Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anyone think Orlando goes for:
6th Pick
Bucks Pick
JJ
Tyler Johnson (Expiring)

for Aaron Gordon?

if this trade happened, and we then renounced Daniels and Holmes, we could get $18m in cap space, which we could use to sign DLo to an offer sheet? Would be very hard for the Nets to match that with their FA plans. Then you could re-sign Oubre, and have this be your roster:

DLo/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/TJ
Gordon/Spalding
Ayton/Bender

Would definitely need to use the MLE to add some shooting, maybe a Rodney Hood type? or even bring back Daniels.

hmm

I like the idea of trading for Gordon. I would guess they would want TJ in that deal because he's actually a pretty nice fit with Isaac, they would compliment each other well.

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[bwgood77]

......and right after i post that i read the Pelicans dont want Knox.

Interesting. I thought he had a great rookie season.

#514 http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/13

Knox is perplexing to me. I didn't get why people liked him in the draft or why people thought he was good this season. Dude had like 2 good summer league games and all the sudden he's the next big thing. He's just not good.

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Yeah, he was not good in college or the pros. Maybe not good to ignore the strengths/weaknesses here after seeing it translate into worst RPM by far in NBA. http://www.tankathon.com/players/kevin-knox

[bwgood77]

Anyone think Orlando goes for:
6th Pick
Bucks Pick
JJ
Tyler Johnson (Expiring)

for Aaron Gordon?

if this trade happened, and we then renounced Daniels and Holmes, we could get $18m in cap space, which we could use to sign DLo to an offer sheet? Would be very hard for the Nets to match that with their FA plans. Then you could re-sign Oubre, and have this be your roster:

DLo/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/TJ
Gordon/Spalding
Ayton/Bender

Would definitely need to use the MLE to add some shooting, maybe a Rodney Hood type? or even bring back Daniels.

hmm

I like the idea of trading for Gordon. I would guess they would want TJ in that deal because he's actually a pretty nice fit with Isaac, they would compliment each other well.

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Still thinking Gordon is on the block?

[WeekapaugGroove]

hmm

I like the idea of trading for Gordon. I would guess they would want TJ in that deal because he's actually a pretty nice fit with Isaac, they would compliment each other well.

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Still thinking Gordon is on the block?

I wouldn't say likely but I don't think it's impossible he gets moved. Isaac is probably best played at PF long-term and trading Gordon would be their best route to get better in other areas. If they fell in love with someone available at 6 it's not out of the question they would entertain a trade.

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[Sunsss]

#514 http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/13

Knox is perplexing to me. I didn't get why people liked him in the draft or why people thought he was good this season. Dude had like 2 good summer league games and all the sudden he's the next big thing. He's just not good.

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Yeah, he was not good in college or the pros. Maybe not good to ignore the strengths/weaknesses here after seeing it translate into worst RPM by far in NBA. http://www.tankathon.com/players/kevin-knox

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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Suns mentioned as a destination. Johnson, Josh, and bucks pick was what proposed. That would be fine by me.


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[Ghost of Kleine]

Well, If this is true, most likely now that they received the first overall pick (Zion) in the Lottery, along with the Flakers being basically gifted the 4th overall pick, Then everything is pretty much set up for the Lakers / Davis deal to go down.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253826/Gayle-Benson-Strongly-Denies-Report-Of-Pelicans-Refusing-To-Trade-Anthony-Davis-To-Lakers.

Does Jones jump on the phone to enquire about Ball for the 6th pick now?

I'd personally rather try to see if Jones could let them keep ball, and in a three way, ( As a favor from his good buddy Lebron) and as a favor from Griffin to the Suns,

They could redirect the 4th overall pick to us. And then we send the Lakers Jackson, And the Pels Warren???

That way we could have both the 4th and the 6th pick. And be able to perhaps trade up , or just take Garland at 4, And Clarke at 6?

[Barkley6]

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Suns mentioned as a destination. Johnson, Josh, and bucks pick was what proposed. That would be fine by me.


