The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

Revived · Post #841 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:36 am

BurningHeart wrote:This guy has a lot of work to do to repair his reputation with Suns fans. A lot.

It's going to take a whole lot for me to like this guy again.

Man, how is he going to sleep at night? :roll:

aIvin adams wrote:
I have no problem with him and can't wait to watch him in a suns uni next year. If he plays in Phoenix and plays as well as we all expect, no one will ever give a **** he took his time in free agency.

Exactly.

WTFsunsFTW · Post #842 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:31 am

Im still holding out hope for a Bledsoe AND Monroe signing

Give Detroit a $12M TPE and a pick or something (incentive not to match)

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Marcus/Warren
Markieff/Toliver/Shavlik
Monroe/Plumlee/Len

That is a deep and offensively gifted team! Who could keep up with that?

I think Monroe should get more props for his transition game and speed

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... run-35-mph

Greg Monroe was one of four centers in the NBA to have over 100 transitional opportunities last season, and he scored 1.324 points per attempt in transition. That is outstanding. For comparison, our Goran Dragic only scored 1.23 points per possession in transition.

The Pistons were 5th in the league in fast break points, and Monroe was a significant part of that. Not bad for a guy that is "too slow".

Additionally, there is a misconception that all Monroe does is post-up. Since when? I am sure many of you have watched this video (or maybe you haven't....), but Monroe possess and impressive face-up game that he utilizes off pick n roll/pop situations.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjLUTdgYWo[/youtube]

Moochthemonkey · Post #843 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:24 am

asudevil wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Sign the QO and trade him to Cleve for Thompson. Let lebron deal with his little buddy. If Cleve can land Love, Thompson may be moveable. He's one of those Long strong bigs that could be a double double machine here.

50% of something is better than 100% of nothing

Obviously I am in the Trade the Baby camp.
No time for love Dr Jones

I'm pretty sure if he takes his qo then any team he is traded to looses his bird right. Cleveland would not be able to offer him anything close to max

Cleveland could have much as 23.6 mil in cap room in the '15 offseason which means they could still offer Bledsoe the max (around 70/4).

Of course, this situation could only happen if they don't land Love.

asudevil · Post #844 » by **asudevil** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:53 am

Moochthemonkey wrote:
asudevil wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Sign the QO and trade him to Cleve for Thompson. Let lebron deal with his little buddy. If Cleve can land Love, Thompson may be moveable. He's one of those Long strong bigs that could be a double double machine here.

50% of something is better than 100% of nothing

Obviously I am in the Trade the Baby camp.
No time for love Dr Jones

I'm pretty sure if he takes his qo then any team he is traded to looses his bird right. Cleveland would not be able to offer him anything close to max

Cleveland could have much as 23.6 mil in cap room in the '15 offseason which means they could still offer Bledsoe the max (around 70/4).

Of course, this situation could only happen if they don't land Love.

In order to do so then the Cavs have to renounce Bennett/Thompson/Waiters + their first rounders + MLE + LLE and whatever exception they have.

Lebron/Irving/Wiggins = $42mil

In all honesty then, why don't the cavs just S&T for some of those pieces and call it a day. They'd be able to retain the exceptions in the process.

I'm just trying to point out that Bledsoe taking the QO does nothing for ANYONE. He would only be on the suns for one year, and IF he gets traded, then the team he goes to needs to have the cap space to max him out.

BurningHeart · Post #845 » by **BurningHeart** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:04 am

aIvin adams wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:This guy has a lot of work to do to repair his reputation with Suns fans. A lot.

It's going to take a whole lot for me to like this guy again.

I have no problem with him and can't wait to watch him in a suns uni next year. If he plays in Phoenix and plays as well as we all expect, no one will ever give a **** he took his time in free agency.

It's not taking his time that's the issue.

SSOL · Post #846 » by **SSOL** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:13 pm

carey wrote:
wordsenuff wrote:found this on Sheridanhoops.

Sheridan is a hack. Please don't post that garbage here. The fact that Dan Bickley thinks Sheridan broke the LeBron to Cleveland decision is just... ridiculous. No one that isn't a personal friend of Sheridan would say that.

He...did

Frank Lee · Post #847 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:02 pm

BurningHeart wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:This guy has a lot of work to do to repair his reputation with Suns fans. A lot.

It's going to take a whole lot for me to like this guy again.

