Official Trade Thread: How to Trade Your Dragon

[Revived]

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[tgtm_24]

I think between us all here we could all step in and run the FO right?

[SunsFanSSOL]

Woj on Fox Sports 1: Acrimony has only grown between Goran and the Suns.

Suns have no interest in trading him to his preferred destinations.

[RaisingArizona]

I hate Mark Cuban but even I have to admit he is a good owner and Players want to go to the Mavs because of him. Owners make a world of difference. Lets be honest here, Sarver has been a train wreck. Colangelo probably regrets his decision to sell to Sarver every frickin day.

If I ever win the big powerball, I will attempt to buy the team. I think suns fans and the state of AZ deserve the Suns to return to their glory days.

[DaleyBlind]

So based on Drsgic's comments today, he can't have been happy playing with Bledsoe.

Thats how im interpreting it.

Dragic wants to be the starting PG who initiates the offense. Winning doesn't really matter, Its all about his role on the team and obviously money.

[3rdside]

Given Dragic's statement that he hasn't been happy for two years now, his problem seems to be with no being The Man.ght, In that I think the FO's mistake was in not dealing Dragic earlier. I suspect they really wanted to keep Dragic and wanted to make it work. That's about the only think I can really fault McD for - trying too hard to keep Dragic happy when it wasn't ever going to happen. Hopefully, the Suns can get a good return back for him and we can look forward to the young guys taking the next step.

Not exactly - his problem is that we had a winning blue print for a team with Dragic at the helm and RMcD has gone and paid (Bledsoe) and recruited (IT); questionable character guys and bad team fits (the latter probably only in IT's case) who've taken over and ruined team style and chemistry.

Phrasing it like it's Dragic's primadonna fault is simply wrong and fuels the propaganda fire. Yes Dragic possibly could have handled the fallout better but it sounds like he was at it's wits end after seeking out RMcD a number of times with his concerns but nothing changed.

Again, Blame RMcD and Hornacek but this one is not on Dragic.

[DaleyBlind]

Woj on Fox Sports 1: Acrimony has only grown between Goran and the Suns.

Suns have no interest in trading him to his preferred destinations.

Good, suck it Goran. Just look for the best deal and get rid of him.

[RaisingArizona]

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As we're finding out, players only care about $$$. There is no loyalty from either side in the NBA.

[3rdside]

So based on Drsgic's comments today, he can't have been happy playing with Bledsoe.

Thats how im interpreting it.

1. Dragic wants to be the starting PG who initiates the offense. 2. Winning doesn't really matter, Its all about his role on the team and obviously money.

1. Correct - he's done it before and didn't the Suns do exceptionally well.
2. Total horse sh*t - you see the video of post-Houston game that's been posted a couple of times? He cares about winning; sounds like the rest of the team doesn't.

[tgtm_24]

So based on Drsgic's comments today, he can't have been happy playing with Bledsoe.

Thats how im interpreting it.

Dragic wants to be the starting PG who initiates the offense. Winning doesn't really matter, Its all about his role on the team and obviously money.

If your supposed captain doesn't have a team first attitude, difficult for others to buy in. Never a dull moment being a Suns fan.

[SarcasticSun]

Given Dragic's statement that he hasn't been happy for two years now, his problem seems to be with no being The Man.ght, In that I think the FO's mistake was in not dealing Dragic earlier. I suspect they really wanted to keep Dragic and wanted to make it work. That's about the only think I can really fault McD for - trying too hard to keep Dragic happy when it wasn't ever going to happen. Hopefully, the Suns can get a good return back for him and we can look forward to the young guys taking the next step.

Not exactly - his problem is that we had a winning blue print for a team with Dragic at the helm and RMcD has gone and paid (Bledsoe) and recruited (IT); questionable character guys and bad team fits (the latter probably only in IT's case) who've taken over and ruined team style and chemistry.

Phrasing it like it's Dragic's primadonna fault is simply wrong and fuels the propaganda fire. Yes Dragic possibly could have handled the fallout better but it sounds like he was at it's wits end after seeking out RMcD a number of times with his concerns but nothing changed.

