Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[Sonne]

@Mauro Pedorsa

in Michael Rapaport Words: you are young dumb and full of cum!

No disrespect, but its the truth.....

"Young dumb and full of cum" was a saying long before you heard it come out of rapaports mouth a few days ago.

dont catch any feelings i know that line is old as ****

[Shank]

"no disrespect"

[Mauro Pedrosa]

@Mauro Pedorsa

in Michael Rapaport Words: you are young dumb and full of cum!

No disrespect, but its the truth.....

This is unacceptable.

Hey, Michael Rapaport is one of my favorite persons in the world so I take that as a compliment.

You could at least spell my name right though

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Hi Suns fans!

No disrespect, but I started a series on YouTube to preview all 30 NBA teams and you guys had the first video! Meaning I think you'll have the worst record

Feel free to check it out and give me feedback

Watch on YouTube

I can appreciate the amount of effort and work it takes to put together a ranking of all 30 teams. However, I don't think you really put any reasoning behind putting the Suns as the worst team in the league(not saying I disagree). You just listed our roster, vegas odds and then Ulis/Sauce being a bit undersized.

What I will say is, our team really needs a legit playmaker. We ISO guys or guys that can't(or shouldn't ) create on their own. And I think that's where Ulis comes in. He's a much more natural creator than Bledsoe. Sure he is undersized, but that doesn't mean he can't be a quality player for us. It's about effort and heart with guys like him. Same goes for Sauce(Williams), he may a little undersized(not sure this is true with the league steering away from big men these days), but he has heart and fights for everything. Reminds me of a guy like Lou Amundson. Had no business to be as effective as he was, but it was all due to heart and effort.

As for Chandler, I wouldn't say his contract is as bad as people make it out to be. 2 years at about $13M per, not horrible. He doesn't show much for us because we don't need/want him in the lineup for 30 minutes a night. He's still a quality defensive player, great rebounder and can still run the pick and lob as well as just about anyone. Which is what his career has always been. He's valuable to us in the same way Dudley is. Locker room. They help keep our young guys in check and working. I'd be totally fine to see each of them finish out their contracts here.

Bledsoe should probably be traded if we can find the value we want. As his health, age and contract situation don't line up very well with our roster.

Anyway, I'm rambling. It was a good attempt at a ranking for the Suns. And I don't know if we will be the worst team in the league, but we will probably be among the worst. I think moving forward with your rankings you should be a bit more substance into why you rank the team there and not just lay out obvious roster movement and leave it at that.

Thanks for the advice, I will keep that in mind for the following videos!

[RaisingArizona]

We are not going to be good, but no chance we end up with the worst record.

[Puff]

We are not going to be good, but no chance we end up with the worst record.

I agree with you and I think we have a chance to be a real surprise. I am actually glad we did not make any moves. It should provide real clarity on a lot of issues.

Head Coach - I am not going to let him off the hook just because we are young, I want more than yoga classes from him

Bledsoe - If he has a great year while we actually win games we all might have to reconsider his future in the desert. If we stink I expect he will be a goner next summer.

Booker/Jackson - are they the cornerstones most us believe for our future.

Warren - How badly do we really want to keep him - a great year and he could join the cornerstone crowd.

Chriss -Will he come to camp in shape and improve his game.

Bender - I want to see progress.

When I look at our roster I like most everyone, even Bledsoe. It should be a fun and exciting year. I really believe we are going to win a lot more games than is projected. However, Earl Watson is our Coach. What a shame.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We were a fit Jeremy Lin away from being the worst team last season.

One thing the youtuber may learn is know your audience lol.

[NavLDO]

What the heck is wrong with you? Almost every post you have you are trying to trade JJ and draft picks. What has JJ done that you are working so hard on getting rid of him?

Nothing is wrong with me. Not that the scenario I painted has even a .000001% chance of happening, but if it did, how likely do you think that trade would be without JJ??

I'm in no hurry to trade JJ; I'm just pointing out that in order to get PREMIER talent on this squad, the FIRST name that is going to come up is Booker, and I think we can all agree that's a negative, because he's actually PROVEN to be an NBA player. the SECOND name would be JJ, and JJ hasn't proven a darn thing in the NBA.

I sure as heck am not going to propose a trade for LeBron James, and on our side of the trade, not provide them some potential to build off of..."Oh, here Cleveland, we'll give you Jones Jr., Ulis, Peters, and injured Reed, and Bender. Is that fair?"

Again, if I'm going to propose a 'far-out' trade, I'm at least going to do my best to make it 'palatable' to the other side...would you rather I include Booker, and keep JJ??

How about not making a trading the bank for a star who is on the downward path on his career and will be a free agent next year. IF really think he can win us a championship (and i really question as great of a player that Lebron is he can come in with Booker and win a championship or even get us far in the WC with the people who are left) than sign him as a free agent; but you sure as heck down trade your future to get short term success. What you are saying is sure if I can get my dream job for one year I will be happy to get brain, lung and colon cancer the year after.