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Hard pass. Totally ruins our cap and isn't worth it in my opinion. I like him a lot as a player, but his contract? No thanks.

I'd be looking to move Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to create more cap space to go after a free agent target and still bring back Oubre. At this point, I'd take a bag of chips for #6, Tyler Johnson and Jackson because it would mean we'd have a lot more salary to go out and be aggressive with an RFA like DLo.

[Revived]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

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[Barkley6]

Question: Whats the deal with trading the rights to RFAs before the league opens for business in July? I know you can trade players under contract during the draft, but can you deal RFAs? I've never found a definitive answer on this.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Suns mentioned as a destination. Johnson, Josh, and bucks pick was what proposed. That would be fine by me.


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Hard pass. Totally ruins our cap and isn't worth it in my opinion. I like him a lot as a player, but his contract? No thanks.

I'd be looking to move Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to create more cap space to go after a free agent target and still bring back Oubre. At this point, I'd take a bag of chips for #6, Tyler Johnson and Jackson because it would mean we'd have a lot more salary to go out and be aggressive with an RFA like DLo.

I understand where you're coming from but that's a dangerous game clearing space with no guarantee you can actually land a FA. Russell could get matched at the max, other big names might not want to come to the a young team in an absolutely brutal western conference.

Conley basically caps them out for 2 years but he'd give them a good starting PG to try and get respectable. If they win some games the next 2 years then all the sudden they might look like a much better free agent destination the summer of 21 (which is a year before Ayton and Bridges need an extension). In that two years you can also work on developing Melton and Okobo or a guy they draft this year or next and hopefully you have the successor in house.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Question: Whats the deal with trading the rights to RFAs before the league opens for business in July? I know you can trade players under contract during the draft, but can you deal RFAs? I've never found a definitive answer on this.

You can't do it. You can do a sign and trade in July but that player obviously has to want to sign with you and you have to work out the trade prior to signing an offer sheet. Once an offer sheet is signed it's only match or let go.

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[BobbieL]

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Suns mentioned as a destination. Johnson, Josh, and bucks pick was what proposed. That would be fine by me.


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Hard pass. Totally ruins our cap and isn't worth it in my opinion. I like him a lot as a player, but his contract? No thanks.

I'd be looking to move Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to create more cap space to go after a free agent target and still bring back Oubre. At this point, I'd take a bag of chips for #6, Tyler Johnson and Jackson because it would mean we'd have a lot more salary to go out and be aggressive with an RFA like DLo.

I understand where you're coming from but that's a dangerous game clearing space with no guarantee you can actually land a FA. Russell could get matched at the max, other big names might not want to come to the a young team in an absolutely brutal western conference.

Conley basically caps them out for 2 years but he'd give them a good starting PG to try and get respectable. If they win some games the next 2 years then all the sudden they might look like a much better free agent destination the summer of 21 (which is a year before Ayton and Bridges need an extension). In that two years you can also work on developing Melton and Okobo or a guy they draft this year or next and hopefully you have the successor in house.

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The idea of trading say Tyler for JR Smith does create the opportunity for cap space. But you better be sure you can spend it. Because you can clear for DLo or Brogdon, but both teams will match maybe. Kemba. Kyrie. I would rather have Conley (Konley? ) than Kyrie I know that much.

Now the idea that the Suns can spend better than Conley - they are already paying Tyler and Jackson 27m or so. Adding Conley is only another 4-5m. Just would need to figure out PF. But the Suns are already spending a lot. Conley would make the team better

[Slim Charless]

Well, If this is true, most likely now that they received the first overall pick (Zion) in the Lottery, along with the Flakers being basically gifted the 4th overall pick, Then everything is pretty much set up for the Lakers / Davis deal to go down.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253826/Gayle-Benson-Strongly-Denies-Report-Of-Pelicans-Refusing-To-Trade-Anthony-Davis-To-Lakers.