Again, Blame RMcD and Hornacek but this one is not on Dragic.

Ha, Bledsoe is a questionable character guy??

[Qwigglez]

In essence, Dragic can be part of that group you mentioned that "only care about their stats than winning"
Since he wants to be the main man foremost and get paid, over improving chemistry and sacrificing role.

Suns really need to take a page away from the Spurs recruitment process, they only trade for or sign players that have the "soldier" mentality.
I've never seen David Robinson complain of lacking touches when they got Tim Duncan, instead Robinson took Duncan as an apprentice and sacrificed his game in order to maximise Duncan which lead to their first championship.
Then Duncan sacrificing MONEY and ROLE in order for the Spurs to re-sign key players and keep the competitive edge, Ginobili on the same boat.
Dirk Nowitski is also another player who has shown willingness to sacrifice money and role for the betterment of the team.

Suns need players like these, doesn’t have be 15 out 15, but atleast several, so it sets up a tone of "sacrifice" which makes other players take notice, which is also great for the young players.

Gotta agree with you to some degree. McD has been trying to find a diamond in the rough with all the players he's acquired, so everyone is out trying to get their own. It's not good basketball. And I'm getting tired of watching this iso-crap YMCA style of play. It's so sickening. How we are above .500 just shows we have talented players, but its just not team basketball.

[Desert_Devil]

Given Dragic's statement that he hasn't been happy for two years now, his problem seems to be with no being The Man.ght, In that I think the FO's mistake was in not dealing Dragic earlier. I suspect they really wanted to keep Dragic and wanted to make it work. That's about the only think I can really fault McD for - trying too hard to keep Dragic happy when it wasn't ever going to happen. Hopefully, the Suns can get a good return back for him and we can look forward to the young guys taking the next step.

Not exactly - his problem is that we had a winning blue print for a team with Dragic at the helm and RMcD has gone and paid (Bledsoe) and recruited (IT); questionable character guys and bad team fits (the latter probably only in IT's case) who've taken over and ruined team style and chemistry.

Phrasing it like it's Dragic's primadonna fault is simply wrong and fuels the propaganda fire. Yes Dragic possibly could have handled the fallout better but it sounds like he was at it's wits end after seeking out RMcD a number of times with his concerns but nothing changed.

Again, Blame RMcD and Hornacek but this one is not on Dragic.

I'll blame who I want, TYVM.

Dragic is not a guy to build a team around, especially with all the athletic PGs in the West. He can't defend guys like Paul, Westbrook, Lillard or even Conley. Bledsoe can. He's also younger and can hold up to contact better than Goran. Did everyone forget how Dragic broke down at the end of last season? And you all think he's a guys we should give a long-term deal to? His playing style is not conducive to a long, successful playing career. He just doesn't have the physique to hold up the the beating. Better to cut bait now.

[gaspar]

So based on Drsgic's comments today, he can't have been happy playing with Bledsoe.

Thats how im interpreting it.

1. Dragic wants to be the starting PG who initiates the offense. 2. Winning doesn't really matter, Its all about his role on the team and obviously money.

1. Correct - he's done it before and didn't the Suns do exceptionally well.
2. Total horse sh*t - you see the video of post-Houston game that's been posted a couple of times? He cares about winning; sounds like the rest of the team doesn't.

1. No, they didn't.
2. He cares about winning so much that he asked for a trade to the Lakers and Knicks.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Given Dragic's statement that he hasn't been happy for two years now, his problem seems to be with no being The Man. In that light, I think the FO's mistake was in not dealing Dragic earlier. I suspect they really wanted to keep Dragic and wanted to make it work. That's about the only think I can really fault McD for - trying too hard to keep Dragic happy when it wasn't ever going to happen. Hopefully, the Suns can get a good return back for him and we can look forward to the young guys taking the next step.

I totally agree. To me the biggest mistake McD made was not trading Goran this summer when his value was at its peak.

