2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

How I feel about Wiseman is about how I feel about most of this class 'at 10 sure but top 4 not so excited'. To me there just isn't an elite group in this class, Ball is about as close as it gets but even he's a risky prospect. With that said I think the group that will be there at 10 will have a handful of interesting guys.

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Word. This is the first draft where I might actually prefer a lower draft slot because of the money alone.

[WeekapaugGroove]

How I feel about Wiseman is about how I feel about most of this class 'at 10 sure but top 4 not so excited'. To me there just isn't an elite group in this class, Ball is about as close as it gets but even he's a risky prospect. With that said I think the group that will be there at 10 will have a handful of interesting guys.

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Word. This is the first draft where I might actually prefer a lower draft slot because of the money alone.

Yeah that's definitely a factor. I'd still prefer landing top 4 because its a better trade chip and if you keep it you get your choice of the lump of dudes who could go there. But I certainly won't be bummed out if they stay at 10.

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[Blonde]

Yeah Wiseman is looked down on by most non-intel based draft gurus. The fact is, an NBA GM is going to like his potential and he’ll get selected ahead of us. I certainly wouldn’t entertain picking him for this team because I fundamentally believe he and Ayton are 5s and don’t want to pander toward either of their desires to play forward.

Okoro fascinates me. I have him mid lottery on my board right now. Checks all of my boxes for a wing player other than shooting, which I largely believe will be correctable. Can wreak havoc on defense - both on and off ball, good and willing passer, terrific slasher, extremely high free throw rate, and despite lacking a consistent 3 ball he managed to be an efficient player overall. He would be our Oubre insurance and basically unlock our ability to flood the court with versatile wings who play good defense.

[Blonde]

Oh and by the way they took Desmond Bane (the TCU senior SG) to Portland for the 14th pick. I’m not saying it would be a terrible pick, but I got a chuckle out of the philosophy of being super down on guys like Toppin and Wiseman and ignoring their elite traits, while hyping up guys like Desmond Bane and Pokusevski who have lower ceilings and similar bust potential - only focusing on what they can do well which is shoot. Like I said, it’s very hard to escape the echochamber and find draft analysts who can be objective once they’ve made their mind up on a prospect.

I would encourage people listen to the latest Game Theory podcast (hosted by Sam Vecenie) which featured Spencer Pearlman. I think you’ll find more consistent and fair evaluations of players by Sam over on that pod (though he tends to be overly optimistic in general). They spent a good deal of time discussing Toppin, Haliburton, and Hayes in that episode.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Why did Wiseman drop so far?

Certain scouts and NBA pundits are concerned about his overall basketball IQ and in game awareness, And his overall fundamentals. They have concerns that the majority of his game will be overtly predicated upon his athleticism/ size alone. Also, There are concerns over his motor, and his potential offensive game development.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/07/13/2020-nba-draft-james-wiseman/amp/

The problem, however, is that Wiseman does not always go full bully-ball. One of the knocks on him is that he has a tendency to drift in and out of games, that he doesn’t always utilize the physical gifts he has. Despite the very limited minutes that he played this past season for Memphis, it is still pretty easy to find clips of Wiseman opting for fadeaway jumpers instead of powering through opponents that are half-a-foot shorter than him. One of the prevailing thoughts on Wiseman is that he envisions himself as someone in the mold of Giannis, or Pascal Siakim, or even a Bam Adebayo; that he wants to be a perimeter-oriented, ball-handling big.

The other part of it is something that I already mentioned. Wiseman, for years, has been intent on showcasing what he can do playing on the perimeter, and while he is certainly skilled for a 19-year old 7-footer, he is not what you would consider skilled for a basketball player. He doesn’t have a great feel away from the basket, his shooting stroke is a little wonky and he’s not a great passer.

Having said that, IF he was there at 10, I would definitely take him, With the expressed intent of trading back with some team in the draft for further assets that can address more critical needs at the backup and power forward positions. I personally like the idea of possibly trading back with any of :

1- Boston-
Maybe Wiseman for Marcus Smart/ 17/30.
17- Draft Jalen Smith or Aleksev Pokusevski.
30- Draft Daniel Oturu or Zeke Nnaji (Baynes insurance).

