The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[kingstyyyle]

I'll take back Lopez but only if he agrees to play with a 2X4 strapped to his back.

[SunsFanSSOL]

What clutchfans are saying about Dragic/Bledsoe

I never post stuff like this, always opinions....or what I see as the truth about players...owners : ) , etc... I know I'm going out on a limb here....virgin territory for me.

The thing is... a friend told me there was going to be something about to be done regarding PG after the Bosh fiasco went down. ....that is was coming "VERY soon"..as in the next 24....was told that it was Gogi or Rondo. I posted something to that effect. Well, it's taken awhile, but IT is happening...told it was Gogi. I'm seeing a lot more Rondo rumors here, but I stand by my source. There IS a big move coming at PG.....and I'm hearing that it's the Return of the Dragon.

As to what it will cost to pry Dragic away....You will be shocked at how little we give away to get him, and it's precisely because of that contract.
And sit down, for this will blow you away.... Goran will ink a prearranged longterm deal upon his arrival.
Don't be so naïve...It's business.

Plowman, could you share the latest, if there is any?

Nothing new....We ARE getting a PG...pretty sure it's going to be Dragic.

So what are the odds we land one of the Suns PGs still?.

VERY GOOD

This plowman guy also believes that the Suns started the Bledsoe to LA rumor in order to gain leverage in Dragic trade discussions. It's important to note he's been around clutchfans since 1999 and he's apparently reported something before.

[Kerrsed]

What clutchfans are saying about Dragic/Bledsoe

I never post stuff like this, always opinions....or what I see as the truth about players...owners : ) , etc... I know I'm going out on a limb here....virgin territory for me.

The thing is... a friend told me there was going to be something about to be done regarding PG after the Bosh fiasco went down. ....that is was coming "VERY soon"..as in the next 24....was told that it was Gogi or Rondo. I posted something to that effect. Well, it's taken awhile, but IT is happening...told it was Gogi. I'm seeing a lot more Rondo rumors here, but I stand by my source. There IS a big move coming at PG.....and I'm hearing that it's the Return of the Dragon.

As to what it will cost to pry Dragic away....You will be shocked at how little we give away to get him, and it's precisely because of that contract.
And sit down, for this will blow you away.... Goran will ink a prearranged longterm deal upon his arrival.
Don't be so naïve...It's business.

Plowman, could you share the latest, if there is any?

Nothing new....We ARE getting a PG...pretty sure it's going to be Dragic.

So what are the odds we land one of the Suns PGs still?.

VERY GOOD

This plowman guy also believes that the Suns started the Bledsoe to LA rumor in order to gain leverage in Dragic trade discussions. It's important to note he's been around clutchfans since 1999 and he's apparently reported something before.

Im only on page 310.

[Jdiddy701]

Suns aren't that dumb to trade Dragic, are they?

[RunDogGun]

Plowman=Rocketman44?

[King4Day]

It wouldn't surprise me if we did deal Dragic but for 'very little'? Maybe a 3 way deal that nets us Rondo with Jones or something going to Boston? I dunno. Very un-Mcdonough-like if Dragic is traded for very little. Maybe the guy means the Rockets won't give up much in a 3 way deal.

If Dragic is deal though, I'd expect a Bledsoe signing to be announced very soon after. Thomas would replace Dragic then.

And most importantly and disappointing...my Dragic jersey, like the rest of mine, would become retro

[PhxSunsFan1234]

I LOVE Dragic and his game. But he's already said he's going to opt out. And depending on what he wants, determines if he's worth trading. If you can get him $12mil/yr, keep him. If he's looking for a Tony Parker deal at $15/per, send him away. No PG, with the exception of CP3, Westbrook, Rose (prime) and maybe a couple others are.

What Dragic did last year shocked the world. But will he do it again? Was it a fluke? Will he do better? Who knows. But the PG position is too deep to pay a boarderline star $15mil per. That gets you into cap hell and ruins your cap space, and team for years to come.

Don't see it happening nonetheless.


And lol at Markieff being 20/8.

[kingstyyyle]

Jeezy freaking Creezy I hope we don't trade Dragic for "very little". This off season has been kinda a bust.

