Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[JMac1]

Wut?

Len was absolutely no where close to a safe pick. He was probably one of the riskiest players to take in the whole draft, his **** whole game is potential, Especially coupled with his injury concerns

Bogdan is/was no where close to being a safe pick. Young, white, semi-unknown Euro player who might never even develop to an NBA level

Ennis was never supposed to even play here

The only "safe" guy we've drafted to some degree is Warren and even then not many people thought his inside game would even translate to the NBA

McD takes risks, that's kind of what he does. Nothing about him or his time in Boston tells me that he takes "safe picks"

Agreed. The save picks at #5 would have been Noel & McLemore. Even with Noel's injury, he was probably the most popular pick due to being project #1 prior.

Bogdan might not even come to the NBA, and if he does could have the possibility to renegotiate a much better contract (ala Nikola Mirotic) effectively meaning the Suns would have to pay him 5 times as much as a #27 rookie contract.

Goodwin was drafted on potential obviously, T. J. Warren & Ennis were probably the safest pick McD has made (relatively) but weren't the Suns rumored to prefer LaVine or Warren? LaVine was definitely high risk/ high reward.

McD strikes me mostly as a guy who values high risk/ high rewards over low risk/ low reward, which makes me think he'll go for Turner/Oubre/Looney over Kaminksi if all those guys are still available.

^ exactly

Good consideration including Oubre in there, if McD thinks that Oubre is the BPA available, he'll take him if he's somehow there when we pick (unlikely)

Looney will be there at 13. For Oubre and Turner you would probably have to trade up

Kaminsky is low reward If his game translate....dude is high reward! That is what makes him so intriguing and hard to gauge.

I just don't like those guys who have shown absolutely nothing in college and you go on all athleticism over skill, that is usually a death nail!

So me something other than he is long and can jump high.

[Mr Puddles]

Agreed. The save picks at #5 would have been Noel & McLemore. Even with Noel's injury, he was probably the most popular pick due to being project #1 prior.

Bogdan might not even come to the NBA, and if he does could have the possibility to renegotiate a much better contract (ala Nikola Mirotic) effectively meaning the Suns would have to pay him 5 times as much as a #27 rookie contract.

Goodwin was drafted on potential obviously, T. J. Warren & Ennis were probably the safest pick McD has made (relatively) but weren't the Suns rumored to prefer LaVine or Warren? LaVine was definitely high risk/ high reward.

McD strikes me mostly as a guy who values high risk/ high rewards over low risk/ low reward, which makes me think he'll go for Turner/Oubre/Looney over Kaminksi if all those guys are still available.

^ exactly

Good consideration including Oubre in there, if McD thinks that Oubre is the BPA available, he'll take him if he's somehow there when we pick (unlikely)

Looney will be there at 13. For Oubre and Turner you would probably have to trade up

Kaminsky is low reward If his game translate....dude is high reward! That is what makes him so intriguing and hard to gauge.

I just don't like those guys who have shown absolutely nothing in college and you go on all athleticism over skill, that is usually a death nail!

So me something other than he is long and can jump high.

Low reward is relative, I don't mean he won't be a good player but he doesn't have the "boom or bust" potential. At worst I see Kaminski becoming a multi year veteran who doesn't necessarily become a regular contributor, but will be part of a rotation somewhere. At best, I see him becoming a starter in this league who may flirt with an all-star appearance once or twice in his career. At worst, Turner or Looney are out of the NBA quicker than you can say Earl Clark, at best they become all-star / all NBA team players.

In short, the chance of Kaminski becoming a regular contributor is higher than Turner or Looney becoming regular contributors. The chance of Turner or Looney turning out to be among the top NBA players is higher than Kaminski becoming one of the top NBA players.

We may respectfully disagree on that assessment - but that's what I meant by my post.

[Saberestar]

What would taking a wing player like Dekker mean for Warren? Or what would taking Frank mean for Wright?

Paul Coro

Dekker is less likely cuz of Warren, Tucker & maybe Granger. But they go 'best player.' FK & BW are different. They need bigs.

I don't know if that is important, but no word about Marcus.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Calling my shot. I know odds are long but I have a feeling suns get lucky and land a top 3 pick.