Does Jones jump on the phone to enquire about Ball for the 6th pick now?

I'd personally rather try to see if Jones could let them keep ball, and in a three way, ( As a favor from his good buddy Lebron) and as a favor from Griffin to the Suns,

They could redirect the 4th overall pick to us. And then we send the Lakers Jackson, And the Pels Warren???

That way we could have both the 4th and the 6th pick. And be able to perhaps trade up , or just take Garland at 4, And Clarke at 6?

That'd be interesting. I'd almost let them keep the 4th pick (depending on who was there) and just take Ball. If Lonzo's healthy and if his moronic father can be kept in line offers a tall, defensive minded, pass first PG which fits nicely next to Booker. If we can grab Clarke on top of that it would along way to changing our bottom of the league defensive and rebounding ratings. His shooting is obviously not ideal but hopefully whoever worked with Warren could help raise Lonzo's to a respectable level.

[grumpysaddle]

The thing with Conley is that he is a great PG vet, and yeah he costs a ton the next two seasons, but if all it costs is Johnson, Jackson, Bucks pick, you do it. He helps develop the youth and maybe they start winning. If it doesn't go well you have a huge expiring to trade for a disgruntled star in their prime and maybe even another role player with the size of that expiring. Conley isnt my first choice to be around for a long time, but you can do a lot worse.

[Barkley6]

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Suns mentioned as a destination. Johnson, Josh, and bucks pick was what proposed. That would be fine by me.


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Hard pass. Totally ruins our cap and isn't worth it in my opinion. I like him a lot as a player, but his contract? No thanks.

I'd be looking to move Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to create more cap space to go after a free agent target and still bring back Oubre. At this point, I'd take a bag of chips for #6, Tyler Johnson and Jackson because it would mean we'd have a lot more salary to go out and be aggressive with an RFA like DLo.

I understand where you're coming from but that's a dangerous game clearing space with no guarantee you can actually land a FA. Russell could get matched at the max, other big names might not want to come to the a young team in an absolutely brutal western conference.

Conley basically caps them out for 2 years but he'd give them a good starting PG to try and get respectable. If they win some games the next 2 years then all the sudden they might look like a much better free agent destination the summer of 21 (which is a year before Ayton and Bridges need an extension). In that two years you can also work on developing Melton and Okobo or a guy they draft this year or next and hopefully you have the successor in house.

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I like Conley. But if you trade for him, you're basically saying this is our team for the next two years. Does he make us that much better? Maybe we get the 6-8th seed by his second year. I see the point you're making about not necessarily being able to attract FA's, but with Monty and Jones at the helm, I think we at least need to give it a shot. McD kept his powder dry for too long and got fired for it. All it takes is one FA to come here to really get the ball rolling. I know the Nets might match on DLo, but I gotta think that he might put some pressure on them to let him leave to come play with Book. Maybe a sign and trade gets worked out?

I'm kind of over playing it safe tbh. McD's approach was to wait wait wait and the moment never came. Sometimes you have to make the moment.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Hard pass. Totally ruins our cap and isn't worth it in my opinion. I like him a lot as a player, but his contract? No thanks.

I'd be looking to move Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to create more cap space to go after a free agent target and still bring back Oubre. At this point, I'd take a bag of chips for #6, Tyler Johnson and Jackson because it would mean we'd have a lot more salary to go out and be aggressive with an RFA like DLo.

I understand where you're coming from but that's a dangerous game clearing space with no guarantee you can actually land a FA. Russell could get matched at the max, other big names might not want to come to the a young team in an absolutely brutal western conference.

Conley basically caps them out for 2 years but he'd give them a good starting PG to try and get respectable. If they win some games the next 2 years then all the sudden they might look like a much better free agent destination the summer of 21 (which is a year before Ayton and Bridges need an extension). In that two years you can also work on developing Melton and Okobo or a guy they draft this year or next and hopefully you have the successor in house.