[Scutt]

I'll take back Lopez but only if he agrees to play with a 2X4 strapped to his back.

You want him to stand up straight and be a total stiff? Have you ever actually played basketball? Do you know what a good defensive stance looks like? Crouching must not be an issue for Lopez because he averaged about two blocks a game last year.

[suns91fan]

Some people here are seriously underrating Markieff's game. What i liked about him last season was his ability to get to the line. 4.0 FTAs in 26.6 minutes played (or 5.5 FTAs per 36) is amazing. Only eight other forwards in the NBA averaged more FTAs than him (Durant, Griffin, Love, James, Anthony, George, Millsap and Gay). He deserves a chance to start and show what's he truly capable of.

[kingstyyyle]

I'll take back Lopez but only if he agrees to play with a 2X4 strapped to his back.

You want him to stand up straight and be a total stiff? Have you ever actually played basketball? Do you know what a good defensive stance looks like? Crouching must not be an issue for Lopez because he averaged about two blocks a game last year.

I guess playing hunched over and having your 7-1 center play like a 6-0 center is good defense. Ive never seen a 7-1 guy get stripped, blocked and lose rebounds more than he did because he literally had the playing style of a midget. I noticed he kept his back straighter last year maybe that's way he played better but you can't seriously think advertising your booty all over the court like he did is anything but bad technique.

[drewsprocket]

Dragic is worth 15 per year.
He's in his prime and just started peaking. He's they type of player who is your clutch guy in the playoffs and can win provided there is a cast of players around him who share the load. Dragic deserves more credit than he got last year. He was the **** Phoenix Suns last year. We need to maintain and add star talent to this team.
Despite being left off the all stars - Dragic is still a star. He's our marquee star player. Keeping Bledsoe gives us the likelihood that Dragic is not alone running the show, however, Bled has to actually show up night in and night out.

I understand that NBA players are quite fraternal and advocate for higher pay for each other...but I wonder chemistry wise how his teammates think about Bledsoe demanding to be the MAX guy after playing half the season and thus being the primary factor behind the Suns not making the playoffs.

[Scutt]

It wouldn't surprise me if we did deal Dragic but for 'very little'? Maybe a 3 way deal that nets us Rondo with Jones or something going to Boston? I dunno. Very un-Mcdonough-like if Dragic is traded for very little. Maybe the guy means the Rockets won't give up much in a 3 way deal.

If Dragic is deal though, I'd expect a Bledsoe signing to be announced very soon after. Thomas would replace Dragic then.

And most importantly and disappointing...my Dragic jersey, like the rest of mine, would become retro

Why would we want Rondo? We would be in the same situation as we would be with Dragic. They will both be free agents in a year and both want to get paid. I would take Dragic over Rondo any day. Rondo is like a career 25% shooter from 3.

[King4Day]

It wouldn't surprise me if we did deal Dragic but for 'very little'? Maybe a 3 way deal that nets us Rondo with Jones or something going to Boston? I dunno. Very un-Mcdonough-like if Dragic is traded for very little. Maybe the guy means the Rockets won't give up much in a 3 way deal.

If Dragic is deal though, I'd expect a Bledsoe signing to be announced very soon after. Thomas would replace Dragic then.

And most importantly and disappointing...my Dragic jersey, like the rest of mine, would become retro

Why would we want Rondo? We would be in the same situation as we would be with Dragic. They will both be free agents in a year and both want to get paid. I would take Dragic over Rondo any day. Rondo is like a career 25% shooter from 3.

I dunno. Just trying to justify how we'd be willing to take back so little to deal Dragic. It'd have to be some sort of 3 way deal. Maybe Jeff Green to jam up our SF's even more?

[drewsprocket]

Some people here are seriously underrating Markieff's game. What i liked about him last season was his ability to get to the line. 4.0 FTAs in 26.6 minutes played (or 5.5 FTAs per 36) is amazing. Only eight other forwards in the NBA averaged more FTAs than him (Durant, Griffin, Love, James, Anthony, George, Millsap and Gay). He deserves a chance to start and show what's he truly capable of.