[JMac1]

^ exactly

Good consideration including Oubre in there, if McD thinks that Oubre is the BPA available, he'll take him if he's somehow there when we pick (unlikely)

Looney will be there at 13. For Oubre and Turner you would probably have to trade up

Kaminsky is low reward If his game translate....dude is high reward! That is what makes him so intriguing and hard to gauge.

I just don't like those guys who have shown absolutely nothing in college and you go on all athleticism over skill, that is usually a death nail!

So me something other than he is long and can jump high.

Low reward is relative, I don't mean he won't be a good player but he doesn't have the "boom or bust" potential. At worst I see Kaminski becoming a multi year veteran who doesn't necessarily become a regular contributor, but will be part of a rotation somewhere. At best, I see him becoming a starter in this league who may flirt with an all-star appearance once or twice in his career. At worst, Turner or Looney are out of the NBA quicker than you can say Earl Clark, at best they become all-star / all NBA team players.

In short, the chance of Kaminski becoming a regular contributor is higher than Turner or Looney becoming regular contributors. The chance of Turner or Looney turning out to be among the top NBA players is higher than Kaminski becoming one of the top NBA players.

We may respectfully disagree on that assessment - but that's what I meant by my post.

Oh, I totally agree with that assessment.

[JMac1]

Calling my shot. I know odds are long but I have a feeling suns get lucky and land a top 3 pick.

OK babe

[Saberestar]

Paul Coro

Grant could be a nice fit for the system because he's a 6-4 combo guard and for how smart and mature he is.

I prefer Cameron Payne over Grant because he has a higher ceiling in my opinion. Grant will be 23 years old at the beginning of the season.

[MrMiyagi]

Calling my shot. I know odds are long but I have a feeling suns get lucky and land a top 3 pick.

I like your confidence.

[MrMiyagi]

Paul Coro

Grant could be a nice fit for the system because he's a 6-4 combo guard and for how smart and mature he is.

I prefer Cameron Payne over Grant because he has a higher ceiling in my opinion. Grant will be 23 years old at the beginning of the season.

What a geezer

[thamadkant]

Calling my shot. I know odds are long but I have a feeling suns get lucky and land a top 3 pick.

If you can get THAT LUCKY with you calling it... you might as well buy some lottery tickets the same week of the lottery drawing.

[Saberestar]

Paul Coro

Grant could be a nice fit for the system because he's a 6-4 combo guard and for how smart and mature he is.

I prefer Cameron Payne over Grant because he has a higher ceiling in my opinion. Grant will be 23 years old at the beginning of the season.

What a geezer

For a rookie.....yes.

[bwgood77]

This talk about drafting point guards is making me nauseous.

[thamadkant]

I think McD is busy trying to setup a package to move the 13th/14th pick along with a couple of players to move top 10.
I think he wants a player that is going top 10...

but this will happen once the lottery balls have been drawn as well as the scouts and team draft boards have become clearer, they all talk and give hints of who they are looking at, so they will have some sort of idea which player will go where.

[bwgood77]

Calling my shot. I know odds are long but I have a feeling suns get lucky and land a top 3 pick.

If you can get THAT LUCKY with you calling it... you might as well buy some lottery tickets the same week of the lottery drawing.

In comparison to the REAL lottery our odds of getting a top 3 pick are exceptionally good.

[Damkac]

right but you're drafting for a permanent future stater

13th pick rarely gives you a permanent starter. If it gives you a good bench player you already should be pleased. It's funny people are complaining about drafting Markieff when he is great player for when he was drafted.
That's why I don't really care much about this pick and wish it will be included in the package for something with more value. Suns have enought bench-caliber players they need a star-caliber player.

Paul Coro

Grant could be a nice fit for the system because he's a 6-4 combo guard and for how smart and mature he is.

I prefer Cameron Payne over Grant because he has a higher ceiling in my opinion. Grant will be 23 years old at the beginning of the season.

For everything that's saint please stop this point guards s###!

I think McD is busy trying to setup a package to move the 13th/14th pick along with a couple of players to move top 10.
I think he wants a player that is going top 10...

but this will happen once the lottery balls have been drawn as well as the scouts and team draft boards have become clearer, they all talk and give hints of who they are looking at, so they will have some sort of idea which player will go where.

I hope for this.