2- Dallas-
Wiseman for Delon Wright or *Seth Curry (my preference personally) /18/31.
18- Draft Jalen Smith.
31- Draft Desmond Bane or Trevelin Queen ** ( cheaper Josh Richardson clone).

3- Toronto-
Wiseman for Terrence Davis/ Chris Boucher/ 28th pick.
28- Draft Tyler Bey or Jaden McDaniels.

** I realize that Toronto has Gasol already, But they're set to lose Ibaka, And Gasol provides almost zero defense and rim protection value. Wiseman would easily give them this, OR could give them a premium and very desirable trade asset in a trade for Giannis too.

Anyways, IF we were to select Wiseman with the 10th pick ( with the intention of flipping him for additional assets ( vets/ other picks, etc.) Which trades do you guys prefer or see as best to consider???

[WeekapaugGroove]

Oh and by the way they took Desmond Bane (the TCU senior SG) to Portland for the 14th pick. I’m not saying it would be a terrible pick, but I got a chuckle out of the philosophy of being super down on guys like Toppin and Wiseman and ignoring their elite traits, while hyping up guys like Desmond Bane and Pokusevski who have lower ceilings and similar bust potential - only focusing on what they can do well which is shoot. Like I said, it’s very hard to escape the echochamber and find draft analysts who can be objective once they’ve made their mind up on a prospect.

I would encourage people listen to the latest Game Theory podcast (hosted by Sam Vencini) which featured Spencer Pearlman. I think you’ll find more consistent and fair evaluations of players by Sam over on that pod (though he tends to be overly optimistic in general). They spent a good deal of time discussing Toppin, Haliburton, and Hayes in that episode.

There's is a bit of an echo chamber with draft Twitter/ podcasts, no doubt about that.

I think Wiseman gets downgraded mostly by simple supply and demand. When you can get a guy like Drummond for free it Capella on a decent contract for a late 1st I get why it would be questioned if using a top 5 pick on Wiseman is bad value. Since finding a replacement level C is pretty easy then you need a C drafted high to be far above that level.

Topin is an interesting case. Guys like him with elite scoring but likely poor D basically need to be a star on O to make sense with most teams. You have build the team to compliment his weakness. If he reaches his offensive potential then that's not a problem, if he's like a 3rd or 4th option on O then his value is dimishished unless the stars on your team are great defenders. We kind of saw a smaller scale example of this with Warren and the suns, he's a good scorer but when your best offensive player in Booker is a bad defender a guy like Warren is a harder fit.

Shooting is probably slightly overrated these days but in a way they aren't wrong that it's usually easy to fit a one dimensional shooter in as a rule player than a guy who's elite at something else but can't shoot from distance.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Oh and by the way they took Desmond Bane (the TCU senior SG) to Portland for the 14th pick. I’m not saying it would be a terrible pick, but I got a chuckle out of the philosophy of being super down on guys like Toppin and Wiseman and ignoring their elite traits, while hyping up guys like Desmond Bane and Pokusevski who have lower ceilings and similar bust potential - only focusing on what they can do well which is shoot. Like I said, it’s very hard to escape the echochamber and find draft analysts who can be objective once they’ve made their mind up on a prospect.

I would encourage people listen to the latest Game Theory podcast (hosted by Sam Vencini) which featured Spencer Pearlman. I think you’ll find more consistent and fair evaluations of players by Sam over on that pod (though he tends to be overly optimistic in general). They spent a good deal of time discussing Toppin, Haliburton, and Hayes in that episode.

There's is a bit of an echo chamber with draft Twitter/ podcasts, no doubt about that.

I think Wiseman gets downgraded mostly by simple supply and demand. When you can get a guy like Drummond for free it Capella on a decent contract for a late 1st I get why it would be questioned if using a top 5 pick on Wiseman is bad value. Since finding a replacement level C is pretty easy then you need a C drafted high to be far above that level.

Topin is an interesting case. Guys like him with elite scoring but likely poor D basically need to be a star on O to make sense with most teams. You have build the team to compliment his weakness. If he reaches his offensive potential then that's not a problem, if he's like a 3rd or 4th option on O then his value is dimishished unless the stars on your team are great defenders. We kind of saw a smaller scale example of this with Warren and the suns, he's a good scorer but when your best offensive player in Booker is a bad defender a guy like Warren is a harder fit.

