick coming back.

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Post#820 » by alldayeveryday » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:40 pm

Flying Colors wrote:Man i think Markieff is getting wayyy too much crap here


Agreed.

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