I have no problem with him and can't wait to watch him in a suns uni next year. If he plays in Phoenix and plays as well as we all expect, no one will ever give a **** he took his time in free agency.

It's not taking his time that's the issue.

Yup BH ... It's his coy indifference about being here coupled with the not so subtle fingerpoint of blame. His camp needs to use their thumb when trying to figure out the situation/reasoning. Each day of stonewalling is a day closer to a trade. Trouble is, the market for him is equally limited there.

This is a festering boil

snowthedirtbub · Post #848 » by **snowthedirtbub** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:46 pm

If I was the Suns I would do what Steve Keim does for the Cardinals. Offer a player a contract and tell them once you leave the facility this offer expires. I would call up Bledsoes people say 4/48 is good for 24 more hours, after that were gonna take it off the table and reevaluate.

DRK · Post #849 » by **DRK** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:50 pm

Bledsoe plays hard ball, refuses to sign the 4/48 offer and puts out for the max.

Now suddenly no one has the cap space to offer him the max, and suddenly it's "our fault."

Yeah right EB. We'll be waiting for you to crawl back to us with your tail between your legs buddy.

SSOL · Post #850 » by **SSOL** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:59 pm

snowthedirtbub wrote:If I was the Suns I would do what Steve Keim does for the Cardinals. Offer a player a contract and tell them once you leave the facility this offer expires. I would call up Bledsoes people say 4/48 is good for 24 more hours, after that were gonna take it off the table and reevaluate.

Why? We have all the time in the world. We already signed IT and other landing spots are drying up. Let Bledsoe take/waste his time.

Sunsdeuce · Post #851 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:04 pm

Sources close to the Suns have said privately they expected Bledsoe back either on a new deal or after he signs the qualifying offer they issued worth just over $6.56 million. Basketball Insiders

Sources say there continues to be ongoing dialogue towards a deal and there is some sense that the Suns might increase their offer slightly; there has also been talk that Bledsoe’s camp might agree to a short-term deal that gets Bledsoe into free agency again inside the next three seasons. Basketball Insiders
Phoenix Suns, Free Agency, Eric Bledsoe

- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.kKKT2JZm.dpuf

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Sun Scorched · Post #852 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:19 pm

DRK wrote:Bledsoe plays hard ball, refuses to sign the 4/48 offer and puts out for the max.

Now suddenly no one has the cap space to offer him the max, and suddenly it's "our fault."

Haha. Exactly.

RunDogGun · Post #853 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:41 pm

DRK wrote:Bledsoe plays hard ball, refuses to sign the 4/48 offer and puts out for the max.

Now suddenly no one has the cap space to offer him the max, and suddenly it's "our fault."

Yeah right EB. We'll be waiting for you to crawl back to us with your tail between your legs buddy.

Couple things: it sounds like his agent told him this, and he regurgitated what his agent said. The agent said this because he was really more focused on LBJ instead of getting Bledsoe an offer at the start of FA period. Next both Bledsoe and his agent are dumb as f*ck. the agent should know his client is stupid! and will say what the agent said (in public) and then make his client seem like an infant.

The Suns should lower the offer, and keep lowering it once Philly is out of the picture in possible competition.

Honestly, it doesn't seem to me that Bledsoe wants to be here, or even appreciative of the opportunity we have given him. His injury to the same knee is quite concerning, so a large contract seems dumb from us. Forty f*cking games of second best production! for a contract that is twice what our most productive player provides? :lol:

I'm pretty much done with this clown, and his moron agent. Bledsoe either takes the supposed offer of 4/$48, shuts the heck up about it, and plays his arse off. Or we make him take the QO, stuff him on the bench behind IT, and completely kill his value. Maybe he can start bowling with Bynum.

bigfoot · Post #854 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:03 pm

If Blesode chooses to take the qualifying offer the Suns would be stupid to put him on the floor next season. It's not a matter of getting even with Bledsoe or killing his value as a 2015 UFA ... he would be telling us he doesn't want to be part of the Suns long term plans. In that case we absolutely need to develop Goodwin and Ennis.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin

I still can't imagine Bledsoe passing on $48M ... smh

RunDogGun · Post #855 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:14 pm

bigfoot wrote:If Blesode chooses to take the qualifying offer the Suns would be stupid to put him on the floor next season. It's not a matter of getting even with Bledsoe or killing his value as a 2015 UFA ... he would be telling us he doesn't want to be part of the Suns long term plans. In that case we absolutely need to develop Goodwin and Ennis.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin

I still can't imagine Bledsoe passing on $48M ... smh

Until this statement by Bledsoe, I would have agreed that he wouldn't be stupid enough to take the the QO, but now, after the statement, he may very well be.