Shooting is probably slightly overrated these days but in a way they aren't wrong that it's usually easy to fit a one dimensional shooter in as a rule player than a guy who's elite at something else but can't shoot from distance.

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$28 million/year is free? Dayum didn't realize you were rolling like that, Week!

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[Blonde]

Oh and by the way they took Desmond Bane (the TCU senior SG) to Portland for the 14th pick. I’m not saying it would be a terrible pick, but I got a chuckle out of the philosophy of being super down on guys like Toppin and Wiseman and ignoring their elite traits, while hyping up guys like Desmond Bane and Pokusevski who have lower ceilings and similar bust potential - only focusing on what they can do well which is shoot. Like I said, it’s very hard to escape the echochamber and find draft analysts who can be objective once they’ve made their mind up on a prospect.

I would encourage people listen to the latest Game Theory podcast (hosted by Sam Vencini) which featured Spencer Pearlman. I think you’ll find more consistent and fair evaluations of players by Sam over on that pod (though he tends to be overly optimistic in general). They spent a good deal of time discussing Toppin, Haliburton, and Hayes in that episode.

There's is a bit of an echo chamber with draft Twitter/ podcasts, no doubt about that.

I think Wiseman gets downgraded mostly by simple supply and demand. When you can get a guy like Drummond for free it Capella on a decent contract for a late 1st I get why it would be questioned if using a top 5 pick on Wiseman is bad value. Since finding a replacement level C is pretty easy then you need a C drafted high to be far above that level.

Topin is an interesting case. Guys like him with elite scoring but likely poor D basically need to be a star on O to make sense with most teams. You have build the team to compliment his weakness. If he reaches his offensive potential then that's not a problem, if he's like a 3rd or 4th option on O then his value is dimishished unless the stars on your team are great defenders. We kind of saw a smaller scale example of this with Warren and the suns, he's a good scorer but when your best offensive player in Booker is a bad defender a guy like Warren is a harder fit.

Shooting is probably slightly overrated these days but in a way they aren't wrong that it's usually easy to fit a one dimensional shooter in as a rule player than a guy who's elite at something else but can't shoot from distance.

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I don’t have a problem with ranking Wiseman or Toppin lower on big boards, per say. It’s more so the fact that if they rate these guys as mid first round prospects then talk about them the same way you talk about other guys you rank in that range. Don’t just spew out all the reasons why they shouldn’t be top 5 guys (which I tend to agree with). I’m totally in on the replacement value of centers being the lowest cost commodity in the league. And one dimensional scoring being very overrated. But a starting center with defensive anchor potential still holds good value, as does an elite roll man who can also shoot and pass. You have to mention the reasons why NBA execs are high on them. Don’t jerk off Leandro Bolmaro, and Grant Riller while **** on Wiseman and Toppin. In any case, I’m just nitpicking. There’s nothing else going on and these guys put a lot more effort into the draft than me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[WeekapaugGroove]

Oh and by the way they took Desmond Bane (the TCU senior SG) to Portland for the 14th pick. I’m not saying it would be a terrible pick, but I got a chuckle out of the philosophy of being super down on guys like Toppin and Wiseman and ignoring their elite traits, while hyping up guys like Desmond Bane and Pokusevski who have lower ceilings and similar bust potential - only focusing on what they can do well which is shoot. Like I said, it’s very hard to escape the echochamber and find draft analysts who can be objective once they’ve made their mind up on a prospect.

I would encourage people listen to the latest Game Theory podcast (hosted by Sam Vencini) which featured Spencer Pearlman. I think you’ll find more consistent and fair evaluations of players by Sam over on that pod (though he tends to be overly optimistic in general). They spent a good deal of time discussing Toppin, Haliburton, and Hayes in that episode.

There's is a bit of an echo chamber with draft Twitter/ podcasts, no doubt about that.

I think Wiseman gets downgraded mostly by simple supply and demand. When you can get a guy like Drummond for free it Capella on a decent contract for a late 1st I get why it would be questioned if using a top 5 pick on Wiseman is bad value. Since finding a replacement level C is pretty easy then you need a C drafted high to be far above that level.