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I like Conley. But if you trade for him, you're basically saying this is our team for the next two years. Does he make us that much better? Maybe we get the 6-8th seed by his second year. I see the point you're making about not necessarily being able to attract FA's, but with Monty and Jones at the helm, I think we at least need to give it a shot. McD kept his powder dry for too long and got fired for it. All it takes is one FA to come here to really get the ball rolling. I know the Nets might match on DLo, but I gotta think that he might put some pressure on them to let him leave to come play with Book. Maybe a sign and trade gets worked out?

I'm kind of over playing it safe tbh. McD's approach was to wait wait wait and the moment never came. Sometimes you have to make the moment.

By all means they should chase all the top FAs, if they lock one up THEN you do what's nessesary to clear the cap space. Doing it prior to FA is a recipe to end up feeling like you need to spend and blowing it on Tyson Chandler type dudes.

Oh and making the playoffs in the next two years would be a huge accomplishment. People tend to ignore how god damn hard it is. The Lakers just added LeBron and missed them.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Suns mentioned as a destination. Johnson, Josh, and bucks pick was what proposed. That would be fine by me.


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Hard pass. Totally ruins our cap and isn't worth it in my opinion. I like him a lot as a player, but his contract? No thanks.

I'd be looking to move Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to create more cap space to go after a free agent target and still bring back Oubre. At this point, I'd take a bag of chips for #6, Tyler Johnson and Jackson because it would mean we'd have a lot more salary to go out and be aggressive with an RFA like DLo.

I understand where you're coming from but that's a dangerous game clearing space with no guarantee you can actually land a FA. Russell could get matched at the max, other big names might not want to come to the a young team in an absolutely brutal western conference.

Conley basically caps them out for 2 years but he'd give them a good starting PG to try and get respectable. If they win some games the next 2 years then all the sudden they might look like a much better free agent destination the summer of 21 (which is a year before Ayton and Bridges need an extension). In that two years you can also work on developing Melton and Okobo or a guy they draft this year or next and hopefully you have the successor in house.

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100000000 Times this. The value of Conley to us is in the veteran leadership and character he displays on and off the court.


As well as the fact that he's still a great floor general, plays good defense and would quite obviously help our young roster develop much faster with him leading us than without.

He greatly advance our team competitively. And his contract for it's size is short at only two years for us starting next season, and then as WEEK mentioned, Would expire. Right in the summer of 2021, When Ayton and Bridges extensions are due.

But even more importantly, This would give us max cap space for the all star level players that are in 2021 free agency.

I mean have you guys even considered the list???
Unrestricted

- Lebron James.
- Giannis Antekekoupo.
- Anthony Davis.
- Paul George.
- Damian Lillard.
- Demarr Derozan.
- Russell Westbrook.
- Rudy Gobert.
- Gordon Hayward.
- Bradley Beal.

Restricted

- Donovan Mitchell.
- Jason Tatum.
- Lonzo Ball.
- Markelle Fultz.
- Josh Jackson.
- Dennis Smith Jr.
- Lauri Markkanen.
- Abdel Nader.
- DeAaron Fox.
- Frank Ntilikina.

Being able to have over a max amount to both extend Ayton and Bridges, And also be able to offer one of these players a max contract, after Conley helps our young core advance.

And as a result, We become a more competitive team and a more desirable destination would be unbelievable. And more than worth taking such a risk obviously.

[Waylay13]

The thing with Conley is that he is a great PG vet, and yeah he costs a ton the next two seasons, but if all it costs is Johnson, Jackson, Bucks pick, you do it. He helps develop the youth and maybe they start winning. If it doesn't go well you have a huge expiring to trade for a disgruntled star in their prime and maybe even another role player with the size of that expiring. Conley isnt my first choice to be around for a long time, but you can do a lot worse.

This is the same dumb idea that got the Suns to sign Chandler, Dudley, Ariza and Anderson. Being an ancient vet who is paid to much isn’t going develop the young guys at all. We have already seen that. After he retires in two years the Suns are back to the point of not having a point guard.