Either way, I'm pretty much done with him. I liked his defense, but disliked how he ran the team, and his demeanor towards the team.

I still can't believe he hasn't made another statement, explaining what he said and meant. At this point, he should be saying that he really wants to return to PHX and lead them to the playoffs. The longer this drags out, with only that stupid statement out there, the more he looks like an ignorant arse.

But in no way should we raise the offer to him.

RunDogGun · Post #856 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:37 pm

bigfoot wrote:If Blesode chooses to take the qualifying offer the Suns would be stupid to put him on the floor next season. It's not a matter of getting even with Bledsoe or killing his value as a 2015 UFA ... he would be telling us he doesn't want to be part of the Suns long term plans. In that case we absolutely need to develop Goodwin and Ennis.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin

I still can't imagine Bledsoe passing on $48M ... smh

I think Green would get the extra minutes at the two spot, and Warren would get more at the three in that case. Goodwin still doesn't look ready yet.

jcsunsfan · Post #857 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:39 pm

It is also very possible that once word spread about the 4/48 offer (which other GM's probably knew about before it was out in the news, because Eric's agent would have been using it in negotiations) no team gave him an offer because no one was going to beat it. Its like an auction with a high opening bid. Everyone just moves on.

JDLAW · Post #858 » by **JDLAW** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:50 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Sources close to the Suns have said privately they expected Bledsoe back either on a new deal or after he signs the qualifying offer they issued worth just over $6.56 million. Basketball Insiders

Sources say there continues to be ongoing dialogue towards a deal and there is some sense that the Suns might increase their offer slightly; there has also been talk that Bledsoe’s camp might agree to a short-term deal that gets Bledsoe into free agency again inside the next three seasons. Basketball Insiders
Phoenix Suns, Free Agency, Eric Bledsoe

- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.kKKT2JZm.dpuf

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The QO is not $6.56M - that is the cap hold. The QO is $3.7M.

You need to take Steve Kyler and his "basketball insiders" with a large grain of NaCl. He is opinionated but seldom knowledgable. He certainly is not an insider.

BobbieL · Post #859 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:59 pm

JDLAW wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Sources close to the Suns have said privately they expected Bledsoe back either on a new deal or after he signs the qualifying offer they issued worth just over $6.56 million. Basketball Insiders

Sources say there continues to be ongoing dialogue towards a deal and there is some sense that the Suns might increase their offer slightly; there has also been talk that Bledsoe’s camp might agree to a short-term deal that gets Bledsoe into free agency again inside the next three seasons. Basketball Insiders
Phoenix Suns, Free Agency, Eric Bledsoe

- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.kKKT2JZm.dpuf

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The QO is not $6.56M - that is the cap hold. The QO is $3.7M.

You need to take Steve Kyler and his "basketball insiders" with a large grain of NaCl. He is opinionated but seldom knowledgable. He certainly is not an insider.

Bledsoe has the right to explore every team to see if they will pay him what he wants

But, that being said, he needs to remove the 5/84 from his mind. Just because Kyrie got it - doesn't mean there is a demand. Meaning, Carmelo had offers from other teams that the Knicks had to match or exceed. So, Carmelo had leverage

Bledsoe doesn't. The Suns know the max they will pay Bledsoe is 4/63. And that offer is not coming. Or it doesn't seem to be coming.

Also, this idea that the Suns are using the RFA is utter bull crap. The Suns made an offer based on Lowery. The Bledsoe camp counter offered. Until another team comes into the mix - its Bledsoes call. Does he want the QO or does he want- I am guessing 50m. His choice.

wordsenuff · Post #860 » by **wordsenuff** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:08 pm

carey wrote:
wordsenuff wrote:found this on Sheridanhoops.

Sheridan is a hack. Please don't post that garbage here. The fact that Dan Bickley thinks Sheridan broke the LeBron to Cleveland decision is just... ridiculous. No one that isn't a personal friend of Sheridan would say that.

just sharing something i came across. didn't realize it would upset people.