People are drunk over Kieff...that's the problem...over analyzing a bench player who played 26 minutes per game and did a great job of it. He's not Kevin Garnett or Barkley or even C Webb...Hell, he's not even David West, yet. Look at his matchups for ****'s sake against bigger teams -- his rebounding drops and we lose. It's cool that he can score craftily and get to the line...perhaps he could develop into a starting PF. But let me ask this...What's the whole point if he can't get it done against bigger PF's and is out rebounded? Grab a real starting PF and keep him off the bench where he does the most damage.

We have such a gaping hole in our frontcourt finding consistent interior defense and keeping our opponents off the offensive glass but fans only wet themselves over a guy who could drop 14 points per game.

[Calvin Klein]

Hopefully they don't trade our best player. That is **** crazy.

[Scutt]

Dragic is worth 15 per year.
He's in his prime and just started peaking. He's they type of player who is your clutch guy in the playoffs and can win provided there is a cast of players around him who share the load. Dragic deserves more credit than he got last year. He was the **** Phoenix Suns last year. We need to maintain and add star talent to this team.
Despite being left off the all stars - Dragic is still a star. He's our marquee star player. Keeping Bledsoe gives us the likelihood that Dragic is not alone running the show, however, Bled has to actually show up night in and night out.

I understand that NBA players are quite fraternal and advocate for higher pay for each other...but I wonder chemistry wise how his teammates think about Bledsoe demanding to be the MAX guy after playing half the season and thus being the primary factor behind the Suns not making the playoffs.

Come on now, you have no way of knowing if Dragic can continue to put up those numbers consistently and be worthy of 15 million a year. How do you know he can be "your clutch guy" in the playoff's? Based off of what? Dragic is a fine player and a borderline all-star, but I don't consider him to be untradeable or our "franchise guy".
Goran Dragic as your teams best player is not going to go far in the playoffs, that is if they make it at all.

[kingstyyyle]

Dragic is worth 15 per year.
He's in his prime and just started peaking. He's they type of player who is your clutch guy in the playoffs and can win provided there is a cast of players around him who share the load. Dragic deserves more credit than he got last year. He was the **** Phoenix Suns last year. We need to maintain and add star talent to this team.
Despite being left off the all stars - Dragic is still a star. He's our marquee star player. Keeping Bledsoe gives us the likelihood that Dragic is not alone running the show, however, Bled has to actually show up night in and night out.

I understand that NBA players are quite fraternal and advocate for higher pay for each other...but I wonder chemistry wise how his teammates think about Bledsoe demanding to be the MAX guy after playing half the season and thus being the primary factor behind the Suns not making the playoffs.

Agreed. I'd rather have Dragic over Bledsoe 7 days a week and twice on Sunday

[SunsFanSSOL]

Dragic is worth 15 per year.
He's in his prime and just started peaking. He's they type of player who is your clutch guy in the playoffs and can win provided there is a cast of players around him who share the load. Dragic deserves more credit than he got last year. He was the **** Phoenix Suns last year. We need to maintain and add star talent to this team.
Despite being left off the all stars - Dragic is still a star. He's our marquee star player. Keeping Bledsoe gives us the likelihood that Dragic is not alone running the show, however, Bled has to actually show up night in and night out.

I think Dragic's improvement this year has to do with his system and the addition of Frye more than anything. Look how much Dragic suffers without Frye vs. Bledsoe, whose production takes no dip at all.



I honestly don't think Dragic truly improved from last year. He was capable of doing what he did this year, last year, but he was just put in a horrible situation with a horrible coach and horrible players. In Houston as a starter he averaged 18 and 8 on 49 % shooting and 38 % from 3.

Players typically begin to steadily decline after age 26 and begin to rapidly decline as they hit 30. Dragic is 28 and will be 29 when it's time to give him a contract. It is worth it to give $15m/yr to someone who is likely to decline after each year?



Yes, there are anomalies and some players "improve" with age such as Steve Nash, but it can also be argued that his perceived improvement in Phoenix vs Dallas was also a product of his introduction to a new system.

[JTrain]

Dammit my head is spinning again.

WE'RE NOT TRADING DRAGIC! I SAID IT FOUR TIMES.