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The fans (and Sarver) would run him out of town if he traded Goran last summer.

sure it wouldn't have been a popular move but I want a gm who has the power from the ownership and balls to make an unpopular move if it's for the best.

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[tgtm_24]

Given Dragic's statement that he hasn't been happy for two years now, his problem seems to be with no being The Man.ght, In that I think the FO's mistake was in not dealing Dragic earlier. I suspect they really wanted to keep Dragic and wanted to make it work. That's about the only think I can really fault McD for - trying too hard to keep Dragic happy when it wasn't ever going to happen. Hopefully, the Suns can get a good return back for him and we can look forward to the young guys taking the next step.

Not exactly - his problem is that we had a winning blue print for a team with Dragic at the helm and RMcD has gone and paid (Bledsoe) and recruited (IT); questionable character guys and bad team fits (the latter probably only in IT's case) who've taken over and ruined team style and chemistry.

Phrasing it like it's Dragic's primadonna fault is simply wrong and fuels the propaganda fire. Yes Dragic possibly could have handled the fallout better but it sounds like he was at it's wits end after seeking out RMcD a number of times with his concerns but nothing changed.

Again, Blame RMcD and Hornacek but this one is not on Dragic.

How can you absolve Dragic of all blame? That's not right whichever way you look at it.

Despite this career year from Dragic, the Suns still missed the playoffs. Dragic wanted to play for his country in the offseason which was always going to affect his season. He wanted us to overpay Frye. Gerald Green played out of his skin last year. A hell of a lot of things went right last year but to say it was all Dragic is not right.

To me he thinks that now he's had a great season, he's now in the position to control the make up of the squad. That is never a good thing

[DaleyBlind]

So based on Drsgic's comments today, he can't have been happy playing with Bledsoe.

Thats how im interpreting it.

1. Dragic wants to be the starting PG who initiates the offense. 2. Winning doesn't really matter, Its all about his role on the team and obviously money.

1. Correct - he's done it before and didn't the Suns do exceptionally well.
2. Total horse sh*t - you see the video of post-Houston game that's been posted a couple of times? He cares about winning; sounds like the rest of the team doesn't.

Its not horse ****, his list of teams he wants to go to include 2 of the worse teams in the NBA, both with spots that need a PG. His list of teams have one thing common.....they all need a starting PG upgrade.
That right their shows you its all about his Role on the team. Winning is the furthest thing from his mind right now.

[Desert_Devil]

I totally agree. To me the biggest mistake McD made was not trading Goran this summer when his value was at its peak.

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The fans (and Sarver) would run him out of town if he traded Goran last summer.

sure it wouldn't have been a popular move but I want a gm who has the power from the ownership and balls to make an unpopular move if it's for the best.

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Like I said upthread, I think the Suns wanted to keep Goran and tried to help him find a role he could succeed in. It didn't work out. Time to move ahead...

[jcsunsfan]

Its partly because all three of the pg's are not really pg's. Goran wasn't last year. He tried to be a one man show. Three pg's fighting over touches, meanwhile the big men just stand there and watch the ball go up. I am not happy with any of them.

[thamadkant]

So based on Drsgic's comments today, he can't have been happy playing with Bledsoe.

Thats how im interpreting it.

1. Dragic wants to be the starting PG who initiates the offense. 2. Winning doesn't really matter, Its all about his role on the team and obviously money.

1. Correct - he's done it before and didn't the Suns do exceptionally well.
2. Total horse sh*t - you see the video of post-Houston game that's been posted a couple of times? He cares about winning; sounds like the rest of the team doesn't.

1. That 48 wins, Bledsoe was part of that first 1/3 of the season where the Suns had 60% winning percentage. Gerald Green had several 30+ point games when Bledsoe went down... So 48 wins is NOT purely Dragic, the Suns played "well" but exceptionally well? You make it sound like they made the playoffs.

2. Winning?, he doesnt care for it much these days it seems... he is due for a big contract and I can bet you, right now he wants that MAX contract over winning.