It's nothing like that at all. Talk about hyperbole. And you act like we can just call LeBron up and say "Hey, we're ready to sign you now, come on over!...What's that you say?...28 other teams want to sign you as well that have better 'win now' squads you'd' rather go to?...Oh, ok..."

Whereas trading for him, allows him to save face...AND assures us that he comes here, as opposed on of 28 other teams.

And I didn't 'trade the bank'...I traded JJ, Bender, and maybe Warren, and some picks, while keeping our pick, Chriss, and Booker, along with other pieces. JJ isn't the 'Bank'...he isn't even a viable NBA player yet. We HOPE he will be. He SHOULD be. But again, so was Stanimal and Winston Justice and DeAngelo Russell and Emanuel Mudiay and Brandon Ingram and Kris Dunn and Jahlil Okafor and Wiggins (yes, Wiggins...look at his career BPM and VORP) and Exum and...well, you get the point. You act like JJ can't fail, and trading him would be tantamount to us throwing away our franchise for years to come.

I'm sure you are going to attempt to respond that JJ is somehow 'better' than all the players I listed, but hate to tell you, he's coming into the league with weaknesses of his own, just like those I mentioned above. Stanimal killed it in his 1st SL, too...

So, you, and 90%...ok, 98% of this board don't like the trade I proposed. Fine. But likening it somehow, being akin to landing a dream job for a year, just to contract Brain, Lung, and Colon Cancer afterwards might be THE most hyperbolic thing I have EVER read on ANY forum. Congrats!

[bwgood77]

He SHOULD be. But again, so was Stanimal and Winston Justice and DeAngelo Russell and Emanuel Mudiay and Brandon Ingram and Kris Dunn and Jahlil Okafor

Winston Justice?

[Waylay13]

I'm sure you are going to attempt to respond that JJ is somehow 'better' than all the players I listed, but hate to tell you, he's coming into the league with weaknesses of his own, just like those I mentioned above. Stanimal killed it in his 1st SL, too...

So, you, and 90%...ok, 98% of this board don't like the trade I proposed. Fine. But likening it somehow, being akin to landing a dream job for a year, just to contract Brain, Lung, and Colon Cancer afterwards might be THE most hyperbolic thing I have EVER read on ANY forum. Congrats!

Really trading JJ, Warren and Bender (the core of our youth movement) for a 1 year rental of Lebron (if he wants to be here he will sign as a free agent) isnt going to have an impact on the future of our team? Go back to the early 2000's and see what the trade 7th pick in 2004 and the impact it had on the hopes of this team winning a championship, but you want to trade 2 4th picks and 14th for 1 year of a Lebron maybe I didnt state it enough you would kill the future of the team for years to come over 1 year of not being able to win a championship.

[MrMiyagi]

Aaaaand this is why I don't like this thread.

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[SideSwipe]

I'm sure you are going to attempt to respond that JJ is somehow 'better' than all the players I listed, but hate to tell you, he's coming into the league with weaknesses of his own, just like those I mentioned above. Stanimal killed it in his 1st SL, too...

So, you, and 90%...ok, 98% of this board don't like the trade I proposed. Fine. But likening it somehow, being akin to landing a dream job for a year, just to contract Brain, Lung, and Colon Cancer afterwards might be THE most hyperbolic thing I have EVER read on ANY forum. Congrats!

Really trading JJ, Warren and Bender (the core of our youth movement) for a 1 year rental of Lebron (if he wants to be here he will sign as a free agent) isnt going to have an impact on the future of our team? Go back to the early 2000's and see what the trade 7th pick in 2004 and the impact it had on the hopes of this team winning a championship, but you want to trade 2 4th picks and 14th for 1 year of a Lebron maybe I didnt state it enough you would kill the future of the team for years to come over 1 year of not being able to win a championship.

While I am not sure I would do the proposed deal either you need to recognize before the trade was completed we would know that Lebron wants to be here, because he would have to give his okay (No-trade clause) to come in the first place. If (and its far from likely) this happens it would be a straight Rich Paul deal. LBJ wouldn't do that to PHX unless he were strongly considering staying. Obviously if we completely fell apart he would consider leaving again, but we would know that he would want to be here before any deal happened.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Just about every debate in the past 2 years has been draft rebuilders vs trade for superstars vs keep what we have as it costs too much. I couldn't care less what strategy we go with as long as we go with it hard and it results in 3 All-Stars.

[In2ition]

Just about every debate in the past 2 years has been draft rebuilders vs trade for superstars vs keep what we have as it costs too much. I couldn't care less what strategy we go with as long as we go with it hard and it results in 3 All-Stars.

Agreed, except I want 4 All-NBA players.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Random off-season thought, our bench could average < 1 season experience.