Topin is an interesting case. Guys like him with elite scoring but likely poor D basically need to be a star on O to make sense with most teams. You have build the team to compliment his weakness. If he reaches his offensive potential then that's not a problem, if he's like a 3rd or 4th option on O then his value is dimishished unless the stars on your team are great defenders. We kind of saw a smaller scale example of this with Warren and the suns, he's a good scorer but when your best offensive player in Booker is a bad defender a guy like Warren is a harder fit.

Shooting is probably slightly overrated these days but in a way they aren't wrong that it's usually easy to fit a one dimensional shooter in as a rule player than a guy who's elite at something else but can't shoot from distance.

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$28 million/year is free? Dayum didn't realize you were rolling like that, Week!

Free to trade for, but that was impacted by the contract too.

C's are going to be interesting contracts moving forward because if your guy isn't elite then you shouldn't break the bank for them. Gobert will be one to watch next since he's super max eligible to be extended this fall. Ayton will also be an interesting contract negotiation in 21, hopefully he balls out and is a no brainier mini max.

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[bwgood77]

Why did Wiseman drop so far?

Wouldn't know. I don't think they mentioned him. Wacky af.

A lot of draftnic types are going to be low on Wiseman because they just don't value rim running C's. Now I hope some team rolls the dice on him early because I have no interest for the suns and it would push another player down.

Wiseman is a guy who really needs in person workouts to happen. He's the type that a FO can talk themselves into when they get him in their gym and see his size and athleticism in person.

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Guys that miss their college seasons almost always drop, especially bigs. But Melton, Robinson, Porter, etc....rarely will a guy go high when he didn't get much game time...I'm not even sure why he left college or what his injury problems may have been. Bigs are just in a lot less demand now. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him really slide. Centers in general just are not as highly valued any more. You can run all sorts of lineups and multiple guard or wing lineups, small ball, etc, but bigs or having too many of them can be limiting. I'd be pretty shocked if we took Wiseman.

[GoodBehavior]

Wouldn't know. I don't think they mentioned him. Wacky af.

A lot of draftnic types are going to be low on Wiseman because they just don't value rim running C's. Now I hope some team rolls the dice on him early because I have no interest for the suns and it would push another player down.

Wiseman is a guy who really needs in person workouts to happen. He's the type that a FO can talk themselves into when they get him in their gym and see his size and athleticism in person.

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Guys that miss their college seasons almost always drop, especially bigs. But Melton, Robinson, Porter, etc....rarely will a guy go high when he didn't get much game time...I'm not even sure why he left college or what his injury problems may have been. Bigs are just in a lot less demand now. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him really slide. Centers in general just are not as highly valued any more. You can run all sorts of lineups and multiple guard or wing lineups, small ball, etc, but bigs or having too many of them can be limiting. I'd be pretty shocked if we took Wiseman.

The same logic applies to Toppin. He's a dinosaur (traditional 4) in an evolving game where 4 are expected to either be able to play some small ball 5 or play some small forward. Toppin is neither. I would argue that the 4, defensively, is as important as the 5. Toppin misses the mark.

Any yet, Toppin is generally thought to go in the top 7 or so. Personally, I would avoid Toppin before I would avoid Wiseman. Wiseman is just a wildcard. If his individual workout lights up, you have to think twice on passing on him. He's a potential hybrid between a AD/Mitchell Robinson and Ayton. That's a pretty unique player.

This is all moot, in any case. I highly doubt either Toppin or Wiseman is on JJ's list. This team is drafting a point guard.

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I might also add this though:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sircharlesincharge.com/2020/03/14/howard-top-shooting-prospects-nba-draft/amp/

With Special emphasis on John Petty44% from three, and Jake Toolson47 % from three. These two could be great value picks if we purchase a mid to late 2nd round pick. Jake Toolson kinda reminds me a bit of Luke Kennard/ Duncan Robinson with his ball handling, craftiness, and long range shooting prowess. Imagine getting a Kennard/ Robinson clone to play off our bench with it only costing us a late 2nd or on a two way contract!

