Trade Discussion Thread 2: DRAGIC/PICK FOR BROOKS Page 21

[Risensun]

not getting Troy will certainly be the next catalyst for yet another chorus of anti management chiming.

Frank your right that management has been quiet but that's what makes it even worse. They don't seem to have a plan in place. Portland FO knew they had to make a move to get bigger and they brought in Gerald Wallace for expirings and draft picks.

It seems all this talk about making a final push is simply a public relations spin to sell tickets. We needed a quality PF and at least 2 were on the market. We ended up trading for a guard.... If their all about the youth movement and the future that's fine but then trading your young point guard prospect and 1 st round pick for a half a season rental is questionable at best.

Any way ending the rant Frank. Long day at work today... Between the Suns and work I'll probably have to begin to drink myself to sleep.

[Frank Lee]

Frank your right that management has been quiet but that's what makes it even worse. They don't seem to have a plan in place. Portland FO knew they had to make a move to get bigger and they brought in Gerald Wallace for expirings and draft picks.

Because you do not see a plan, so one does not exist ? Come on. Are these guys supposed to map out a roster itinerary for us ?

We didnt have but 1 expiring deal expendable... and it was a whopper (17+4 mill)

I didnt like the trade, but am willing to wait for final judgment.... and that may not come until the off season as Brooks likely has more trade value/flexibility than Goran. On the court, Dragic will not be hard to replace. Dowdell was doing it.


PS. Gerald Wallace did not make Portland bigger. They dealt Pryzb for him... GW made them better.

[SSOL]

No plan in place? Really? Seems to me that they are trying to fix the team's flaws. They have gotten tougher, more defensive minded, and are actually winning. The team has won 10 of its last 13 games, is tied for the NBA's 3rd-best record in the month of February and over the past 10 games are #4 in scoring and #6 in point differential. Let it be known that Troy Murphy plays absolutely zero defense and adding him would require an indoctrination period which could sacrifice much needed wins. Something that just can't be done right now.

[Miklo]

No plan in place? Really? Seems to me that they are trying to fix the team's flaws. They have gotten tougher, more defensive minded, and are actually winning. The team has won 10 of its last 13 games, is tied for the NBA's 3rd-best record in the month of February and over the past 10 games are #4 in scoring and #6 in point differential. Let it be known that Troy Murphy plays absolutely zero defense and adding him would require an indoctrination period which could sacrifice much needed wins. Something that just can't be done right now.

I agree I mean I'm sure Troy has some left in the tank, he can probably be a starter in the league but now that we have what's shaping up to be a legit big man rotation I don't see any reason to throw a wrench in - much rather establish Gortat, Lopez and Frye's positions since they all are showing signs of being able to hold it down. Until we get an opportunity to get someone on Millsap's level that is

[Sun Scorched]

Until we get an opportunity to get someone on Millsap's level that is

That would have been nice, huh?

[Frank Lee]

In two games, Brooks already looks better. Contributed big in NJ in the 4th. Almost kept Nash on the bench....and may be should have The dude is a 90% free throw shooter too.

[BurningHeart]

Like I've said over the last few days....Brooks will be better for us in the immediate short-term....but long-term, this trade will prove to be a bad one.

[jwilb49]

hey everyone BurningHeart can read the future.. ask him for lottery numbers........ hey man dont say this is a bad trade in the long run... how can u tell???? i guarantee dragic will be back in europe in the next two years.... brooks will be a solid pg starter or not....

[MrMiyagi]

Like I've said over the last few days....Brooks will be better for us in the immediate short-term....but long-term, this trade will prove to be a bad one.

+1

hey everyone BurningHeart can read the future.. ask him for lottery numbers........ hey man dont say this is a bad trade in the long run... how can u tell???? i guarantee dragic will be back in europe in the next two years.... brooks will be a solid pg starter or not....

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Brooks is a scoring point guard with some passing skills. Both pretty similar in that aspect. But Dragic is more versatile since he can play the 2, giving us more options down the road, thusly being the better overall long term.

[jwilb49]

dragic hit the road.... no long term plans there.... dragic will be in europe in two years or less... that sounds short term... also dragic wasnt agood 1 he was more of a 2

[lilfishi22]

I like Dragic a lot more as the PG of the future than Brooks. Dragic is more athletic, bigger, more of a true PG and can score. Brooks is an undersized 2 with PG skills who would make a great 6th man. Brooks isn't old but his game hasn't really changed all that much since he's been in the NBA. Dragic's assist rate has gone up year after year while Brook's assist rates has flat lined at 25%.

[BurningHeart]

Don't quote the idiot, please. Harshing my buzz.

But since I saw the post.....I have to attack the "logic". How can you criticize me for "knowing the future" then saying you guarantee Dragic will be back in Europe in two years? Stupid.

[MrMiyagi]

Don't quote the idiot, please. Harshing my buzz.