Ulis 1
Jok 0
Jackson 0
Bender 1
Wililams 2

Average 0.8 seasons experience.

Maybe we shift Warren to the bench to be the young vet and Jackson starts.

[AtheJ415]

Random off-season thought, our bench could average < 1 season experience.

Ulis 1
Jok 0
Jackson 0
Bender 1
Wililams 2

Average 0.8 seasons experience.

Maybe we shift Warren to the bench to be the young vet and Jackson starts.

And yet, some expect us to contend for the playoffs lol.

I love that bench for this team, and imo it will lead to a top 5 pick, which will get us our cornerstone center, or, if we're lucky, a monster like Doncic or Bagley or Porter.

[NavLDO]

I'm sure you are going to attempt to respond that JJ is somehow 'better' than all the players I listed, but hate to tell you, he's coming into the league with weaknesses of his own, just like those I mentioned above. Stanimal killed it in his 1st SL, too...

So, you, and 90%...ok, 98% of this board don't like the trade I proposed. Fine. But likening it somehow, being akin to landing a dream job for a year, just to contract Brain, Lung, and Colon Cancer afterwards might be THE most hyperbolic thing I have EVER read on ANY forum. Congrats!

Really trading JJ, Warren and Bender (the core of our youth movement) for a 1 year rental of Lebron (if he wants to be here he will sign as a free agent) isnt going to have an impact on the future of our team? Go back to the early 2000's and see what the trade 7th pick in 2004 and the impact it had on the hopes of this team winning a championship, but you want to trade 2 4th picks and 14th for 1 year of a Lebron maybe I didnt state it enough you would kill the future of the team for years to come over 1 year of not being able to win a championship.

You're right, I forgot how Vroman was the best player in the NBA...and how we traded for the 2005 draft Bulls draft pick.

How about we go a little further back...probably before you were born, to 1992, when we made this trade for this scrub, I think his name was Charles Barkley, or something like that...all he did was help us get to the Finals the next season, who eventually lost to the best NBA player ever to grace the court in Jordan, so...

It's not about what we are trading away...it's about the RETURN...the Cavs would actually, likely laugh in our face if we offered that pkg...why?? Because it's not worth the BEST NBA player in the league right now. You act like a #4 pick that was quite possibly the worst NBA player in the league last year, a #4 pick that hasn't played a minute in the league, and player most (not me) consider to be average at best, for LeBron James, is a loss on OUR end? Had I proposed this on the Trade forum, I'd have gotten laughed off the forum, but NOT because we were giving too much, but because we weren't giving nearly enough...

...you're being a Suns homer here; JJ, Bender, and Warren are not all that and a bag of chips...oh yeah, I went there...

[bwgood77]

LeBron can't be traded. It's dumb to trade for a FA who you could sign (if by some chance he wanted to play for a bottom feeder, particularly one if we traded players for him).

[NavLDO]

We are not going to be good, but no chance we end up with the worst record.

I agree with you and I think we have a chance to be a real surprise. I am actually glad we did not make any moves. It should provide real clarity on a lot of issues.

Head Coach - I am not going to let him off the hook just because we are young, I want more than yoga classes from him

Bledsoe - If he has a great year while we actually win games we all might have to reconsider his future in the desert. If we stink I expect he will be a goner next summer.

Booker/Jackson - are they the cornerstones most us believe for our future.

Warren - How badly do we really want to keep him - a great year and he could join the cornerstone crowd.

Chriss -Will he come to camp in shape and improve his game.

Bender - I want to see progress.

When I look at our roster I like most everyone, even Bledsoe. It should be a fun and exciting year. I really believe we are going to win a lot more games than is projected. However, Earl Watson is our Coach. What a shame.

So, you think our limiting factor will be Watson? I'd tend to agree, especially if he starts JJ over Warren. What else does he have to do to prove he deserves to be a starter on our team. Name 5 better players on our roster, and don't even try to list JJ...He is nothing but potential right now.

I almost hope Watson starts JJ over Warren. This way, reality may finally set in on this forum.

Warren scores, almost at will, and half this forum wants to sit him in favor of a rookie who barely shot .500 from the FT line in college and has a funky stroke. Remember, Warren shot .400 from NBA 3 just 2 years ago, and look at his 3PT℅ when he was healthy last year...His first 11 and last 10 or so games...Something like 46℅...Or maybe that was his first 11 games...But you get the point. Unreal.

[NavLDO]

LeBron can't be traded. It's dumb to trade for a FA who you could sign (if by some chance he wanted to play for a bottom feeder, particularly one if we traded players for him).

I explained this in my original post. He can be traded, if he wills it. If he feels he would save face. Maybe I'm off on that assertion, but trading for him assured us of getting him, as opposed to competing with 28 other teams.

He might be willing to play with Bledsoe and Booker, and then play the ' I didn't leave' card. I was traded because the FO wanted to start a rebuild.