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Apologies, Upon reflection and further research, Sam Merrill of Utah State
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sam-merrill-1.html

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seems a lot closer to Luke Kennard than what Toolson does in style of play/ lethal knock down shooting anywhere on the court. And would also be considered as a late first to undrafted two way option for us.

[bwgood77]

A lot of draftnic types are going to be low on Wiseman because they just don't value rim running C's. Now I hope some team rolls the dice on him early because I have no interest for the suns and it would push another player down.

Wiseman is a guy who really needs in person workouts to happen. He's the type that a FO can talk themselves into when they get him in their gym and see his size and athleticism in person.

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Guys that miss their college seasons almost always drop, especially bigs. But Melton, Robinson, Porter, etc....rarely will a guy go high when he didn't get much game time...I'm not even sure why he left college or what his injury problems may have been. Bigs are just in a lot less demand now. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him really slide. Centers in general just are not as highly valued any more. You can run all sorts of lineups and multiple guard or wing lineups, small ball, etc, but bigs or having too many of them can be limiting. I'd be pretty shocked if we took Wiseman.

The same logic applies to Toppin. He's a dinosaur (traditional 4) in an evolving game where 4 are expected to either be able to play some small ball 5 or play some small forward. Toppin is neither. I would argue that the 4, defensively, is as important as the 5. Toppin misses the mark.

Any yet, Toppin is generally thought to go in the top 7 or so. Personally, I would avoid Toppin before I would avoid Wiseman. Wiseman is just a wildcard. If his individual workout lights up, you have to think twice on passing on him. He's a potential hybrid between a AD/Mitchell Robinson and Ayton. That's a pretty unique player.

This is all moot, in any case. I highly doubt either Toppin or Wiseman is on JJ's list. This team is drafting a point guard.

I wouldn't call Toppin a dinosaur or traditional type of PF at all. He's extremely versatile offensively, a good passer, a really good 3 pt shooter for a 4 (39% on solid volume), electrifying at running the floor and finishing, and extremely efficient with over a 68% TS%. He even blocks shots.

With Wiseman you are trusting how good he was in HS and a couple non conference college games. He likely has no range, doesn't move the ball and is a very poor free throw shooter. You are just getting a finisher and shot blocker. In his AAU games he averaged like 16/6. He did hit some 3s there, but that was in HS.

You can't really compare them too much because Toppin was a monster in college lifting a small school to like #5 in the country while Wiseman quit college so we just don't know how he is against tougher competition.

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Yam Madar making his case to be considered as a legitimate prospect?

Poor outing by Deni though. Ouch!!!! I mean ZERO POINTS and 0/3 on threes. That's gotta hurt. Hopefully he can string together some better performances before the draft.

[SlovenianDragon]

No way we get Toppin unless we move up. Id go for Jalen Smith or Paul Reed with our pick.

I like Jalen smith more.

1. Toppin
2. Smith
3. Reed

1 of those three im gucci mang.

Guess thats where ill be all the way to draft time. Not that much can change now.

[darealjuice]

I'd consider Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Toppin, and Avdija if they fell to us at 10. Anthony is interesting too, but I don't think he's the type of point guard we'd want. I like guys like Vassell, Nesmith, and to a lesser extent Okoro, not sure how we're finding minutes for all of these wings going forward though.

I'm really looking to trade this pick if we end up top 4 though. None of these guys are sure things, and we should to be in the market for immediate production. I'm more open to drafting at 10 because someone might drop with the wide range of opinions and the pick has lower trade value, but even then it's up for sale.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd consider Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Toppin, and Avdija if they fell to us at 10. Anthony is interesting too, but I don't think he's the type of point guard we'd want. I like guys like Vassell, Nesmith, and to a lesser extent Okoro, not sure how we're finding minutes for all of these wings going forward though.

I'm really looking to trade this pick if we end up top 4 though. None of these guys are sure things, and we should to be in the market for immediate production. I'm more open to drafting at 10 because someone might drop with the wide range of opinions and the pick has lower trade value, but even then it's up for sale.

I wouldn't mind another wing - I just think Okoro's overrated. Each of Bridges, Cam and Oubre gets minutes at the 4, and Bridges is our backup 2 as well. We look deep at the 3 but if there's an injury to any of them, given how much we rely on them, we end up replacing them with a small guard or a big in the rotation. If you think of the wing spots as included the 2 and/or the 4, then we're not deep at the wing at all. Heck, all you gotta do is put up a depth chart with Bridges and Oubre as your starters and it becomes clear as day that your rotation falls apart if any one of those guys is out.