[RunDogGun]

This talk about drafting point guards is making me nauseous.

It will depend on what moves we make either before the draft or after.

[bwgood77]

This talk about drafting point guards is making me nauseous.

It will depend on what moves we make either before the draft or after.

And possibly who is available. Sure if we trade Bledsoe for a stud PF I would be ok with a PG, but I think we are all talking as if the draft happens with our current roster still in place without making assumptions of moves made prior to the draft. These types of moves are rare too. The finals don't even usually end until a couple weeks before the draft, and most all teams won't make a move until all teams are available for active trade talks. And many picks can't be traded until after the draft takes place so I don't anticipate moves befoer the draft.

[RunDogGun]

This talk about drafting point guards is making me nauseous.

It will depend on what moves we make either before the draft or after.

And possibly who is available. Sure if we trade Bledsoe for a stud PF I would be ok with a PG, but I think we are all talking as if the draft happens with our current roster still in place without making assumptions of moves made prior to the draft. These types of moves are rare too. The finals don't even usually end until a couple weeks before the draft, and most all teams won't make a move until all teams are available for active trade talks. And many picks can't be traded until after the draft takes place so I don't anticipate moves befoer the draft.

By before the draft, I meant that a trade was already agreed upon before the draft, most likely on the assumption that a player might not be available. I'm sure a ton of trade talk will start tomorrow evening, once lotto selections are drawn.

I think McD learned his lesson from adding so many guards last offseason, but if he chose one, I'd guess that he had a trade lined up for Bledsoe, or a sign and trade possible for Knight if he signed. The latter for a team that could not afford to sign him outright.

But since we signed McNeal for another season, I doubt we draft another point guard, unless one impresses the heck out of our FO.

[bwgood77]

It will depend on what moves we make either before the draft or after.

And possibly who is available. Sure if we trade Bledsoe for a stud PF I would be ok with a PG, but I think we are all talking as if the draft happens with our current roster still in place without making assumptions of moves made prior to the draft. These types of moves are rare too. The finals don't even usually end until a couple weeks before the draft, and most all teams won't make a move until all teams are available for active trade talks. And many picks can't be traded until after the draft takes place so I don't anticipate moves befoer the draft.

By before the draft, I meant that a trade was already agreed upon before the draft, most likely on the assumption that a player might not be available. I'm sure a ton of trade talk will start tomorrow evening, once lotto selections are drawn.

I think McD learned his lesson from adding so many guards last offseason, but if he chose one, I'd guess that he had a trade lined up for Bledsoe, or a sign and trade possible for Knight if he signed. The latter for a team that could not afford to sign him outright.

But since we signed McNeal for another season, I doubt we draft another point guard, unless one impresses the heck out of our FO.

I really hope McD puts a priority on finding quality shooters. This hasn't seemed to be a big priority. I guess you can say Knight is a good one having shot 40%+ from 3 before joining the Suns, but if you think of most of his picks, trades or players, few have been really good shooters, except maybe Green. Even going back to his time in Boston and taking Rondo (though that was a great pick at that spot).

Of course I still want a PF or C with our pick to give us young depth at the 4/5 since we have depth or very young guys elsewhere, but we also need shooting, which is why I hope we can possibly land Tyler Harvey with our second pick. And ideally we get a guy at the 4/5 who does have range, like Turner or Kaminsky. I go a little bit back and forth on Kaminsky. But lets assume we keep both Kieff and Len and they develop into quality starting caliber players for a contending team....Kaminsky could play with either on the frontline. I think at a minimum he will be a decent rotation guy capable of being on a playoff team.

When you are 7 feet and can shoot like he does, that is enough, but he is good in the post as well. He would have trouble on the defensive end potentially, but if he was a backup, that wouldn't be quite as important. A big part of me always wants to swing for the fences in the draft, and the 1 or 2 year guys always likely have higher upsides and most all of them have more athleticism, but I think you pretty much know what you are getting with Frank the Tank. A smart, hard working guy who can shoot and probably work fairly well in the post. I'd take Turner ahead of him, but that is probably it...though I'd consider Looney or Lyles and maybe someone else who shows well in workouts.

[Saberestar]

Len said he did not bring any lucky trinkets to New York City but is considering whether his new mustache will be a good-luck charm or should be shaved.