But since I saw the post.....I have to attack the "logic". How can you criticize me for "knowing the future" then saying you guarantee Dragic will be back in Europe in two years? Stupid.

Sorry, will refrain next time

[jwilb49]

dragic agent says he is unhappy in nba and polans to be back in europe in two years hahaha

[DRK]

dragic agent says he is unhappy in nba and polans to be back in europe in two years hahaha

Link or it didnt happen.

[Revived]

I like Dragic a lot more as the PG of the future than Brooks. Dragic is more athletic, bigger, more of a true PG and can score. Brooks is an undersized 2 with PG skills who would make a great 6th man. Brooks isn't old but his game hasn't really changed all that much since he's been in the NBA. Dragic's assist rate has gone up year after year while Brook's assist rates has flat lined at 25%.

I dont agree with this. Neither are actual PGs...Both Dragic & Brooks are shoot first guards who know little about playmaking. This was good because Dragic had the size to guard SGs but Brooks doesnt.

And Dragic's assist rate is just a product of the fast paced system. I have no doubt that Brooks numbers will go up.

[lilfishi22]

I like Dragic a lot more as the PG of the future than Brooks. Dragic is more athletic, bigger, more of a true PG and can score. Brooks is an undersized 2 with PG skills who would make a great 6th man. Brooks isn't old but his game hasn't really changed all that much since he's been in the NBA. Dragic's assist rate has gone up year after year while Brook's assist rates has flat lined at 25%.

I dont agree with this. Neither are actual PGs...Both Dragic & Brooks are shoot first guards who know little about playmaking. This was good because Dragic had the size to guard SGs but Brooks doesnt.

And Dragic's assist rate is just a product of the fast paced system. I have no doubt that Brooks numbers will go up.

Regardless of pace, Dragic's assist rate has risen every year. Even if we ignore pace, Brook's numbers should still be going up as he improves at his position, which he hasn't. He's become more of a scorer and less of a PG.

Seeing them play, there's a clear difference in their styles. Dragic looks to create plays off the system first, while Brooks creates for himself first and for his team second. Dragic isn't miles ahead of Brooks in the playmaking department but we've definitely been developing him as a true PG and I think we've seen some success.

[Calvin Klein]

Don't quote the idiot, please. Harshing my buzz.

But since I saw the post.....I have to attack the "logic". How can you criticize me for "knowing the future" then saying you guarantee Dragic will be back in Europe in two years? Stupid.

[mybloodisorange]

dragic agent says he is unhappy in nba and polans to be back in europe in two years hahaha

Link or it didnt happen.

I'm assuming this http://arizona.sbnation.com/2010/8/21/1634968/goran-dragic--might-leave-nba-phoenix-suns#goran-dragic-refutes-report-that-he-wants-to-leave-the-nba is what hes talking about.

Sounds like Goran said some things in an interview that rang some alarms then his agent came back with some damage control. No way of knowing either way it is what it is.

This is why i feel they made the trade.

Goran has been on a bit of a rollercoaster productionwise this year, and didnt really seem to be showing much improvement from last year, if any. I've also heard that he likes to party and this had something to do with his foot injury - im sure management frowned on that as well. Nothin wrong with an adult man wanting to have some fun but when you injure yourself and take yourself out of x many games while getting paid, your team tends to frown on that.

Someone who led the NBA in 3s like Brooks while netting the leagues most improved player could thrive in phoenix's offense. We still have Nash for a short while, if Brooks can learn more playmaking skills from Nash with his shooting and quickness he may be a nice piece in the future. I know teams frown on his size because he can be pushed around on defense but all the Suns simply have do is the same thing they do for Nash when hes in - let Hill guard his man.

[Frank Lee]

This trade has the potential to be the next Hindsight Whine-sight.

It seems most of the complaints center around 'the PG for postNash apocalypse'. A lot of crytal ballin going on here....

Look at last yr and the predictions for Goran then tell me of your gypsy-like abilities. Even I, Frankstradamus , did not see the Dragon losing his fire.

Many are/were clinging desperately to the 'next Nash' notion. Goran showed nothing but mediocrity this yr. He lost his mojo and place in line for the Whirling Dervish throne. If anything, this might be a sign the FO will keep the dishmasta for his duration. And please, consider the notion that Nash and his unique skill set IS the SYSTEM and cannot be replaced with a clone/stand in, especially one who plays with his right hand in his pocket.

There has been enough talk of his regression. Management was disappointed in his play this yr... and may be his preparation/behavior. Personally, I dont believe the cut foot story released... Stepped on an unbroken glass ? The dude is 20... with a million bucks and his backhome boys in town.... Beer was involved... count on it . It discouraged the FO. Factor in Dowdell's more than adequate replacement run and Doran became expendable.


They saw a chance to get a much more dynamic and consistent scorer in Brooks... and Puff... the magic Dragon was gone.

This is an upgrade. Draft pick be damned (weak draft/CBA/we had 2.... another story/thread)

I am over it already. Full steam ahead.

(shake it off JVC)