So yeah, I'd prefer to grab even a 3 to a 1. Especially if we think Oubre might leave in a year. I'd be more inclined to give a vet contract to a backup PG than SF because what quality vet is going to want to sit on the bench behind a bunch of young guys? We could grab a vet 1 AND a vet 2 and tell both of them with a straight face they'll be in the rotation as Ricky's or Devin's primary back up.

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Guys that miss their college seasons almost always drop, especially bigs. But Melton, Robinson, Porter, etc....rarely will a guy go high when he didn't get much game time...I'm not even sure why he left college or what his injury problems may have been. Bigs are just in a lot less demand now. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him really slide. Centers in general just are not as highly valued any more. You can run all sorts of lineups and multiple guard or wing lineups, small ball, etc, but bigs or having too many of them can be limiting. I'd be pretty shocked if we took Wiseman.

The same logic applies to Toppin. He's a dinosaur (traditional 4) in an evolving game where 4 are expected to either be able to play some small ball 5 or play some small forward. Toppin is neither. I would argue that the 4, defensively, is as important as the 5. Toppin misses the mark.

Any yet, Toppin is generally thought to go in the top 7 or so. Personally, I would avoid Toppin before I would avoid Wiseman. Wiseman is just a wildcard. If his individual workout lights up, you have to think twice on passing on him. He's a potential hybrid between a AD/Mitchell Robinson and Ayton. That's a pretty unique player.

This is all moot, in any case. I highly doubt either Toppin or Wiseman is on JJ's list. This team is drafting a point guard.

I wouldn't call Toppin a dinosaur or traditional type of PF at all. He's extremely versatile offensively, a good passer, a really good 3 pt shooter for a 4 (39% on solid volume), electrifying at running the floor and finishing, and extremely efficient with over a 68% TS%. He even blocks shots.

With Wiseman you are trusting how good he was in HS and a couple non conference college games. He likely has no range, doesn't move the ball and is a very poor free throw shooter. You are just getting a finisher and shot blocker. In his AAU games he averaged like 16/6. He did hit some 3s there, but that was in HS.

You can't really compare them too much because Toppin was a monster in college lifting a small school to like #5 in the country while Wiseman quit college so we just don't know how he is against tougher competition.

Dinosaur might be a harsh word, but his game is very reliant on the inside (both side of the ball). And that's a bad spot to be for a 4 at the next level, if you're not named Zion or Giannis. His 3pt percentage is a small sample size and his ft% isn't ideal. I wouldn't call him a shooter by any stretch. He's definitely a "dinosaur" when it comes to defense. A power forward that can't provide weak side protection is basically Saric on D. Remember the Ryan Anderson experiment or the TJ Warren at the 4... Toppin is looking to be worse than that. No thanks.

He's the Enes Kanter or Jahlil Okafor version of the power forward, assuming his offensive game translate at the next level as Okafor and Kanter has. No matter how good he's on offense, his defense will be that bad.

Wiseman will be drafted early in the lottery with close to zero chance of falling to us at 10. Teams are not relying on HS tapes, his potential is simply undeniable. His defensive potential is off the charts (AD, Mitch Robinson-tier) and he moves his feet like Ayton (almost guard like). Because of his lateral movement, his defense potential is higher than Mo Bamba. Kid could be very, very special on D.

His offense is extremely raw and it looks very awkward at times, but his jump shot mechanic is very solid and promising. Fluid and excellent body control for someone of his size. Runs the floor well. BBIQ is raw and low. Paul Pierce and Penny Hardaway sees a lot of Chris Bosh in him. I can kinda see it, especially on the jumper potential and fluidity, but more a poor man's version of Bosh. Overall, I see a Mitchell Robinson that could one day space the floor with the 3 ball.

Twin tower potential with Ayton would be insane on D. Probably makes us, by default, the best defensively team (even with Booker). If both can hit the long ball ... don't kill me, but I think the tandem might be better than old man Robinson / young Tim Duncan.